posted on March 28, 2001 03:24:52 PM new
BidBay Suspends Nanabees and deletes post!! CAN YA IMAGINE THAT???
TO VIEW MY BIDBAY POST IN ITS ENTIRETY...VISIT MY WEBSITE
http://www.nanabees.com
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A "formal warning" was issued today against a BidBay Power Seller, who suggested BB observe another site, that might help to make BB a better place.
This seller has supported and defended BidBay numerous times and taken alot of heat from this site as well, all in the name of BidBay.
And...the post was to HELP Bidbay...not advertise the other site, most sites would say," Thank You!", NOT BidBay, they decided to slap this seller in the face, so-to-speak, by issuing a formal warning. Imagine that!!!! Being punished for trying to help out! BidBay not only mistreats outsiders...they mistreat their own too!!!
Recently AG2 visited with BB and came back stating that great changes would be made to try and give BidBay a better face forward for the auction community. Well I for one, am not noticing these "positive" changes.
I've noticed that BidBay does not give information requested by shop owners, who are understandably concerned about the new fees coming up...those shops are costly. I've noticed also, that those owners do not appear to be very important to this site any longer, and their items do not even show up in a search. No wonder some shops are up for sale.
I've noticed a lot of energy put out on gimmicks instead of on major site improvements in the technical arena, where they are very much needed.
There have been quite a few instances lately, where I see that loyal users are being treated in an inappropriate manner.
I certainly want no part in a company who chooses to treat their best and loyal users with such disdain or disrespect, whether or not they have complained about it or even noticed it. ___________________________________________
The above comments, are paraphrased(to be allowed here)from a post I made today at BidBay. Of course that post is now history. But I made a promise in that post, that if it were removed, I would post a similar one here and consider placing the post on the front page of my website. So....the post has been made here, as promised. For those who wish to see my BidBay post in its entirety, feel free to visit my website where the first thing you should notice, is a link to the post I made(in its entirety).
I will add(in hopes of ALL viewing to be made aware), I have received emails TODAY from sellers who are leaving BidBay. This was NOT due to me, but this was possibly that legendary "Straw".
To all my friends who remain at BidBay....much success. I harbor no ill will towards any of the users there, in fact, it was with the users in mind, that I decided to speak my peace. However, my chat ID/Account HAS been suspended and I will no longer be allowed to chat with you there. Feel free to email anytime...or visit me at LowestBids to chat anytime!!!! You are welcome there even if you sell somewhere else. And you all know....I never "start" trouble. I was just speaking the truth and venting a little disgust over the current events.
You say that is the post in it's entirety but it is not. I have watched boards everywhere and just happen to have read your thread and there were other responses in that thread. What happened to those? How is someone suppose to judge something when all details are left out.
posted on March 28, 2001 03:41:18 PM new
That is my post in its entirety.
A user asked me to email her the name of the site I am at.(can't put the user name here)
I said sure and glad to see ya.
When I went back....the thread was gone. There was nothing else for me to copy.
I copied what I originally posted, when I posted it, cuz I figured it would get deleted.
There was no answer to me from the staff or CEO.....If you saw a response from any staff or the CEO, PLEASE........I'd like to know. In a matter of 5 minutes, I was suspended and the post removed.
So........what did ya see???? Can ya tell us????? I'd sure LOVE to know.
Wendy
edited to add: I am not being sarcastic here, I'd really like to know...cuz I never got to see any other posts to that thread. Just mine and the user who wanted me to email the addy of the auction site I'm using.
I saw no more than what you just wrote above. However, doesn't BB ususally post in the thread that they are going to suspend you? I would have thought it took more than what you wrote to suspend someone.
One thing though I notice, people don't always tell the truth to people. Then there are those who come to do battle in defense of someone only to find out later that they did not have all the information. Seen it happen many many times.
I certainly won't go on just what people would tell me privately in emails. How do I know it is the whole story?
posted on March 28, 2001 04:01:29 PM new
I understand what you are saying. And I'm not asking anyone to "judge". Just letting all know that Nanabees Chat privileges are gone along with the thread/post.
I can only report what happened. I posted. The user posted. I responded. Then the post was gone. The only way I found out I was suspended was: I posted a message about my deleted thread, and when I went to enter it, a message came up that said: Your ID Account privileges are suspended...you are not allowed to post on the chats...you may still buy and sell.(can't remember the exact words)
That's it. No email notification as of yet. In the past, I've seen the moderators post within a thread, that someone's privileges are suspended or they are formally warned, but that is when the thread STAYS. If the thread is deleted, why put a message in it???? No one would be able to see it if it's gone.
They wanted that gone and fast...couldn't have been more than 5 min that I left to email that user.
You of course, have no reason to believe me, but you said yourself, that you saw the thread...so I am not making that up. I posted that thread because the users at BidBay happen to be my friends!! I was stating an opinion and My friends should know that I got suspended trying to do the right thing. Which just happened to be taking up for them.
This is not a major catastrophe in MY life, but it might be a major catastrophe for BidBay. I just feel that folks at BidBay and here, should know what I said in my post/thread. Like you pointed out...that should not have gotten my privileges suspended...but it did!
posted on March 28, 2001 04:11:35 PM new
Hello Wendy!!
Sorry to hear you got suspended! However, in light of your post..I can understand why!
I read your post and was very disappointed to see you take such a stance Towards Bidbay and Specificaly GT! Your comments, which in general would have been appreciated because no one likes any member to be treated unjustly, were filled with a threatening tone and very one sided!! You proceeded to give GT an ultimatum..that if he did "A"...then you go and do "B"!!!!
That Comment was uncalled for!!! You are a member of BidBay and as such should know the consequences and the backlash of not trying to handle things in its own Home Base! You threatened to bring it somewhere else..and you have! This you have done without total consideration of its other members!
Granted, I believe Everyone should always be treated fairly and this also applies to the individual that you were so fervently defending. However, those warning were not without total merit. Instead of you writing to the Moderators and or GT regarding the incident..you chose to express yourself in a harsh and somewhat threatening manner!
No one should feel threatened and that includes GT! If someone is not happy at a site..then no one forces anyone to stay!
I was very surprised and disappointed by your comments, based on your behavior in the past!
You became a member of BidBay not too long ago..and decided not to sell for your own reasons,which. I thoroughly respect. However, If you no longer are an active member and don't know the whole story or the rules as to why Moderators or GT do certain things, then it is unwarranted for you to state what you said in that tone! This is My opinion only and mind you I have had many!!(LOL)
Good Luck & Much Success Wished To You In All Your Business Endeavors!!
posted on March 28, 2001 04:12:52 PM new
I am not saying that I don't believe you. Just was not there to see when it was removed so I thought there was more to it than what I had seen.
I don't understand much of what goes on there. To many chiefs. Everyone of late seems to be having temper tantrums and trying to get their way via threats. Don't think I would cave in to threats. They need to grow up.
Too much favoritism also seen there. Guess it could be the same people that are having the most fits. Some feel "priviliged" (spell does not count because I am lousey at it but better than most ) and thereby feel they can do and say as they wish. I guess if, and when they get more users/bidders, those on the chat boards will just be a bleep on the scope. Until then, I will continue to watch.
That's all there was to it, as far as I know. If there WAS more...I also missed it. And I'm the one who started that thread. LOL
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Itsamoomoo,
Since you are a moderator at BidBay, I don't think your observation is entirely unbiased. And no disrespect is intended by that. I did not threaten BB, I promised. And yes, I have kept that promise. I also admitted in that post, that I was upset.
The only reason that WAS a one-sided thread, was because I got no answer...and instead the thread was deleted and I was instantly suspended. Without warning of any kind of course. But then, I fully expected it...due to BB's past history of conveniently deleting stuff.
The thread I posted, was directed to the top brass, because, no matter what problems arise with a business, the top brass is the person who is ultimately responsible.
You say I'm not an active member...Hmmmmmm. I have recently posted to the chat, and have used some of my BBB's, bidding in auctions. What DOES it take to be considered active???? Or does BidBay only consider active SELLERS to be active members?
Now, you may think my "if this is deleted, I will post similar on AW and on my website" was totally uncalled for, but I'm sure that is because BB knew I'd keep my promise. I felt it only fair to let BB know what my intentions were, then the consequences of the decision would be known up front.
I think every member should be allowed to voice their opinion without fear of being "outcast", "suspended", or whatever other "fear tactic" BB decides to use. But I am not easily intimidated when my friends are being treated unfairly. And I posted, fully prepared to accept those consequences. BB knew the consequences of deleting my thread...so perhaps BB should just accept the consequences.
You assume I have not been "around". You assume incorrectly. I have been watching, AS SO MANY OTHERS, to see what changes will be implemented. And so far, I am very disappointed as are many BB sellers.
And I suppose you are genuinely shocked at this blunt and possibly harsh post by Nanabees. But...it takes a whole lot to get me to this point. I respectfully say to you...thanks for the warm wishes and they come right back at ya!
I wish all, everywhere, nothing but the best!
Wendy
PS: Please Notice...I have not referred to any member of AW that has been suspended!!
posted on March 28, 2001 05:05:51 PM new
Hello Wendy!!
Let me correct something that you have stated above! For the record, I am NOT a moderator at Bidbay! I have been though a very long time member and have seen many changes and issued addressed..not always in a very timely manner..but mind you they do get addressed. Unlike many sites that don't bother to take its members opinions to heart!
Also, I always strive to be a very fair and unbiased individual. Thus, I will not change one word of what I stated above! I read your entire original post at BidBay and was not impressed but disheartened by it!
If you had been really reading the bidbay boards in a consistent manner, you would have known that I am NOT a moderator there and that I am always very courteous and try to be helpful when I can! Also, I don't think that anyone would dare to accuse me of being unfair or biased! They certainly would be wrong!
Nonetheless, I do wish you luck!
Also, yoou can verify the fact that that I am not a Moderator very easily with any long time member of BidBay or the PTB!!!
I went to your site and read the post in its entirety and it's not what you mentioned here. You said you posted to someone about the other site and the post on your webpage is far from that.
I can understand your frustrations. I've asked in e-mail what the difference was between her formal warning and the person that posted hateful things about me getting a tap on the wrist. I've never received an explanation. I guess it's up to the particular moderator and the moderators decided I wasn't important enough, since I don't list auctions at this time. Never mind, I've listed and I've bid, but no auctions now = no opinions.
As Lil stated, "However, If you no longer are an active member and don't know the whole story or the rules as to why Moderators or GT do certain things, then it is unwarranted for you to state...." Why is someone not considered not to know the rules or the story (which was posted ad nauseaum on the boards, post after post)just because they're not totally active? I know the rules of ebay, yet am not totally active, however, I'm still a registered user and if I have questions or complaints, I can post them on any board. I may not get an answer, but I'm allowed to post!
I've been told by an individual that one person is very loyal to BidBay, has never waivered from that stance and lists a lot of auctions, therefore, this person is wonderful. I would imagine that this person is entitled to abuse others because of that.(This person is not involved in the Floridaborn threads)
As Lil said, no one should feel threatened, but I certainly have on many occasions.
I was also told that because I post here, I'm pond scum (in not so many words) UGH! I say with friends like that, who needs enemies? Why dictate where people post? What's the purpose? If I want to tell someone my opinion of a site, I should be allowed to do it here without fear of reprisal.
Good luck with your new site. I wish you all the best and know that what you spoke was from the heart and it's a shame people can't speak out, when the motto there seems to be, the CEO listens to everyone. This is not against him as a person, nor as the CEO, this is basically for the right to have an opinion, no matter what it is.
posted on March 28, 2001 05:30:24 PM new
Itsamoomoo,
MY DEEPEST APOLOGIES...I am so sorry...I truly thought you were a moderator. I cannot apologize enough for that mistake. Please forgive.
edited to add: The reason I thought you were, is: I MISREAD THE NAME YOU SIGNED, not because I lied about being at BB chats!! I made a goof...misread...very sorry!! I am human too! Never claimed to be perfect!
MtnMama,
My post/thread that I originally started is what I refer to as being posted on my website. That is what I said I would do if it were deleted. No message was posted from any staff or top brass. Within 5 min, it was gone and so was I(lol).
I did not copy the thread when I went back there. But the only response I saw was from a member requesting the addy and I just answered with ok...great to see ya.
I don't think I'd be allowed to put their ID on here. And it really doesn't add to or take away from the incident. Sorry if I wasn't clear.
Anyway....good to see you. I always enjoy reading your posts. They are honest and what I call "fair-minded". I have been watching and reading alot. And I too find that an amount of favoritism is present at BB...among other things. I'm just sad that many of our "mutual" friends are being mistreated.
posted on March 28, 2001 05:39:30 PM new
Hi Lynn!!
I, personally don't believe that if you are not an active member that you are not entitled to an opinion. I value and welcome everyone's opinion and have never shown differently!
What I meant above about Wendy..is that she has not been around BidBay as of late and doesn't know the whole story behind that individual getting the formal warnings! She should have done a little research before posting her comments!
I certainly can understand standing up for someone who one believes is being treated unfairly! I have done it many times on BidBay myself. Also, I have been known to be an equal oportunity offender as well as defender to the chagrin of many probably! But, I am always fair and do not post in a threatening tone either!
If I ever posted in such a manner on BidBay, it would also warrent for me to get suspended..and I should know why it happened!
It is a shame that Wendy is suspended from Chat at BidBay, because she did contribute thoughtfully at times for the benefit of all! However, this is not what was occurring in her recent and last post on BidBay! A real shame!!!
I have to admit, when I read that you thought Lil was a moderator, my jaw dropped to the ground. I didn't think she was, but I thought you knew something I didn't.
Thanks for appreciating what I try to say. It's hard to put into words what you're trying to convey without people getting bent out of shape and accusing you of being everything but what you are.
I think in light of what's gone on over there for the past few months, there have been some good changes. The moderators are trying to please everyone. People complained when their posts are deleted, people complained when posts are allowed to stay. I think it's gotten to the point where they don't even know what to do anymore.
Everyone there is too darn sensitive, IMO. They need to go over to ebay's chats at night and get really scared. LOL!
They think that if someone is unhappy with a site for a particular reason, they should leave. Now, how is that going to build a site's reputation. Joe Schmoe (I hope no one has that name) says, "oh I left them because I was unhappy and they told me to leave." A good business tries to keep the customers happy no matter what. Customer service is a big entity in online auctions and if it's not good or they chase people away with their own reasons then they're headed down the wrong road.
Have a nice night. I've got tons of things to do and it's late.
edited for a p.s. to Lil, I know you! LOL! You don't ever have to explain your thinking to me.
posted on March 28, 2001 05:49:42 PM new
nanabees,
Whoever you are. You're paid by another auction site to spam sites and bring members (must I say who they are). Please correct me if you're not paid. Stop acting like a sweatie. I've followed your posts. I'm new here, and you know me.
posted on March 28, 2001 05:56:33 PM new
Itsamoomoo,
I have been following the posts at BB and am aware of the previous incident with that seller that you are referring to. I don't think however, that you or anyone else is capable of knowing what is in my knowledge base.
As I have stated, I have noticed a number of sellers being treated with disrespect or disdain. And also have read some posts BEFORE they were conveniently deleted.
I had hoped that BB would improve by leaps and bounds, if for no other reason, to see my friends there succeed. It is apparent to me that BB is the same ole BB, with deleted posts, favoritism, the same associations remaining in the top slots of the corporation, and the gimmicks continuing, while needed improvements in the technical arena are not being tended to.
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Hope you both have a great night. And I really apologize Itsamoomoo, for reading your signature wrong...the BidBayer in front kinda threw me...I read it as something else entirely. And I am sorry about it. Much success to you.
posted on March 28, 2001 06:04:55 PM new
Hya Sourpuss!
You know I'm not paid by any other auction site. So, why would ya want to go and try to make people think that?
I've only stated it here and elsewhere about a gazillion times....but.....here it is again, just for you.
I do not work for any auction site. I do not receive any compensation for my posts on any chat board. I am my own person, quite capable of having a thought that is my very own.
Ok...happy?
Seriously now....I've missed chatting with you! Where have you been hiding? Hope you are doing ok. Was worried about ya!
posted on March 28, 2001 06:07:39 PM new
Hello sourpuss2001,
I see you've just registered her on AW. Welcome to this wonderful place where you can voice your opinions as long as you don't insult another member, as per the Community Guidelines.
You've made a terrible accusation against Nanabees. Can you prove she's being paid by another site? If so, you have to send your proof to the AW moderators so they can determine the best action to take. If not, please don't insult another member of this forum especially on her own thread.
BTW, you're sourpuss2001 here and everywhere. If you have a good site that you like, you're welcome to post in my thread further down this page. Everyone is telling which site they like and why. Do you have a site you like?
posted on March 28, 2001 06:12:31 PM new
it was said" Joe Schmoe (I hope no one has that name) says, "oh I left
them because I was unhappy and they told me to leave." A good business tries to keep the customers
happy no matter what. Customer service is a big entity in online auctions and if it's not good or they
chase people away with their own reasons then they're headed down the wrong road. ".
It has been my experience that even the CEO has siad to people "If you don't like it here, then leave!"
I tell you anyone who does not follow their "occultish" ways is out. I too have known of folks suspended with NO notice at all.
Sourpuss are you a bidbay soothsayer who just signed on to AW today to cause trouble?
Nannabess, you tried to leave Bidbay gracefully when the stolen templates issue came up. Maybe you should have just been bold then and said "I want no part of it" instead of the "Lowestbids made me an offer I couldn't refuse". This statement has placed doubt in the minds of all and thats why they think you are an employee.
On the otherhand, Myself? I have great respect for Nanabees and zippo for Bidbay.
posted on March 28, 2001 06:17:00 PM new
sourpuss2001, you are insulting to everyone tonight. I think jtw is right, you signed up just to troll this thread.
Moderator, if you're out there, please ask this person not to keep insulting people.
Wendy, if you do know this person, I apologize. I don't know who it is and this person does not list on BidBay, has never listed there as far as their search is concerned.
You are correct. Looks like SourPuss2001 may have to leave soon.
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Hya Gottaknow88,
Good to see ya!
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SourPuss2001,
Everyone here most likely knows that I was an active seller on BidBay and left...now I sell on LowestBids. I've also sold at many other sites while searching for the "right" place. I still have friends at BidBay tho...and I do care about them. And I do enjoy selling at LowestBids, and have never claimed otherwise. So...what are you talking about exactly. I am not "playing dum" as you said. This thread is about Nanabees being suspended from Chat privileges on BidBay....are you in the correct thread?
Love and kisses
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jtw74,
You are probably right...there apparently was no "classy" way to exit without causing all the doubt. I tried tho. And have since told all who would "listen", that I'm not an employee. Oh well, ya can't please 'em all. Great to see ya! Thanks for the vote of confidence.
My heart IS in the right place no matter what anyone else thinks.
posted on March 28, 2001 06:27:05 PM new
nanabees,
taken from above post by jtw74 "Maybe you should have just been bold then and said "I want no part of it" instead of the "Lowestbids made me an offer I couldn't refuse"."
Actually, I'm just being nice! I have no clue who SourPuss2001 is...I do wonder tho, if he is kin to our friend...what was his name......Poco...oops, couldn't say it if I wanted to. Think he's still suspended.
posted on March 28, 2001 06:31:46 PM new
Well, you know what they say there, if you have to announce you're leaving, you were never there anyway.
Makes no sense, but they think it does.
JTW, yeah, I've seen the PTB say that to people and I don't agree with that policy. It's not the way to promote business to the site.
I think they have potential, but I'm a nonentity there, since I have no auctions listed I don't count, my opinions don't count and I'm told I bash BidBay here which I don't, so let them believe all they want in the tooth fairy. The proof is in the money earned. If no one earns money, why auction?
I've seen people say they do it for fun, but honestly, there are so much more fun things to do in life. People do it for money and nothing else, when it comes right down to it.
Money talks, no money, sellers walk. No sellers, no bidders. A vicious cycle.
posted on March 28, 2001 06:35:38 PM new
SourPuss2001,
No lies here........I did receive an offer/incentive to go to LowestBids, and it came at the same time I decided it was best for Nanabees to leave BidBay. I stated my reasons for leaving BidBay to be both the great offer AND due to a conversation I had with the top brass and the SEC filing of BidBay. I just didn't get into it any further than that.
Anything else you are unclear about? And why exactly are you being so accusatory of me/Nanabees?
posted on March 28, 2001 06:36:18 PM new
Sourpuss2001, apologies accepted, but you may have a point..insanity is hereditary they say, I got mine from my kids.
Again, if you don't have proof that Nanabees is on someone's payroll, surely you shouldn't be posting remarks like that. Don't you agree?
I don't think he's an employee of BidBay. They're not going to come here and make unjust accusations against anyone. It's not their way. However, a user .. ??
posted on March 28, 2001 06:43:52 PM new
Thanks Pat, but I think keeping this thread going may be a good idea. It helps to have some insight on what's going on.
) and thereby feel they can do and say as they wish. I guess if, and when they get more users/bidders, those on the chat boards will just be a bleep on the scope. Until then, I will continue to watch.