posted on December 27, 2000 12:01:28 PM new
I just tried to bulk upload a collection to yahoo auctions, and it is showing a $0.50 charge for each listing. I can't find anything about the charge on the yahoo site. These auctions were not featured..
posted on December 27, 2000 12:56:53 PM new
Did you put the Gift Icon on? That'd be 50 cents per item.. I just listed something as a test and got no fee charged that I can see.
posted on December 27, 2000 01:43:22 PM new
There was no gift icon. It is only doing it when using the bulk loading tool. There still is no charge for listing single items or relist.
posted on December 27, 2000 08:37:26 PM new
My guess as well is that some how you are being charged for one of yahoo features when you use there bulk loader check and be sure one or more are not some how being marked by default. http://www.Dman-N-Company.com
posted on December 28, 2000 01:04:50 AM new
This is excerpt from TAG NOTES about auctions:
Yahoo Auctions appears to be preparing to charge fees. Today a Yahoo
Auction user was doing a bulk upload when a fee summary came up
charging 50 cents for every item listed regardless of starting price.
There was no information anywhere on Yahoo about these new fees, in fact
the Bulk Lister page still specifically stated listing was free. TAG
theorized that that Yahoo was working on the upcoming change and did not
realize it was "live". The user called Yahoo Billing and was told that
Yahoo engineering was working on the system, and the charges would be
removed, but they probably would be charging fees but did not have a
exact date. It looks as if they are planning on charging listing fees in
the very near future.
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to update it on 27 Dec through 26 Dec, but as of this printing it was
current through 25 Dec . Completed items can also be found by item
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ebaY users reported being defrauded by a couple of ebaY sellers to
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ebaY claims that this information is being used to defraud buyers,
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about off ebaY sales.
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sale can be informed about them. Sellers should also link to a web page
or online shop where they have other items for sale. TAG does not
believe sellers should SPAM their customers, but we also believe that
the bidders generated by the sellers auctions are the SELLERS customers,
bought and paid for by the placing of the auction, and payment of the
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the ad called and bought something from you, neither should ebaY feel
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auction ad. In addition it is impossible to police this kind of
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4.075 Mil auctions listed inflated by a percentage of double category
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Yahoo Auctions appears to be preparing to charge fees. Today a Yahoo
Auction user was doing a bulk upload when a fee summary came up
charging 50 cents for every item listed regardless of starting price.
There was no information anywhere on Yahoo about these new fees, in fact
the Bulk Lister page still specifically stated listing was free. TAG
theorized that that Yahoo was working on the upcoming change and did not
realize it was "live". The user called Yahoo Billing and was told that
Yahoo engineering was working on the system, and the charges would be
removed, but they probably would be charging fees but did not have a
exact date. It looks as if they are planning on charging listing fees in
the very near future.
Yahoo has added a new search feature allowing search for auctions
that have already met reserve or that have no reserve.
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The Marketplace must be working because the Authors Guild is
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http://auctions.amazon.com
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posted on December 28, 2000 03:39:24 AM new
I'll gladly pay 'em fees if we can have time-ending auctions back. If not, I doubt I'll be listing much more on Yahoo until ebay starts crashing again.
posted on December 28, 2000 04:25:57 AM new
Well, after uploading my auctions, I also noticed on my screen: You will be charged $20.00 for these auctions. But it did not show up as a billed expense in "my wallet".
This sucks!!! I don't want to be charged for auctions!!! This would be twice as expensive as ebay with much less traffic. If they go through with this, I might as well go back to ebay.
posted on December 28, 2000 05:07:54 AM new
I don't really think Yahoo can justify charging 50 cents a listing just for using the bulk loader. Ebay charges half that, and I believe you get many more hits/bids than Yahoo.
Let's just hope that the charge was a temporary glitch or something. I'm not paying 50 cents for a listing on Yahoo even if they do fix the listing order. I hope TAG is jumping to conclusions. I *hope*.
posted on December 28, 2000 06:48:12 AM new
Well, I can't see an across the board fee of $.50 would work on Yahoo, since that would make it more costly than eBay. Of course it would immediately get rid of many of the Spam sellers who post the same widget in every conceivable category that Yahoo has....
“IF” there is a charge, I would "think" it would be attached to the bulk loader, since that is most likely where the preponderance of Spam items are posted from.
I think that such a charge for the bulk loader might eliminate all the endless, duplicate items by the same seller on Yahoo.
I don't use their bulk loader, so it would have no effect on me - I would imagine IF this be true that it would also start being applied to those loading through systems like AW Manager, Go-TO, and such, all similar bulk loading systems.
Guess those using such systems will have to keep an eye on this.
posted on December 28, 2000 08:16:51 AM new
I too will not pay fifty cents an auction on YAHOO, even if they change it back to auctions ending on top, which I would really love to see return.
If it is fifty cents per auction, they are charging the $.25 that ebay charges plus the $.25 for gallery that ebay charges. Since the gallery is already there for all YAHOO auctions, that would make $.50.
They need to go back to the drawing board.
I would rather pay a flat fee, as in Amazon, rather than by the auction, and in return, for YAHOO to allow continuous running of item until it sells. I hate the time and energy it takes to relist every 2 times.
I would not object at all to fees for YAHOO auctions - particularly for bulk loaders - that permits folks to list SPAM type items.
I like to think that items are special enough to be listed one at a time or not listed.
JMHO
[ edited by watafind on Dec 28, 2000 08:18 AM ]
posted on December 28, 2000 09:53:53 AM new
I called yahoo at the number that they provided with the "charge for this auction listing" message I received this morning. 408-530-5151 They told me, that they have no idea about the charges. Only the featured option is supposed to cost any money, nothing else.
If it should show up in "my wallet" as a charge, I should call back and they would remove the charge.
Sure hope so, otherwise I already spent over $50.00 on bulkloaded auctions!!!! All the free listings from ebay that did not sell, are back up at yahoo.
The accounting department is getting in touch with the department that's responsible for the updating to remove this glitch.
Hope they get it fixed fast. I'm getting uncomfortable listing anything else, with this "We will charge $$$$ for this listing" message popping up all the time.
Give Yahoo a call and put some heat behind this, so they fix it a little faster!!!
Heike
heikejohn everywhere else!
posted on December 28, 2000 10:06:14 AM new
The charges are still showing up on the bulk listing today, and also if you click on the billing summary, it is showing a $0.50 per item charge regardless of the cost of the item. The charge however is not showing on the account page. I spoke with Jenny of the billing dept at yahoo, who said any charges would be removed. Looks like a preview of things to come..
posted on December 28, 2000 10:39:43 AM new
Looks like they are still working on the system. Now when you click on "preview billing summary" instead of showing the page where it is showing a $0.50 per item charge, this is coming up:
Help
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Proxy Error
The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server.
The proxy server could not handle the request GET /batch/billingsummary.
posted on December 28, 2000 10:51:13 AM new
Over on the Seller Zone board on Yahoo, one of the members has spoken to the engineers at Yahoo. Seems it is a mistake...it is levying a gift icon fee to each listing.
posted on December 28, 2000 11:34:55 AM new
The Gift Icon glitch seems a reasonable explaination and I hope this turns out to be the cause.
In a longer time frame YAHOO may have to consider all possible income sources in view of the decline in online advertising revenue.
I would prefer continued free auction listings and improved service but I realize that the auction traffic may not justify these services if the advertising trends fall.
YAHOO stock price has fallen to the level that talk is circulating about eBay buying YAHOO. If you think a fee is a bad idea just consider that possibility.
If fees have to be charged I hope YAHOO will consider charging FVF. We would both then be working together for the same goal of making sales.
Their sharing in the profits of increased productivity and having additional resources to improve the marketplace could be a win/win situation.
I'm not sure YAHOO realizes the extent of seller support they would receive if they truely encouraged a fair and potentially profitable expanding marketplace.
We all accept that spending money to make money is at the core of our business and I would gladly pay YAHOO fees if it was a reasonable portion of increased profits.
Free is good but quality service for a fair fee is often a better value.
posted on December 28, 2000 11:39:28 AM new
In that regard, I'm with you Ray. I can't justify a listing fee on Yahoo to myself, but I could see the benefits of an FVF.
posted on December 28, 2000 12:06:36 PM new
I sure wouldnt ever concider paying a fee to list on yahoo at all bulk list or other wise I have list there over a year and some items listed there I have had listed off and on over a year some are just getting bids now.
There are to many other lower cost alternatives right now out there AUXpal has nearly 70 thousand listings and I see more bids there daily then I seen on golds or bid bay in all the time they been around.
Ebay would be lower cost then .50 per listing and I have a pretty good sell thru rate there.
With the new listing order on yahoo its not worth paying a cent to sell there I dont even pay to feature no more I found my self boosting items on ebay to pay for yahoo feature costs not much good business sence in that.
Since the listing on yahoo is rateing based might be we will have to stoop to buying feed back like others on yahoo.
I see seller who registered weeks ago with a few hundered feed back from buying.
posted on December 28, 2000 01:16:12 PM new
I also would agree to a modest FVF on those auctions that sold - Yahoo is the only site I can dump my non-foil Pokemon cards - they aren't worth the 25 cent listing fee Ebay has (except for on Free Listing Days, of course.. *grin)
posted on December 28, 2000 02:08:53 PM new
a quater Item isnt worth listing even free once you start looking at paying fees you need to make a total on each sale includeing shipping and handleing of $6.00 just to break even on ebay with all the fees sellers pay these days.after jan 7 this will need to be pushed up as $6.00 will hardly cover the shipping insurance and delivery comfirmation.
There is listing fee, FVF, billpoint or paypal fees , if you print your own postage there is fees for that each sale must cover a part of ISP fees and supplys for boxes and packageing and your time.
even if you sell free of listing and FVF fees you need to make a min of $4.00 to $4.50 to cover the costs of running the sales. and as of jan 7 this $4.50 will be pushed up as this wont cover even the postage insurance and delivery comfirmation any more.
I call .25 cent auction items change builders I might add a few because one auction links to he next and they might build trafic to my other items. http://www.Dman-N-Company.com
posted on December 28, 2000 04:21:15 PM new
Grrrrr NO FEES!
Yahoo cannot justify ANY fees at this time! PERIOD! Get some buyers and fix that dam listing order on Yahoo and then think about it. This is not the time to even be contemplating fees! Grrrrrr.......
posted on December 28, 2000 04:50:20 PM new
And somebody needs to "edit" and FIX this broken thread. 15" monitor and I have to scroll from side to side to read anything.
posted on December 28, 2000 05:47:35 PM new
Geeezz. Can't you see that this is just a glitch? There is no way Yahoo is going to start charging for all listings any time soon.
And if and when the ever do, it will not be a flat charge of 50 cents per item.
Yahoo's bulk loader works on a comma delimited file. If you've ever worked with these files, you know how easy it is to get a comma out of place, and the havoc this can cause. That was clearly the case here. It was charging a gift icon charge for every auction.
posted on December 29, 2000 06:34:15 AM new
Before I would pay a listing fee OR FVF on Yahoo, they would have to get better control of their Non-Paying Bidders! I have had so many deadbeat buyers on Yahoo. It seems that everyone who buys from me on Yahoo never pays for their item.
NO FEES!
