helnjoe
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posted on January 7, 2001 12:26:08 PM new
I would like to see the face of the person who first made this suggestion about charging listing fees. (S)he must be stand in sweat up to his (her) Yahzoo.
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dman3
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posted on January 7, 2001 12:34:10 PM new
I was wondering about this person myself seems to me they would want to be here shouting priases of yahoo.
And braging about how much $$$ they are investing to sell Item that they scheduled to launch after the 10th.
http://www.Dman-N-Company.com
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helnjoe
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posted on January 7, 2001 12:36:35 PM new
Maybe we should chip in and send flowers; or better yet, a food basket. 
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hmngbrd
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posted on January 7, 2001 12:40:42 PM new
hlnjoe...how'ed you do smiley????? is it <smiley> or smiley or whatever....pls...
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helnjoe
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posted on January 7, 2001 12:50:11 PM new
Go to the very bottom of this page and click the "site search" then type in : smilies and check search message boards also, and it will give them all to you.
To do this smilie: hit your bracket key, type "big grin" and then bracket close key. Do NOT type in the "" marks.
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CAgrrl
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posted on January 7, 2001 05:04:06 PM new
There are a lot of people who were in favor of final value fees. I am personally one of them. I understand that yahoo HAS TO make money. I don't mind paying a fair price for a the service I recieve. Because I want to have Yahoo as an option!! Wouldn't you rather have the option of having this site to list on, rather than having it fold completely due to lack of funds?
My reasoning in wanting FVF is simple. I have to pay Yahoo to feature each item I list in order to sell it, because of the stupid jumbled listing order. My items don't get pageviews at all, let alone bids, unless I feature now. Featuring makes it a lot more likely that I will sell my item, but it is no guarantee that I will. So I'm paying $1.00 or more to feature each item JUST TO HAVE IT SEEN IN THE FIRST PLACE. I think it would be preferable to pay listing or final value fees rather than having to feature each item. Of course for me to have my way, the listing order would have to go back to normal. Which it won't.
So yes, I wanted fees. But I wanted realistic fees. What they have done is not too realistic in my opinion. It won't help the cause the way they've set things up, and they may well fold anyway because of it.
Sweating? No. you must be joking! Yahoo does what they want to do regardless of what we ask for or don't ask for. IF you don't like what they have done nobody is forcing you to stay.
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dimview
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posted on January 7, 2001 05:51:22 PM new
Sure, Yahoo! has to make money, but I think they are using auction sellers as the "test case" to see if they can pull it off. If they succeed, watch for everyone to pay for whatever they are using at their portal website. Your @yahoo.com web-based e-mail. Pay for it. Click to get a stock quote or stock chart at Yahoo!Finance. Pay for it. Etc. Etc. Etc.
That's a difficult thing to do, particularly when there's alternatives.
Must be tired of all this. Now missing words. 
[ edited by dimview on Jan 7, 2001 05:55 PM ]
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forshoppin
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posted on January 7, 2001 05:58:43 PM new
I don't think they are sweating. They still think this is a grand idea. They still believe that when all the riffraff has left their site they will be left standing with a baby eBay and will nurture it to #1. They haven't heard anything we have said and figure that because we are talking back we are the riffraff they wish to get rid of. What they don't get is that eBay and Yahoo work together. I don't know how many people who sell on eBay sell on Yahoo but the numbers are great. You sell the quick moving stuff on eBay - it has the bidder base. You sell the slower, looking for the right buyer stuff on Yahoo. Together they made a great place to shop. But they are still patting (s)he on the back thinking they are smart. The chats proved that.
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helnjoe
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posted on January 7, 2001 05:59:37 PM new
Of course I was being somewhat facetious.
But somebody along the line had to first say the words out loud and if this turns around to bite them in butt I wouldn't want to be that person. There is always a fall guy (girl).
And, yes, I would rather stay with Yahoo as opposed to start with an unknown entity and having to learn their little peccadilloes all over again.
Now it is all up to Yahoo to stand up and say they made a mistake and work out something that would benefit both Yahoo and sellers. Will they do that? I doubt it.
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jwpc
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posted on January 7, 2001 06:02:39 PM new
forshoppin
eBay is also cluttered with trash, spam, etc., listing fees don't seem to keep that off of a site. Will be interesting to see what happens...
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dman3
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posted on January 7, 2001 06:58:16 PM new
Sure I would rather have yahoo around to list on but the point was yahoo is and was far from starveing from a lack of income.
They were already makeing money on there Auctions big time then they had the feed back promotion and tons of people got hunders some thousands of dollars in listing there income from auctions drop off after 60% of the people listing were featureing and Not haveing to pay them.
They gave more then likely gave more then a few million in credits away to users new and old.
about a month and a half after there feed back credit is in full swing they decide they need more income.
http://www.Dman-N-Company.com
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forshoppin
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posted on January 7, 2001 07:02:29 PM new
I think that's called GREEDY, GREEDY, GREEDY. At least it is where I come from. And if they needed a little extra for advertising, etc why not a final value fee? They could have had 10% of my $.50 and $1.00 items. I don't expect to do business for free but I would like to be able to do business!
I would even add an extra 5% if they would hire a real person to read and answer emails.
[ edited by forshoppin on Jan 7, 2001 07:05 PM ]
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pyth00n
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posted on January 7, 2001 07:15:49 PM new
Another point along these lines that occurs to me: exquisite timing by them to grant all that "Wallet Funny-Money" to Ebay users for their feedback ratings.... if anyone didn't notice, a few months ago Yahoo gave $1 credit for each Ebay FB point. I got a couple hundred myself and have been feeding them out for featured spots.
So what's gonna happen? Everybody will keep spending their Bogus Bills for a month or two until they run out. Why not? But it's as big a scam as Dot-Com stock being used to buy profitable bricks-and-mortar companies. Yahoo will point to "income" this first month or two to placate shareholders, "Look, see, our business model really works, we have $$$ on the books coming in."
Conveniently, nobody will point out Yahoo was running its own printing press creating those Wallet Dollars just like stock certs are printed....
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rolllanotherone
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posted on January 7, 2001 07:24:58 PM new
Yahoo in general Rocks! We are staying. =)=)=)=)=D=)=D=)=D=)... Ya'all....
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dimview
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posted on January 7, 2001 07:48:18 PM new
Are you using the same userID at Yahoo!Auctions, the one with no live auctions and "no closed auctions found for this user"?
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pegasus777
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posted on January 7, 2001 08:09:16 PM new
dimview:
Who are you asking???
I'm pegasus777 here and nowhere else (although I see that someone is now using that ID on Yahoo)
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dimview
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posted on January 7, 2001 08:16:00 PM new
Sorry, that was to rollanotherone. I noticed that userID also has no feedback, so I'm puzzled what "we are staying" means when there's no evidence they're there now.
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dimview
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posted on January 7, 2001 08:19:52 PM new
Back with another apology. I looked a little closer and see its rolllanotherone, not rollanotherone. Three "l's", not two.
My apologies.
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pegasus777
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posted on January 7, 2001 08:20:30 PM new
He has $8.00 bid so far on 137 items - no wonder he wants to stay on YaGREED . I guess he wants to pay it all in listing fees
(I'm Reinbeaux on Yahoo on case you wanted to know)
[ edited by pegasus777 on Jan 7, 2001 08:26 PM ]
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traceyg
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posted on January 7, 2001 08:30:38 PM new
Quite a few of the dealers I talked to this weekend at the local markets are staying with Yahoo. They compare the cost to the costs of co-ops and set up stands etc. . . and Yahoo is still a lot cheaper for them and in some ways easier. I was surprised on how many dealers that have been at it a long time are staying on Yahoo and are willing to throw a few hundred dollars into it a month based on past experience and sales on Yahoo.
I will be going down from about 300-400 to maybe about 25. The 300-400 is common household stuff (not junk) but not worth as far as profit .20 until someone buys it.
I was where you all are most of you are Friday night but after talking to the dealers I am wondering. In the short run the next 8-10 months this will affect Yahoo, but for the long run maybe for them it is the better move. I don't like it but it is business and Yahoo is a business not a person.
Yahoo does have to do something. I myself think that end of auction fees are a lot better because then they must perform better to get them. I myself would rather put the stuff on Ebay when they are so close but if they dealers are staying there will be an additional source of income for Yahoo because now there are being paid zero ofd course they will lose some of the featuring fees
I also wonder with so many new people that sign on every day to the net that in a few month the spots of the ones thate are leaving won't be filled with these new people. Not used to paying no fees so, .20 may seem cheap to them. It will be interesting to see where it all ends up a 1-3 years from now . . .
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amalgamated2000
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posted on January 7, 2001 08:43:40 PM new
Quite a few of the dealers I talked to this weekend at the local markets are staying with Yahoo.
Yes, but once the bidders start leaving due to lack of selection, and these dealers realize that they are making far fewer sales than they were when the listings were free, and far fewer sales than they would for similar fees at Ebay, how long will they stick around?
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sdobbins2
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posted on January 8, 2001 02:40:19 AM new
ROLLLANOTHERONE must be one of those infamous 'deadbeat bidders' on Yahoo. Pulling my auctions.
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traceyg
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posted on January 8, 2001 04:42:14 AM new
but once the bidders start leaving due to lack of selection, and these dealers realize that they are making far fewer sales than they were when the listings were free, and far fewer sales than they would for similar fees at Ebay, how long will they stick around?>>
I am not all that sure the bidders are going to leave. I know at lot of sellers will or like me cut down listings quite a bit. I know for myself Yahoo is usually the place I look first if I am looking for something harded to find or in the used market. I do shop at Ebay also but I know I will pay more there so I always check the other auction markets first.
My friends that shop on line and do auctions including Yahoo there first response before I even say what I think when I tell them about the change is good maybe they will get ride of some of the junk. There are a lot of people that don't go to yahoo because they get tired of weeding through all the what I call common stuff and the auctions that have a low price only to find out the reserve it to the point it is silly. Etc. . . again as a seller I am not happy about the move, but putting all name calling and that stuff aside I can see why Yahoo is doing what they are doing.
Because Yahoo has changed doesn't mean I am going to stop looking there first. If I am looking I am usually looking for things that are on the high end. That will be what will be left on Yahoo and some of the more common stuff.
I am not real thrilled about the fees, but I had a year maybe a little more of free auctions at yahoo and did okay. Just becaues Yahoo format is changing and I won't be selling at much doesn't mean I won't shop with them. I am more likely to shop more now that there won't be so much common stuff on line or low prices tag stuff (I have a good amount of stuff like that myself on Yahoo and I have profited from it)
Actually as a shopper I will be glad to see the more common things that costs less gone so I don't have to weed through them. As a seller I would prefer if they would stay the way they are.
It has been fun as they say, with Yahoo and the no fees for as long as it lasted. I don't like the way they set up the new fees and I think they are to close to Ebay's. However, it is there business to do with what they will. I made a nice profit off of yahoo and I thank them for that and I will still sell a few things there. If for no other reason to have links to my wwebsites.
Again it will be interesting to see where they are 3 years from now.
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