posted on January 19, 2002 01:46:18 PM new
Isnt it sad that eBay is charging for BIN the same yahoo charges for listings?
Yahoo
-Lower insertion and FVF
-Can pick end time free
-Can pick feedback bidders free
-Free BIN
-3 Free pictures
-Free 10 day listings
-Much better link policy
The auction sites are like volcanos. Ebay is erupting, yahoo is steaming, and bidville is dormant.
posted on January 19, 2002 10:11:17 PM new
I really hope that Yahoo comes back from the dead. It is a lot easier on seller's wallets. If they had gone to the current format last January 10th then I'm certain they would have a LOT more auctions running with a LOT more buyers and sellers.
posted on January 19, 2002 11:19:43 PM new
What is it we want, one dominating site or two so so sites? If Yahoo just builds with the members it already has across its network we could have two great sites, but Yahoo stealing buyers from ebay just is not going to have the impact we want.
posted on January 20, 2002 07:01:38 AM new
no one has the depth and variety ebay has to offer,it is a vicous circle,buyer goes where sellers are and sellers go where buyers go.
you may have all the good intention to list item at another auction or your shop and sooner or later,you just cant resist dropping it to ebay to move the item,to raise cash or both.
unfortunately,ebay bidders are not paying much ,they used to overbid,now they underbid.one person enters the opening bid,next one tops it by 50 cents.
posted on January 20, 2002 07:27:32 AM new
WOW you talk like there is actually so many people buying on ebay and its the only place where people should or could sell.
I think you need to take a closer look at the selling on ebay it dropping off bad and 90% of the sales that are there today is from other sellers.
Another thing even if you split the 35 million buyers and sellers up from ebay the results wouldnt be 2 so so auction sites it would be 2 better faster reliable servers to sell on.
THe smaller the load on a website the faster and more reliable it runs this is why over the next years you will find more and more people selling auction and store items from there own computers and companies much like ebay and yahoo just running the data bases for searches for the items and advertizeing items and sights for there modest fees.
THere wont be no need for photo hosts or managers for this type of selling there will be no investors or share holders to keep happy for the single sites.
You might think this will never happen or work but there is a fairly large group of people out there working on this System right now working on several ways that people can run ebay styal auction and like auction right from there computer with or with out running there computer as a web server.
in fact not only are there individuals out there working on this but big companies as well AOL who own ICQ Netscape and AIM ICQ has over 80 million users and has the ability already to host a personal store front or auction site even for live AUctions and direct live comunication.
Online sales, the computer industry and the internet its self need a hot new Idea and developement to get it moveing again like it was 4 years back Every 4 months there was some new technology or program for computer users.
AOL time warner is in a good spot right now the hold Cable and DSL connection to the internet AOL own ICQ they also own win amp shout cast and spinner I exspect that if they dont put these togeather for a live audio and video selling medium that some bright young group of users will beat them to it on many of the auction boards I go to there are many already discussing and working with the IDEA..
I dont know if this Idea would be the one hot new Idea but I do know that all the programs to put the idea togeather in your own computer right now are still out there free and there are companies out there like live365 out there provideing the Full time Ip for the steaming audio and video for as little as $4 a month.
posted on January 20, 2002 08:06:40 AM new
Keep in mind that yahoo and MNS are the other two companies who have the same types of technologies avalable to them.
Keep in mind That a multi billion dollar IPO or venture capital is not Nessary to make anything on the internet posiable all the sites we see on the net and selling was develope and posiable before investors even became interested.
posted on January 20, 2002 08:15:08 AM new
With ebay's average 50% sell through rate, a lot of sellers could find stuff in their inventory to sell on Yahoo for less fee, and page views are comparable to ebay. The buyer's on Yahoo don't see the quantity that ebay buyers do so your items that don't sell on ebay can sell on Yahoo.
If I know I can sell something for the same price on Yahoo than ebay, I sell it on Yahoo, so Yahoo is not just a dumping ground for unsalable ebay stuff.
Many sellers view an auction site as all or nothing so they avoid Yahoo to sell on ebay where the sell through is higher. But if they experimented they could improve their profits by moving some of the inventory to yahoo.
posted on January 20, 2002 11:34:39 AM new
hello,
i hear what you folks are saying.
if ebay is slow,other auctions sites are SLOWER.
time and time again,i tried yahoo auction and it is a waste of my time.
i know some do well on yahoo,unfortunately NOT ME.
i think the whole idea of having your own site/shop and auction would not hold much appeal from customer standpoint,say if they use a search engine to come to your shop,how are your prices,often individual shops have higher prices,worse STALE INVENTORy.worse narrow range of products.
to hop from shop to shop on the same engine search and be confronted with so many uniques rules and regulations-so called terms of sales and methods of payment is just mind boggling.
another issue is i for one will not be passing out cc info to any cyber john doe the shopowner,say i buy a widget from him for 7.95,and have no intention of returning to the shop because all he has is a few product lines ,i dont want john doe to have my cc info.
these days it seems so easy to harvest cc info and pass along to foes and friends to use for mischief and fraud.
some of these info have made their way to indonesia,nigeria ,russian,romania and DUMB ASS VISA AND MASTER CHARGE have no way of protecting shopowners when they enter an order using these cards .
i think my crystal ball sees more regulation along with internet sales tax-why should it be so easy for anyone to set up a website and accept payment ,how can it be easy to set up phony paypal and ebay alike sites to harvest passwords and cc info ??
how do we know these cybermerchants have the merchandise on hand??and whose job it is to go after these crooks who just close shops,disconnect their phones after taking your money??
do you know how many sites past xmas did not have the items to ship when customers place orders??these shops have sold their items long ago somwhere else and forgot to remove the pictures,or they think they can reorder amid the xmas rush and anthrax scarce!!
think of this everexpanding cyber retail landscape as approaching the physical retail landscape-how many of us would make big efforts everyday to climb narrow stairs and back alleys to find small obscure shops with poor selection,filthy storefront,unfriendly staff,stale and old and chipped inventory poorly presented and packed and shipped the cheapest way to save on shipping.
take AOL bigstep.com,it was free and then it charges a monthly fee,many of their sites disappear once there is a fee!!!!!!
eventually it all boils down to individual pocket book,that staying power,how many individual shops run from the garage or living room can keep paying hosting fee,cc fee etc when there is no sale.
there are 16,ooo shops on yahoo shopping,many were created after price change late last year,well,we wil see how many of these new shop will be around a year from now,may be it does not take a year,lets say 4-6 months.
ebay is not like it used to be,but you can liguidate your goods and get some cash back if you need to,if you have something decent to sell.
posted on January 20, 2002 01:31:28 PM new
Now you are just spreading the kinds of myths and unfounded fears these biger companies want to remain out there .
it keeps the fear in the minds of people and keep individuals afraid to go out and do things on there own and filling large company pockets.
Large Companies that write programs Such as anti virus and companies that sell million dollar webserver just love these types of fears running in the minds of on line users.
the less people trying on there own the more $$ they will be able to get out of the masses.
Big corporations have people so afraid of the internet they dont even use 95% of there computers own capabilities.
The internet and online selling will never grow or have many new advancements untill people start doing things again on there own all of what is out there today was developed and made not by these big companies but by individuals long before websites which are nothing but files in someones computer.
ANd give us all a break about on line store haveing limited Item and stale inventory The number one complaint of buyer and sell alike on ebay is the flooded catagories and dificulty in finding what you want in the mess key word spaming.
many as well complain ebay and other Auction sites are loseing the personel touch in there sales nothing is more personel then going to someones website and purchaseing directly from the sellers collection.
Whats been missing On the internet for so many years now and in online selling is the hands on personel touch After all even ebay started out as a personal website even used free webhosting with the banner ads and popup of the free host.
posted on January 21, 2002 08:15:14 AM new
I don't have an ebay or Yahoo store but here's where the main appeal of having one lies: Once in a blue moon I get buyers who ask me for a list of related items. Now, wouldn't it be great if I could just send them to the store, and it'd be easy for them to purchase right from it? I wouldn't use a store for any other purpose such as a means to replace my auction sales.
posted on January 21, 2002 11:32:32 AM new
quickdraw,
depends on what you sell,if it is new ,then yahoo store,if antiques and collectibles,then TIAS ,collector on line.
if books and misc items,then amzn zshops.
there are others such as msn,geocities etc.
the problem is ebay bidders just like to stay at ebay and get the best price??????and every day there is something new which individual shop just cannot match.
posted on January 21, 2002 01:46:17 PM new
Can't you simply use a third tier auction site as your store? Tell the buyer that any auction item listed there is available for purchase and to NOT bid on the item. The auction sites provide a link "to seller's other auctions" and you can use that. Most third tier auctions almost get zero bids anyway so there is little chance of any items having a bid beforehand, especially if you closely monitor the listings.
No monthly store maintenace fees, no store listing fees and no store FVFs. A tad Mickey Mouse but for free it's worth the Mickey Mouse aspect.
