posted on October 24, 2000 12:53:37 PM new
I would say the best thing to do about the "posse" is either to stop talking about them and totally ignore them, and like other seekers of power, they will wan away for lack of attention, or take our complaints to Yahoo, and keep it off this board, I think they just get their sick kicks out of all the attention, and problems they can cause.
I just got through suggesting that on the other thread. Please go to yahoo!, yes, please do. Hopefully, you will also follow, your own words. I'm sure the moderators are tiring of this subject, along with the rest of us.
To the moderators:
I will no longer make any comments on this thread. I assume jwpc will, and I can understand him having the final word. It is his thread, which he started to ignore the subject?
Lets see after that. If no one replies, will he really drop the subject? Personally, I doubt it very much.
Sorry moderators, for the redundancy of posters on this subject, Charlie
posted on October 24, 2000 06:39:24 PM new
"they will wan away for lack of attention".
Ironic you start yet another thread to address not giving them attention. They have been around for many months with no attention. From their purpose I'm sure they prefer that. I don't recall any thread on any board started by a Posse member. And I have a great memory for threads. I had to dig deep in the archives but I found one where you admitted to being a TOS violater yourself:
My comment
"SPAM is listing more than one ad for an identical item. Some sellers can't decide what category is best so they put the same ad in multiple different ones. This is absolutely NOT allowed, even if you have 10 of the item you can only run 1 ad at a time (it can be for 1 or a Dutch for a quantity)."
Your response
"Well I normally have 100 plus items listed on Yahoo, and have them listed in double categories, but categories which relate to the item, and have never had a problem....I just don't list the same item more than once in a given category."
Not only an admission but IMO a 'wink' telling others they should be able to get away with it since you do. I was trying to clear the confusion and help other sellers understand they could get in trouble & it sounded to me like you were telling them to ignore the rule.
You offered on a later thread "At best, the "posse" should only target flagrant, obvious spammers." Could it be they finally caught up with your minor double listings? So now you want us to write Yahoo to get rid of them. But it's not out of self-interest, right?
I have stated on threads that I don't care if NW or the Posse are done away with. I report violaters direct to Abuse so the issue of either doesn't concern me. Yahoo has so much less spam and non-auctions than it did a few months ago. Whoever cleaned it up has my gratitude. You don't appreciate it (for obvious reasons) so YOU write Yahoo. You might want to cancel those duplicate ads before bringing yourself to their attention.
posted on October 24, 2000 07:26:01 PM new
It's funny that these "powerseekers" happily worked in near anonymity for several months before a skirmish with an auction spammer at the SZ brought their NW activities to light!
Their "legend" has now spread through the auction boards, the stories and myths becoming more and more far-fetched with each uninformed post. Soon, "the posse" will be found responsible for World Wars I and II, the stock market crash of 29, the mysteries of Area 51 and Roswell, global warming, and any other calamity that has ever plagued the human race.
All that and they still have time to post auctions, too! Gee, I wonder if the posse is responsible for all those recent outages at eBay? Maybe it's an effort to steer frustrated eBay users over to Yahoo!
Their legend grows!
George
....and to think I knew them back when they were just auction sellers and before they became living legends!
It's easy to "knock" a program....a lot harder to come up with a BETTER solution.
posted on October 25, 2000 07:34:40 AM new
jwpc, I agree. Both granee & Charlieone are members of the possee. In my last posting I had mentioned the name of the ring leader of the possee i.e Gl*&s. (Ok this one will get canned by AW too).
What they don't know is someone has joined the possee for the purpose to getting all their information. I have names & address of 3 of the possee. Let me put it this way, if any of them even try to list, I will NW every of their auction for spite.
If you are interested in the Yahoo id's of all the possee, say so. I can't post them here because these righteous zealots will probably get AW to canned my post...
All you guys who joined the Yahoo Sellers Zone better keep yer mouth clean & use a different id because I am monitoring that zone.
[ edited by comic123 on Oct 25, 2000 08:54 AM ]
posted on October 25, 2000 07:56:51 AM new
comic123 wrote:
"What they don't know is someone has joined the possee for the purpose to getting all their information. I have names & address of 3 of the possee. Let me put it this way, if any of them even try to list, I will NW every of their auction for spite.
If you are interested in the Yahoo id's of all the possee, say so. I can't post them here because these righteous zealots will probably get AW to canned my post...
All you guys who joined the Yahoo Sellers Zone better keep yer mouth clean & use a different id because I am monitoring that zone."
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Have you organized yet comic123? I'm assuming this is a joke right?
At the risk of totally ruining the attempted humor. I'd suggest that anyone who is unhappy with the NW program should address those concerns to Yahoo and NOT become the anti-posse posse. Just a thought.
posted on October 25, 2000 08:53:57 AM new
CharlieOne, that's exactly what the possee does but the pretense of the group is to think that they are doing this for the betterment of the community.
By the way since I don't know anything or any names, what name am I repeating Mike. You say you are not part of the possee but it seems that you know the names of everyone in there & btw I thought you were going to ignore all possee posts.
posted on October 25, 2000 09:07:24 AM new
CharlieOne, since you are an expert concerning Yahoo's TOS (at least, you implied so on another thread http://auctionwatch.com/mesg/read.html?num=6&thread=5864), I'm curious about something, and I wanted to get your opinion.
You seemed to be saying (in the other thread) that you are posting with a different id than you use to sell, and that "the posse" uses different ids from their selling ids. I took a look over at Yahoo, and found this in the help pages:
Can I change my Yahoo! ID?
No, you cannot change your Yahoo! ID in Yahoo! Auctions. To protect all Yahoo! Auctions participants from fraud, buyers and sellers are prevented from registering for multiple accounts. Sellers and buyers must verify themselves by credit card and are not permitted to register with the same credit card twice.
posted on October 25, 2000 09:13:13 AM new
comic123
You made comments directed at me. You think I am not supposed to respond? You said
"jwpc, I agree. Both granee & Charlieone are members of the possee."
You are wrong, I am not a member. How many times do I have to say that? Can any of you understanding that?
Mike? Nice try. You only have a couple of million guesses left.
You complain about the NW, and yet you admit you will just NW without any violation having been made? Don't slander the names of the Posse members, saying they act like you. No way are they like you.
You show the reason why NW was started to begin with. Those who violate TOS just for "spite" of another. Those who will not do the right thing for the sake of everyone. All they care about is their own selfish goals, and not how they impact the Yahoo! community with their actions.
posted on October 25, 2000 09:25:51 AM new
Everyone,
I realize most of you feel strongly about this matter and I suggest you take a few seconds to review your words before posting. Remember, address the topic not the individiual.
posted on October 25, 2000 09:25:52 AM new
Why do anything?
Live by Yahoo's rules or any other auction service for that matter and you should not have a problem!
The main problem is allowing so many ID's so sellers can hide and still SPAM Yahoo auctions, NW and participate in these discussions without disclosing their real Auction Identities!
If one has four ID's? 4 X 1000 = 4000 auctions with the ability to list like items four times without being NW'd!
In the Sellers Zone it was mentioned that folks were getting NW'd for out of category Beanies! It seems these little guys are causing all kinds of havoc with competitive sellers!
The rest of us on Yahoo only dream of having an inkling of the categories these folks have!
The other main problem in TSZ, was the repeat listing of cd's!
I am sure many of the VENDETA NW's are from competitive sellers with MULTIPLE ID's!
Just glad I don't do beanies or cd's!
E-Bays Safe Harbor takes a concentrated effort by Sellers/Buyers to get deadbeats as well as bogus sellers removed! The only difference there is that it takes the effort of an individual who has been cheated to start the action!
One example: Person on E-Bay selling reproduction McCoy Cookie Jars as the originals! The originals would have been worth over $50,000 retail prices, but the reproductions about $6,0000 retail! This party got the boot by E-bay through the efforts of an individual who got cheated!
On the bright side I have been getting some bids and hope they are not deadbeats!
posted on October 25, 2000 09:32:09 AM newcomic123, you can NW my auctions to your heart's content, once I resume posting auctions. ( I am not anonymous, by the way!)
It won't bother me a bit! Why?? Because I don't spam, I don't list items in an inappropriate category, and I have read Yahoo's TOS in detail, so I do not violate it, either!
As has been stated many times before, Yahoo! is the one who has final say on whether an auction violates their TOS, and the final outcome of all NW "complaints". You wrongly NW anyone's auctions, consistently, I know whose user ID will be shut down by Yahoo!....yours, comic123!
Rave on!
By the way, comic123, you are incorrect, too. I have no idea who granee at AW is, but CharleyOne is definitely NOT a member of the "posse". So, I can only assume that all the other information you present has absolutely no credibility either.
George
Posse legend of the day:
I heard they were teaming up with Bill Gates to buy controlling interest in Yahoo!'s stock!
It's easy to "knock" a program....a lot harder to come up with a BETTER solution.
[ edited by gawooley on Oct 26, 2000 12:34 AM ]
posted on October 25, 2000 09:46:01 AM new
mrpotatoheadd
There you go again. Something you have no information on, at least admitting it this time, and asking for help.
Sellers who had more than one ID, yes more than one, were grandfathered in, when the 1000 limit was set. I have one I sell under. Which I might add, has over six times the positive file you have.
Nice to help out a newbie.
Your comments:
"You seemed to be saying"
"since you are an expert"
"admitted amateur on Yahoo"
"how it is"
Please get some facts before debating me. I am not fond of explaining both sides of an issue. It's like talking to myself.
posted on October 25, 2000 10:12:34 AM newWhich I might add, has over six times the positive file you have.
I guess I'll just have to take your word for that, since you don't have the courage of your convictions to make yourself known. Of course, there are those who might not be as trusting, and assume that you have something to hide, but I'm sure that's not the case.
Please get some facts before debating me.
Well, I was trying to get some facts, but you did not address my comment. In my previous post, you explained that you remain anonymous out of fear of retaliation, and yet you claim if you are doing nothing wrong, there is nothing to be concerned about. Here is the statement I made:
Based on the fact that you are hiding your identity, I have come to the conclusion that you don't really believe what you wrote (at least, as it applies to you, personally).
There seems to be a contradiction here- would you care to clarify your position?
posted on October 25, 2000 01:53:49 PM new
Well, I'll be posting auctions...soon! Whatever floats your boat, comic123! I have those abuse links at hand, thanks to Toy Ranch. Also, plenty of e-mail addresses of the PTB at Yahoo! Auctions.
George
Posse Legend of the Day:
Remember those crop circles? Yep, the posse was at fault! They are truly outstanding in their field!
It's easy to "knock" a program....a lot harder to come up with a BETTER solution.
posted on October 26, 2000 06:56:56 AM new
Dear Posse:
Before you sic NW on me again please use do a little research and try to understand that the Yahoobots aren't making things easy for us lately.
I use the Bulk Loader and have a lot of auctions: about 1500. When they came out with the 1000 auction limit they also introduced a bug in the bulk loader which prevented me from listing many items. By the time the bug got fixed, the vast majirity of my items were expired. I have about 12 lists of 100-200 items per list.
When I was able to relist using the Bulk Loader, I made one error: I relisted List #5 when it was already listed, thus creating duplicates. There is no Bulk Unloader (there should be). To kill about 150 duplicate auctions, not only would I have to do it one item at a time, but I would have to find them first. That means using key words from the title to search Yahoo and then find an auction from that list.
I figured it would take as long as 5 minutes per item times 150 items + 750 minutes. That's 12 hours work. Yahoo had caused me plenty of busy work lately. the latest is to nix some valid categories in computer games: Action and adventure. What does this do? Well, for some lazy reason, the computer won't resubmit automatically to a category they are phasing out. So when a batch of my auctions is resubmitted automatically, the ones in the deleted categoried drop out as closed. Now I have to either wait several weeks with no auction, or delete them from the list and create a new list, or resubmit them individually. All this work because they couldn't just let them resubmit automatically with the rest of the list.
Of course if I wait it out and relist them all together again, I have to change the category # but that doesn't take long and that's the way they should have done it.
Oh, am I digressing? The point is, Dear Possee, please quit NWing me for spamming. The next thing you know the yahoobots will ban me, an honest and hardworking seller who is trying to exist in what can surely be called the auction site run by foolish robots.
posted on October 26, 2000 10:20:57 PM new
Here's a first: The yahoobots got impatient and instead of letting items in the old undivded category BOOKS/AUDIO expire, they ended all of them early, and now the category is empty, having been replaced by BOOKS/AUDIO?----Fiction and Non-fiction.
So I now have a bunch more closed auctions. thank's Yahoo. It sure was important to make that change immediately. Now I have several dozen dead auctions which exist in a Bulk loader file that is running for several more weeks, and can't be relisted until they expire.
