posted on July 20, 2005 12:00:12 PM new
You've probably heard about Tom Cruise's run-in with Matt Lauer (sp) where he claimed to know more than Matt, many psychiatrists and doctors, and most people on the planet. According to Tom, you don't need medication for anything - it's all in our heads. I guess this is what Scientology teaches but I'm unclear. Does anyone here know anything about Scientology?
"I'm going to spend a lot of time on Social Security. I enjoy it. I enjoy taking on the issue. I guess, it's the Mother in me."—Guess Who? Washington D.C., April 14, 2005
posted on July 20, 2005 03:23:35 PM new
Tom's bouncing off the walls....losing it. But who cares really? He's only one of the hollywood nutcases.
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"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda."
Dumbo-the-Saudi-Running-Dog_Pander-Puss(Greece, N.Y.) May 24, 2005
posted on July 20, 2005 06:12:43 PM new
Bush won't fire anyone ever because his morals and ethics are so low that he'll never think they did anything wrong
In 2003 he said he'd take care of anyone who leaked classified info and NOW FLIP FLOP they would have to have committed a crime....ethics violations aren't that big of a deal to Bush The Low.
posted on July 20, 2005 09:45:53 PM new
Yeah, I saw him on TV and how 'he KNOWS it all' crap
That site is too funny etexbill
I like the small print at the end
Our use of the term "nuts" is meant, as defined in Webster's, as a reference to an "eccentric" person. That's all. We do not mean to in any way denigrate or belittle anyone with mental illness. In fact, we take mental illness very seriously, which is why Mr. Cruise's ill-informed rant inspired us to create this website. We don't have anything personally against Mr. Cruise, either. We think he's a first-class actor and a humanitarian. We did used to worry that he was a misguided zealot, but that's all. Now we think he's a dangerous, misguided zealot.
posted on July 21, 2005 05:40:10 AM new
Ralphie likes to chew on Body Thetans...
"Here is Hubbard's so-called factual and scientific truth that all
Scientologist's must not only accept as reality but experience as reality:
75 million years ago, the galactic overlord for this sector of the galaxy was
called Xenu. He was in charge of 76 planets, including Earth (at that time
known as Teegeeack).
All of the planets Xenu controlled were over-populated by, on average, 178
billion people. Social problems dictated that Xenu rid his sector of the
galaxy of this overpopulation problem, so he developed a plan.
Xenu sent out tax audit demands to all these trillions of people. As each one
entered the audit centers for the income tax inspections, the people were
seized, held down and injected with a mixture of alcohol and glycol, and
frozen. Then, all 13.5 trillion of these frozen people were put into
spaceships that looked exactly like DC8 airplanes, except that the spaceships
had rocket engines instead of propellers.
Xenu's entire fleet of DC8-like spaceships then flew to planet Earth, where
the frozen people were dumped in and around volcanoes in the Canary Islands
and the Hawaiian Islands. When Xenu's Air Force had finished dumping the
bodies into the volcanoes, hydrogen bombs were dropped into the volcanoes and
the frozen space aliens were vaporized.
However, Xenu's plan involved setting up electronic traps in Teegeeack's
atmosphere which were designed to trap the souls or spirits of the dead space
aliens. When the 13.5 trillion spirits were being blown around on the nuclear
winds, the electronic traps worked like a charm and captured all the souls in
the electronic, sticky fly-paper like traps.
The spirits of the aliens were then taken to huge multiplex cinemas that Xenu
had previously instructed his forces to build on Teegeeack. In these movie
theaters the spirits had to spend many days watching special 3-D movies, the
purpose of which was twofold: 1) to implant into these spirits a false
reality, i.e. the reality that WOGS (Hubbard's derisory term for anyone not a
Scientologists) know on Earth today; and, 2) to control these spirits for all
eternity so that they could never cause trouble for Xenu in this sector of the
Galaxy. During these films, many false pictures and stories were implanted
into these spirits, which resulted in the spirits believing in all the things
that control mankind on Earth today, including religion. The concept of
religion, including God, Christ, Mohammed, Moses etc., were all an implanted
false reality that to this very minute are used to control WOGS on Earth.
When the films ended and the souls left the cinema, they started to stick
together in clusters of a few thousand and remained that way until mankind
began to inhabit the Earth. Today on Earth all the spirits of these aliens
have attached themselves to our bodies and are the root cause of the false
reality that all but Scientology's "Homo Novis" or OT 8's on earth experience.
It is the job of all Scientologists to remove this false reality from the
world by auditing each and every space alien spirit and human on earth and the
entire universe to CLEAR. For those who oppose Scientology and stand in their
way like the Lisa McPherson Trust and all Scientology critics, Scientology
promises to do away with them "quietly and without sorrow".
We have calculated that on average, each person on planet earth has 2,209 of
these Body Thetans (BT's for short), Hubbard's term for the alien spirits,
attached to you causing you to be constrained by Xenu's false reality. The
average cost for Scientology to OT 8 is a mere USD 360,000, meaning that each
BT only costs USD 163 to clear. Now that is a bargain if there ever was one.
Hubbard never said the overall cost to the planet would be cheap, but let's
examine it. The planetary cost equation is as follows: 13.5 trillion spirits
times USD 163 equals a mere USD 2,205,000,000,000,000. Just think about
it -- USD 2.2 quadrillion -- WOW!, that's enough to keep Rear Admiral
Miscavige, the current head of Scientology and Marty Rathbun, his number two,
in casino chips for a long time.
To finish the "factual" account, the Loyal Officers of the Marcab Confederation
finally discovered how evil Xenu was and overthrew him. He is now locked away
in a mountain on one of the planets and kept in by a force-field powered by
an eternal battery. Several of Xenu's relatives can often be found on the
internet newsgroup called alt.religion.scientology (or ARS for short) battling
Scientology daily.
Many Scientologists who have left from the highest levels of Scientology have
told us that they have been in a room at Scientology's Sandcastle building in
Clearwater, Florida for 5-7 hours per day for up to 15 years, holding two
asparagus cans together, attached to a primitive lie detector, talking all day
to these dead space aliens. And guess what? You'll never ever finish talking to
dead space aliens until you leave Scientology.
As we said, you are learning about this story in the interest of full
disclosure. If you become involved with Scientology we want you to do so with
your eyes open and fully aware of the sort of material it contains. And, if
you're in Scientology you should know how you will be spending the rest of your
life."
"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda."
Dumbo-the-Saudi-Running-Dog_Pander-Puss(Greece, N.Y.) May 24, 2005
posted on July 21, 2005 09:40:26 AM new
space ships that looked just like DC8's
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posted on July 21, 2005 10:24:56 AM new
tOMWiii you made that up! PLEASE say you made that up !
How could anyone swallow that bull.....maybe the stories I heard about hypnotism being used quite a bit has something to do with this giant brain fart
"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda."
Dumbo-the-Saudi-Running-Dog_Pander-Puss(Greece, N.Y.) May 24, 2005
posted on July 21, 2005 11:06:15 AM new
If you wanna know what a cult is, then check out Scientology. Weird ass stuff.
And L Ron Hubbard wrote some 'sci fi' book, and they made it into a movie with John Travolta (he is also a Scientologist) and the movie flopped.
I forgot the name of the book and movie. I love Sci Fi, but I couldn't take more than 15 mins watching it, and turned it off, it was bad, meaning bad Science, Fiction and acting!
posted on July 21, 2005 11:40:46 AM new"Battlefield Earth"
Has the distinction of being considered even worse than "Plan 9 from Outer Space"
By Jane Horwitz
Special to The Washington Post
Friday, May 12, 2000; Page N53
BATTLEFIELD EARTH (PG-13, 117 minutes)
Teens likely will be unable to stay awake, let alone make any sense out of this flat-footed sci-fi epic. Boring, murky and full of unintentionally funny lines, this pet project of star John Travolta is based on the 1982 novel by L. Ron Hubbard, founder of the Church of Scientology, to which Travolta belongs. The violence makes it iffy for preteens, although most of the killings take place off-camera. Little blood flows amid the gunplay, bone-crunching fights and slow-motion, glass-shattering stunts. Still, the deaths of humans, horses and cattle are strongly implied. Phobics, take note that rats are used as food. Other elements include mild profanity and comic sexual innuendo.
It's the year 3000, and mankind is an endangered species, conquered by a giant, longhaired race of space aliens called Psychlos. Yet rebellion's afoot in the form of gutsy Jonnie Goodboy Tyler (Barry Pepper). Captured by Terl (Travolta), the aliens' duplicitous chief of security, Jonnie submits to enslavement in order to learn their language and ultimately lead the revolt. In days, he and his comrades evolve from cave dwellers into fighter pilots. Full of holes and mighty cheesy is "Battlefield Earth."
"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda."
Dumbo-the-Saudi-Running-Dog_Pander-Puss(Greece, N.Y.) May 24, 2005
posted on July 21, 2005 11:52:59 AM new
Careful, they don't fool around:
Hubbard's views on how to use the legal system for handling critics
"The purpose of a lawsuit is to harass and discourage rather than to win....Don't ever defend. Always attack. Find or manufacture enough threat against them to cause them to sue for peace. Originate a black PR campaign to destroy the person's repute and to discredit them so thoroughly they will be ostracized. Be alert to sue for slander at the slightest chance so as to discourage the public presses from mentioning Scientology."
"The law can be used very easily to harass, and enough harassment on somebody who is simply on the thin edge anyway, will knowing that he is not authorized, will generally be sufficient to cause his professional decease. If possible, of course, ruin him utterly." From "A Manual on the Dissemination of Material" (1955) by L. Ron Hubbard.
"NEVER agree to an investigation of Scientology. ONLY agree to investigate the attackers....This is the correct procedure: (1) Spot who is attacking us. (2) Start investigating them for FELONIES or worse, using our own professionals, not outside agencies. (3) Double curve our reply by saying we welcome an investigation of them. (4) Start feeding lurid, blood, sex, crime actual evidence on the attackers to the press....Don't ever submit tamely to an investigation of us. Make it rough on the attackers all the way....You can get "reasonable about it" and lose .... so BANISH all ideas that any fair hearing is intended and start our attack with their first breath. Never wait. Never talk about us -- only them. Use their blood, sex, crime to get headlines. Don't use us." From HCO policy letter of 25 Feb. 1966, "Attacks on Scientology."
"The defense of anything is untenable. The only way to defend anything is to attack, and if you ever forget that, you will lose every battle you are engaged in, whether it is in terms of personal conversation, public debate, or a court of law. NEVER BE INTERESTED IN CHARGES. Do yourself, much MORE CHARGING, and you will win."
"Entirely by bringing about public conviction that the sanity of a person is in question it is possible to discount and eradicate all the goals and activities of that person." From the "Brainwashing Manual" ascribed to L Ron Hubbard.
posted on July 21, 2005 12:31:31 PM new
Tom is obviously just another one of the zillion followers (sheep) out there. For the life of me, I'll never understand why it's so important for people to find a "leader" so they can base their whole belief system on what this leader deems is right. Can't we have our own unique & individual beliefs based on what we want for ourselves? What is it in us that's so missing, to the point where we willfully choose to give up our free thinking to follow these kind of groups? Are we that gullible? Are we that needy?
posted on July 21, 2005 12:54:04 PM new
My Daddy was a member of the fraternity of Freemasons. I always thought this was a type of cult too. They did good works but it all seemed a little strange to me.. more like a tight knit club of businessmen who scratched each other's backs regularly.
posted on July 21, 2005 12:54:26 PM newAre we that needy?
'fraid so Kraft. As personal philosophy/spirituality/religion goes, most people want to be told what to believe, and need to have it justified by a recognized group of people with similar beliefs. TK's adherence to scientology is no different than anyone else's blind acceptance of dogma.
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posted on July 21, 2005 12:55:23 PM new
forgot to add, except for the fact that he's NUTS, of course.
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posted on July 21, 2005 01:20:46 PM new
This ex-member says that subliminal messages were used in the movie "Battlefield Earth"
Who knows??
"More meetings were held focusing exclusively on how we would ensure that we would get the desired recruiting result from the movie. It was suggested that the only way to guarantee results was to secretly put subliminal messages in the film as or after it was being created. Messages were discussed such as: "Buy the Dianetics book," "Find out about Scientology now," and one that put everyone into stitches, "Hate psychiatry, psychiatrists, and drug companies."
Someone (I did not know who) apparently had already been researching using Subliminals. This person said that they could buy the ability to imbed images and messages within other images from some foreign advertising companies who had mastered it. They said they also had access to some eastern bloc government research which detailed new ways to imbed subliminal messages into video, in which the messages simply could not be found without detailed knowledge of these specific imbedding techniques.
There was a heated discussion about this being illegal and that if we got caught it would be another disaster. Miscavige insisted that the urgency of the times made the risk worth the reward and that if we did it right we would not get caught. We also felt the risk was low because nobody was actively screening for subliminals anymore. The laws and the public outcry against it were 30 years old. Finally it was decided to go ahead with using subliminals, because we controlled the film content, we would control production security, and we would have trusted Scientology members in the key areas necessary to get it done. "
posted on July 21, 2005 02:07:48 PM new
I agree Prof, but still can't figure it out. If your beliefs are strong, you don't need to belong to a group of like thinkers, but if your beliefs aren't developed, you only leave yourself open to groups of people who want you to believe in what they do, and those people already belong to a group of others with no idea about what to believe in.
posted on July 21, 2005 02:30:45 PM new
Yeah! thats it Tom, Battlefield Earth! What a bad movie that was, it was like a low budget movie starring Travolta!
If it had subliminal messages in it, good thing I did not watch it all
Maggie, I asked my dad once if he was a Mason (I didn't know, he belonged to just about everything, Knights of Columbus, Elks etc)
He looked at me, and said 'OH HELL NO, I'm a Catholic' and that was it .... LOL!
I've heard a lot about Masons, not sure what to think or believe.
posted on July 21, 2005 02:38:44 PM new
Oh..is that right, Near? I didn't know that the Masons didn't include Catholics in their membership. It was so hush, hush.. with their little aprons and stuff..hee hee..I did like his ring though..
I think all of these groups or cults, whether disguised as a religious based or whatever are all just self serving.
posted on July 21, 2005 02:47:23 PM new
I don't know if that is true (about not being Catholic in the Masons) I asked my dad, and it wasn't too long ago.. he's getting up there and doesn't remember a lot of things. He may have been confused. But there are some days where he remembers things, but those days are few and far between.
posted on July 21, 2005 02:56:57 PM new
You are so lucky to still have him with you, Near.. My dad died in his 50's and my mom was 63..we don't last long..must be put up cheap! ..
posted on July 21, 2005 04:45:45 PM new
Maggie, it's not that Masons don't include Catholics in their membership. The Church frowns on Catholics being Masons for several reasons:
Since the decree "In Eminenti" of Pope Clement XII in 1738, Catholics have been forbidden to join the Masons, and until 1983, under pain of excommunication. (The Orthodox and several Protestant churches also ban membership in the Masons.) Confusion occurred in 1974, when a letter by Cardinal Franjo Seper, then prefect of the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, was interpreted to mean that Catholics could join Masonic lodges that were not anti-Catholic; the same congregation declared this interpretation as erroneous in 1981.
On Nov. 26, 1983, with the approval of Pope John Paul II, the Sacred Congregation reiterated the ban on Catholics joining the Masons: "The Church's negative position on Masonic association ... remains unaltered, since their principles have always been regarded as irreconcilable with the Church's doctrine. Hence, joining them remains prohibited by the Church. Catholics enrolled in masonic associations are involved in serious sin and may not approach Holy Communion." However, neither this declaration nor the 1983 <Code of Canon Law> imposed the penalty of excommunication on Catholics belonging to the Masons.
I am neither Catholic or Mason, but my father and father-in-law were Masons. I always thought it a strange thing and stayed away from it.
[ edited by etexbill on Jul 21, 2005 04:50 PM ]
posted on July 21, 2005 04:56:18 PM new
Holy Smokes, Tex.. I think I should do a little reading and see just what my daddy was up to!
Catholics enrolled in masonic associations are involved in serious sin and may not approach Holy Communion.
