posted on August 3, 2005 11:48:47 AM new
Hilarious!
Ron says, "Please tell me about all of your war experiences mingotree? I would be fascinated to hear about it. I will repeat my statement which many people have said in the present and past "There are no innocents in war."
I have read many many books on war, never once do they claim to protect the innocents"
OOOOhh I can see Ron in the heat of battle , flipping PAGES!!!
Ron, you have already stated that you have no compassion so it's understandable that you blame children for getting themselves killed in war.
AND this statement. "There are no innocents in war."
is NOT this statement, ""never once do they claim to protect the innocents""
posted on August 3, 2005 11:53:22 AM new
Each time lindak is faced with the reality of the situation in Iraq and it is addressed here, she becomes afraid and loses it completely and tries to divert the topic. Who does she think she's fooling? Her caps and bolding show how angry and insecure she truly is, and now that she's a senior it's doubtful that she will ever be able to mellow out of her constant rage.
posted on August 3, 2005 12:04:54 PM new
You inability to understand ANYTHING kiara.....you can't even grasp what 'good news' is compared to soldiers deaths and injuries. Couldn't answer my challenge either.
Having learned that fact....your word has absolutely no credibility at all. Your ability to 'comprehend' any situation and come to a reasonalbe conclusion is laughable after that statement.
Proved to me, and maybe other's too, just how disfunctional your whole ability to evaluate and be rational really is. What an eye opener that was.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on August 3, 2005 12:06:11 PM newKiara, do you ever notice LindaTwelveK never rages or even gets upsets over the deaths and maimings in Iraq?
No, she never gets upset over that. In fact when I mentioned that it's good news that some of the injured soldiers recover enough to go on with their lives she doesn't see it as a good thing.
posted on August 3, 2005 12:22:35 PM newCouldn't answer my challenge either.
It's interesting that you view a topic of discussion as a 'challenge', isn't it lindak? I pop in now and again to express an opinion and never thought this was a 'challenge' so to speak. That may explain your constant rage because you think you're losing the 'challenge'? How amusing.
BTW, I answered but once again it wasn't the answer you wanted to hear so you became more bitter and tried to divert the topic.
posted on August 3, 2005 12:46:16 PM new
LOl.....see...there's the proof of your inability to see things as they really are, kiar.
I started a 'good news from Iraq' thread....I didn't change the topic....it's been the hard-core anti-war posters who started in with all the bad news.
And you're post was the BEST!!! When asked to show ANY LEFT leaning MSM article to prove statements made here by you guys/gals that there are 'good news from Iraq' articles made BY left leaning MSM....you couldn't do it. And as for good news....YOU post about our soldiers deaths and injuries. Now, I DO believe that in most people's minds......normal people that is.....deaths and injuries are NOT considered 'good news'.
I seeing that YOU do.....it gives me a much better incite as to why you 'TWIST' as many statements from me as you continually do. You don't have the ability to even understand the difference between positive and negative....and have an extremely DISTORTED view of things you know nothing about in regards to personal statements....well....to be real honest LIES...you make about others....me mostly.
So....continue on kiara....with your lies, distortions and twisting the words of others....it only reflects poorly on your character. [b]And only confirms the fact that your statements are immature, and not based in reality at all.
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That's called not backing up your FALSE statements.
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"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
[ edited by Linda_K on Aug 3, 2005 12:50 PM ]
posted on August 3, 2005 01:06:54 PM new
I'm truly sorry that my comments have sent you into so much of a rage lindak that you've messed up your post to such a degree.
Perhaps you should calm down and take a deep breath and carefully read my posts on this thread about the good things in Iraq such as the willpower of the people rebuilding their homes and how the soldiers are helping them and how they reach out to the children.
Just a note here:
And you're post was the BEST!!!
Quite often lately you have been confusing 'you're' (which means 'you are') with 'your'. Just thought I would mention it and I hope it doesn't make you angry that I took note of it because my intentions are good. I make mistakes also.
posted on August 3, 2005 01:25:21 PM newIt's interesting that you view a topic of discussion as a 'challenge', isn't it lindak?
I see Dr. Fraud (no misspelling) stroking her gray mangled beard while pondering this as, "oh so interesting."
Posted by Linda: ...let's see you post a few links on good news coming from Iraq..
Here's a clue, kiara: The above in bold is a challenge. Do you understand English at all?? Or are you so totally wrapped up in yourself you cant even read and interpret a sentence correctly? (..and they let you keep orphans in your care!!!? Omg!!! Those poor, poor children!!)
bigglePeepa, you sure look good in that cheerleaders skirt. rah! rah! sis-coum-ba!!
- All you know is one side vs the other, you dont even care what youre cheering for! That figures with a big doofy knucklehead like you.
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posted on August 3, 2005 06:06:55 PM newpart of why in my 'good news' link it was pointed out how they are doing so well at protecting and keeping the peace at those soccor games
I am glad the Iraqi forces can keep peace at soccer games. We all know how violent they can be. Isn't that the favorite pastime activity of terrorists.?
Next the Iraqi forces can move up to protecting banks from looters
Maybe Linda can rent them to protect her from all the Bush bashing liberals
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
posted on August 3, 2005 06:13:26 PM new
""So....continue on kiara....with your lies, distortions and twisting the words of others....it only reflects poorly on your character. [b]And only confirms the fact that your statements are immature, and not based in reality at all.""
Ya, everybody lies and twists words and isimmature, and not based in reality blah blah blah ..everybody but LindaTwelveK
Stupid , it's spelled INSIGHTFUL.
Kiara you and I have serious character flaws (we're smarter than Linda)
posted on August 4, 2005 12:40:17 AM new
Ronny says, ""So you think no children died in WWII? WWI? Korean War? Vietnam War? ""
DUH, where'd I say that, Ronny? Point it out please.
"Oh I am still waiting to hear about your war time experiences, should be fascinating as you seem to know all about it mingotree."
Ron keeps insisting that one has to have fought in battle to understand war...
Well...your Commander-in-Chief, Georgie Bush HAD NO EXPERIENCE did he now, the low-life coward.
Sooooo Ronny, let's look at it, you may be right! Bush HAD NO EXPERIENCE IN WAR so he prepared and planned very poorly for the Iraq war. Didn't supply enough troops or enough equipment, didn't plan for the after-effects, and can't seem to get us out of it. And he had to concoct several varying reasons why we should go to war .
So, you may be right! Bush kept his rich white butt out of Vietnam and look at what a mess he made in the Middle East
posted on August 4, 2005 05:05:16 AM new
Maybe for now we should take Dennis Kucinich's advise and put aside our differences to support the families who have lost loved ones. One mother of one of the men from the Ohio-based Marine battalion was asked by a news reporter: "Do you have a message for the president?" Her reply: "Not that I can say on T.V. " How can democracy be fully appreciated if it's something someone else decided you should have? The U.S. wasn't handed democracy. We fought for it. It wasn't until the end that the French helped us. Rag tag farmers fought for this country's freedom. I would feel differently about this war if the people of Iraq had started a revolution in their country to demand freedom. I wouldn't have objected to us jumping in to support their fight. However, someone in this country decided for them that they should have democracy. Even if they get it, how long do you think it will last? Russia is moving back toward communism. Old customs, old ways and old habits die hard if at all. Our men are dying and being maimed for a country that wasn't interested enough in democracy to start the fight on their own. You can't just hand democracy to someone. It has to be fought for by the people who desire it. JMO, which unless the rules have changed, I'm entitled to.
Ohio-Based Marine Battalion Loses 20 Members in Iraq
Fourteen Marines from one battalion were killed Wednesday in a roadside bombing in
Iraq, most of them from a Columbus-based company that also suffered multiple casualties just months ago.
The losses in the single deadliest roadside bombing of U.S. troops in Iraq came two days after the same reservist battalion lost six other members in the fighting. (Read More)
Nine of the reservists killed Wednesday were members of Lima Company, which lost four Marines in another attack in May, said Master Sgt. Stephen Walter, the company's public affairs officer.
All 14 were members of 3rd Battalion, 25th Marines, based in this blue-collar Cleveland suburb of 21,000, according to Gunnery Sgt. Brad R. Lauer, public affairs chief. The battalion was activated in January and went to Iraq in March.
Military officials told the family of Lance Cpl. Edward Schroeder, 23, of Cleveland, that he was one of the Marines who died Wednesday.
"He was persuaded that if he joined the Marines he would get a new sense of purpose," said his mother, Rosemary Palmer.
She said he joined the military in 2002 despite her opposition; she wouldn't even let her son play with toy guns while he was growing up.
The units of the other five Marines were not immediately released. The battalion also has units in Brook Park, Akron, Moundsville, W.Va., and Buffalo, N.Y. The Moundsville unit said it had none of the casualties.
Rex Lott's son, Cpl. Billy Lott, serves with the weapons company out of Akron. He said the last 24 hours have been rough, waiting for any word, hoping his son is all right. He left work early Wednesday to go to the reserve center.
"They expressed that they hadn't heard anything yet," said Lott, 53. "No news is good news as far as they're concerned."
The six killed Monday on sniper duty were from the Brook Park company. Grief and anger shook the battalion's working-class hometown Wednesday as families anxiously awaited answers.
"You never know who it could be. It could be your best friend. It could be your husband -- it could be anyone from here," Eleanor Matelski, 69, said as she angrily tore up a paper cup that held her morning coffee at a doughnut shop down the street from the battalion's headquarters.
"Tell Bush to get our soldiers out of there now before any more of our soldiers die. This is getting to be ridiculous," she said.
A few steps away, near the gates of the 3rd Battalion, 25th Marines, residents piled red roses, American flags, handwritten notes of condolences and white crosses _ one each to symbolize the six reservists.
At the doughnut shop, nearly everyone seated at the counter said they knew someone connected to the battalion. "Those boys come in here," said shop manager Pat Wilsox.
Wilsox threw her hand over her heart when she heard the news that the battalion had suffered more losses. "Oh my God," she said softly. "I'm all for protection but this is getting a little bit ridiculous."
Unlike in the Vietnam War, reserve troops sent to Iraq train and fight together. The rational is that the soldiers will know each other better in a combat environment, increasing their effectiveness and chances of survival, military historians said. However, the risk is greater that the same geographical area will suffer multiple casualties.
"It makes it pretty traumatic for the area involved," said Allan Millett, professor of military history at Ohio State University.
The Vietnam War was fought largely by active-duty troops who were replaced by individual soldiers from around the nation.
Tire shop manager Bob Fekete said the 3rd Battalion's losses weighed heavy on him. He's done auto work for some of the headquarters' Marines.
A Marine veteran from the Vietnam War, he did not express the anger some of his neighbors did. "It's just one of those things. It's part of the game," Fekete said in the shop's lobby decorated with American flags and a box filled with toys being collected for a Marine charity.
The 3rd Battalion, 25th Marines, was first activated on May 1, 1943, and fought in several battles in World War II. It helped capture a key airfield at the Battle of Iwo Jima in the Pacific. Before this week's dead, the unit's Web site listed 25 of its Marines had been killed this year.
Meanwhile, at the center of this Democratic stronghold, politicians huddled at City Hall, planning a memorial service for later in the week.
U.S. Rep. Dennis Kucinich, whose district includes the battalion, put aside his well-known criticism of the war to offer comfort.
"Someone's love has been destroyed here. Someone's child or husband or wife has been killed," the Democrat said Wednesday on WEWS-TV. "We need to close ranks as one community to support these families."
posted on August 4, 2005 06:37:50 AM new
Its obvious you know nothing about the military or the position of commander in chief, mingotree and will treat your posts accordingly on those subjects.
My name is Ron, not anything else you desire.
Do you understand that is a form of harrassment?
posted on August 4, 2005 08:17:06 AM new
Yes you have made a good point about your lack of knowledge.
Oh and I am asking vendio to get you to stop calling me by the wrong name seeing as you have chosen not to on your own, but then expecting an adult attitude from you was a little naive of me.
posted on August 4, 2005 08:46:16 AM new
While you're waiting for Vendio to suspend me for calling you such a ridiculous name(take that two ways) maybe you could back up ONE of your statements(I doubt it though).
"""Ronny says, ""So you think no children died in WWII? WWI? Korean War? Vietnam War? ""
DUH, where'd I say that, Ronny? Point it out please.""""
If you would just read the contents of a post instead of doing what you expressly came in here for....
( looking to suspend someone)
you'd notice that I ageed with you!
People who have never been in battle should have nothing to do with wars
They cannot conduct or lead one effectively.
posted on August 4, 2005 10:01:34 AM new
No it is not funny! Ron has always posted his name along with his opinions. He deserves to be addressed by his name or his username. Regardless of if you agree with his opinion, he has requested that he be addressed as Ron.
posted on August 4, 2005 11:27:40 AM new
Helen, I can GUARANTEE you that being called a name in physical person would be treated much differently.
My name is Ron, what is so hard about addressing me as such?
Oh and mingotree President Bush makes very few military decisions, if any, that do not involve the Joint Chiefs of Staff (case you don't know those are the highest ranking military of all the armed forces)and other military advisors.
These are the people giving President Bush the information he needs.
Why would of he needed to have fought in a war to conduct one?
Abraham Lincoln didn't. Woodrow Wilson didn't, FDR didn't.
But if you attempt to go beyond opinion on military situations it would be best in most cases to have some experience, so as to be able to speak on some intelligent level. That is my opinion.
posted on August 4, 2005 11:33:21 AM new
What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet
Shakespeare
You sound like a wuss, Ron...always in a dither about your name or someone insulting you and forever threatening to send tattle tale reports to vendio. Chill dude!
posted on August 4, 2005 11:34:50 AM new
OOOohh, now I see your point!
If you've never fought in battle you can start a war but you can't have an opinion on it
But I do find objections to this silly statement,
""Oh and mingotree President Bush makes very few military decisions""
(may be BUT he 's the one SENDING people TO war),
""if any, that do not involve the Joint Chiefs of Staff (case you don't know those are the highest ranking military of all the armed forces)and other military advisors.
These are the people giving President Bush the information he needs"""
Sorry, he ignores everything he doesn't want to hear and fires (or slanders) anyone who disagrees with him.
He does not take advice, he takes ORDERS from Rove & Associates.
posted on August 4, 2005 12:40:17 AM edit
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Ronny says, ""So you think no children died in WWII? WWI? Korean War? Vietnam War? ""
DUH, where'd I say that, Ronny? Point it out please.
posted on August 4, 2005 11:47:52 AM new
That was a question mingotree, questions usually have "?" this at the end.
It was not a rhetorical one.
No helen I won't "chill dude". Don't like it don't address me.
You can't act like an adult and carry on as such, I will and now have emailed Vendio. I don't care what you or anyone else thinks about that, that will not change and if you get suspended over it, look in the mirror, you did it yourself.
Ron
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posted on August 4, 2005 11:57:03 AM new
posted on August 4, 2005 12:40:17 AM edit
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Ronny says, ""So you think no children died in WWII? WWI? Korean War? Vietnam War? ""
DUH, where'd I say that, Ronny? Point it out please.
WashingtoneBayer
posted on August 4, 2005 11:47:52 AM new
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That was a question mingotree, questions usually have "?" this at the end.
It was not a rhetorical one.""
Ok, for the confused, no, I never said, nor believe, no children were killed in those wars.
NOW, where did you see me print/say/ indicate/imply that?
See the question mark ? Several have been sent your way with no response .
posted on August 4, 2005 11:58:15 AM new "No helen I won't "chill dude". Don't like it don't address me."
I'll address you in a way that I consider appropriate. Usually, when I consider the content of your posts, I decide that responding in any way is useless.
You may respond however you wish...If you choose to take the wussy route, that's your perogative. I was offering some helpful advice as to how to conduct yourself as an adult on a chat board such as this one.
posted on August 4, 2005 12:05:33 PM new
Poor Ronnie....
""You can't act like an adult and carry on as such, I will and now have emailed Vendio. I don't care what you or anyone else thinks about that, that will not change and if you get suspended over it, look in the mirror, you did it yourself. """
No, I won't have done it myself, it was done by a snitch...a sniveling, cry baby snitch with the cojones of a flea.
""I don't care what you or anyone else thinks ""
but you will go whining to Vendio
