posted on June 19, 2001 05:43:04 AM new
Hi Joanne,
Our site is being updated. Also, in last weeks Newsletter which is mailed out to all of our members who sign up for it, we've explained that we will not be a legal co-op entitity.
BTW folks, since we made that announcement our Subscriber list and guest book signings have actually jumped up and that's with our site being down as we are not very strong with HTML!
posted on June 19, 2001 09:01:10 AM new
Hi Mr P: Our site is undergoing a big update. Part of this is mentioned in our Newsletter (if you want one email me and I'll email you out one right away) and part is on our homepage.
As the site is being revamped we haven't updated all of the pages on our current site.
posted on June 19, 2001 06:46:37 PM new
It would take an inexperienced computer user about 10 minutes to correct all of the FALSE and MIS-LEADING information that refers to this FOR PROFIT business as a CO-OP on that site!!!
I will gladly do it for you myself Jamie...
No, I think they know EXACTLY what they are doing!
I am about one day away from presenting this to a dear friend who is an internet atty., and see what can be done about this.
It sickens me that they are so boldly misleading and misrepresenting this venture.
I feel it was the plan all along to get others to foot the work, while the emporer and his jesters sat back waiting to reap the fuits of others labor.
The entire auction CO-OP idea has now been bloodied by AP, and it will never recover.
People will always think that it's just another scam now...pitiful!
posted on June 19, 2001 08:28:00 PM new
""I feel it was the plan all along to get others to foot the work, while the emporer and his jesters sat back waiting to reap the fuits of others labor.""
I resent that!!
Ya wanna tell me who exactly did the work? Cause either I have been dreaming all this time or I've had an out of body experience. There were no others. You're lookin at her -- besides Jamie and Rich!!
I've got to give Cat some credit too as she got the ball rolling, but she LEFT.
Why would you say that I or anyone "SAT BACK" and waited to reap the rewards? I for one have been working my butt off here. I still am as we speak. I don't know where anyone gets that so many others have gotten us where we are, but it's untrue!
This is my last post on this thread as I have just about had it with all the libelous and slanderous remarks that have been made here. Not to mention some of the harrassing emails that have been sent to my personal email and false accusations that have been made.
(offensive comment edited out)
Now I'll go back to my work.....or should I say "sitting back and waiting"????? (Smart comment edited out)
Shaz
(I've edited this entire post to be more reader friendly....please accept my opolgy for my offensive behavior)
[ edited by Shaz on Jun 20, 2001 01:56 AM ]
posted on June 19, 2001 09:26:42 PM new
Canvid13 and Shaz,
You are both pushing the envelope and I am warning you both not to post in this vein again! Your remarks are insulting to another AuctionWatch member and especially inappropriate for Company Reps. We expect you to be professional at all times.
Joice
[email protected]
**changed wording
[ edited by joice on Jun 19, 2001 09:29 PM ]
posted on June 19, 2001 10:49:10 PM new
Shaz, I would think that you would have more sense than to threaten me publicly.
I wrote a post earlier and then thought better of it. As I posted earlier, I don't wish to play AP watchdog. I raised an issue here about Auctionpie, waited for a response and then said my piece.
When I heard about the change of direction for AP, I sent you an email asking if you were still interested in in working towards a co-op. You responded by threatening me with a lawsuit. You even threatened to sue me because I used your "personal email" which you post as part of your sig line.
Auctionpie says they are updating their web site. When Canvid overwrote AP with a Hawiian vacation getaway web template, you were faced with a choice. You could have left the page up or disabled it. Instead, you REPOSTED AP's mission statement that you will be forming a co-op. This after AP publicly acknowleged that they will NOT be run as a co-op or anything like it. How do you justify that?
You have garned a list of people who volunteered to help build a co-op, and now you will be spamming them to donate money for AP's for-profit site. Your response was, "it's an opt-out mailing list." In my opinion, saying AP will be run "like a co-op" like saying you are a "little bit" pregnant. There is no half-way.
I now represent another cooperative group and I believe it is not aesthetic for me to continue to harp on Auctionpie. You've done plenty of polling at AuctionWatch. Take this latest discussion as a poll. The only person who is supporting your idea is another auction site owner who also advertises his for-profit site as a co-op. Everybody else thinks that what you are doing is wrong.
I have strong feelings about the co-op movement, I was the one pushing it on AW long before Auctionpie was ever thought up, and I don't like to see my ideas and work, and the hopes of others, turned into a for-profit gig for yourself or anyone else. Auctionpie has destroyed the credibility of the co-op movement.
posted on June 19, 2001 11:11:23 PM new
In reviewing the Community Guidelines (and after cooling off a bit) I have realized that my last post to Steve was not called for and against the rules. I apologize to both him and AW.
I also apologize to AW for using colorful words in another of my posts and have edited them out.
While I still feel that some of the things he is saying are untrue and a direct attempt at muddying the name of the site that I work for, the people I work with and myself, I won't respond as promised.
RESPECTFULLY,
Shaz
As for the edit -I originally protested here that Twinsoft should not be allowed to directly address me on the same subject after I agreed to not post again and I am retracting that as well. He has the right here to post any opinion of anyone and anything at any time.
[ edited by Shaz on Jun 19, 2001 11:14 PM ]
[ edited by Shaz on Jun 20, 2001 01:47 AM ]
I do not see where the word or even "idea" of sueing came from ?????
I simply stated that I was seeing an ole friend today, who happens to be a net atty.
I have no desire or plans to sue anyone right now, but I WILL be asking what the repurcussions on a situation like this can lead to.
In the beginning of the co-op movement, you started out as "I just wanna help", and you managed to take that movement, and claim it for your own!
That just aint right man... it just aint right.
I will ALWAYS be the voice of people who have or are about to get raked over...
that's me, that will ALWAYS be me!
********************************************
"Wherever there's a cop beatin' a guy...
Wherever a hungry newborn baby cries...
Where there's a fight 'gainst the blood and hatred in the air,
Just look for me, cause I'll be there!
Wherever there's somebody fightin' for a place to stand,
or a decent job or a helpin' hand,
Wherever somebody's strugglin' to be free...
Look in their eyes, and you'll see me."
posted on June 20, 2001 10:26:33 AM newPart of this is mentioned in our Newsletter (if you want one email me and I'll email you out one right away) and part is on our homepage.
Thanks, but I think I'll pass. Get your website straightened out, and I'll take a look some other time.
edited to add...
I've been reading some of the other message boards, and all I've got to say is...
Yikes!!!
If my impression of the attitudes and opinions of AP's founder(s) that I've seen posted elsewhere are anything close to accurate, there isn't any way you could get me within 100 miles of the site.
All I've got to say is... Good luck- you're going to need it.
[ edited by mrpotatoheadd on Jun 20, 2001 07:59 PM ]
posted on July 2, 2001 06:13:41 PM new
I said I wouldn't do this, but I am getting a little cheesed off with AuctionPie. It's been over three weeks since they admitted (with a little prompting) that they would no longer be working towards a co-op. Three weeks, and they have not made any significant changes to the content of the site.
Organization Purpose - Our purpose is to create a Co-operative online auction house that would be non-profit, non-saleable, one member one vote, and non exclusionary so that we can all build our business in a safe and stable manner.... Members of a Co-op must put in time and expertise as well as cash. This beginning time is when we have to learn to pull together.
I notice that AuctionPie apparently has time to add a fancy Flash menu to their site, but no time to remove all the misleading advertising.
Links:
National Cooperative BusinessAssociationInternational Cooperative Alliance 7 Steps to Forming a Co-operative-Canada General Information about Cooperatives- epix.net Let's Build a Co-op-forum Krause Superseller Newsletter AuctionBytes-online auction news
The Auction Guild- Tagnotes-newsletter[/i]
AuctionPie has announced an upcoming membership drive. It's time for AuctionPie to take off the sheep's clothing and either update the site or disable it. After three weeks, there is just no excuse for this continued misrepresentation. AuctionPie, do the right thing!
posted on July 3, 2001 05:46:30 AM new
Hello Steve,
I wouldn't waste any more time over arguing here if AP is a co-op or not.
The folks who got involved because it was originally conceived of as a co-op are more than intelligent enough to choose to stay on or leave based on what AP is or is on the way to becoming.
Concentrate your energy on OASC and Internet Pioneers. With IP going live in just another day, what "profit" is there in skirmishing with folks it is best to put on ignore?
posted on July 3, 2001 10:38:12 AM new
Thanks, Code. You are right and like I said, I was cheesed off. Internet Pioneers is scheduled to open tomorrow and everything looks good. I managed to find an auto-relist script which I added at the last minute and has only been tested minimally, but I think this is an important feature. So I'll just be holding my breath and crossing my fingers tomorrow.
OASC is no more, it is now Internet Pioneers. This is only a name change, because I received some advice from Cathy about taking the word "co-op" out of our title. I was able to update the entire site in about an hour.
After a month, I find Auctionpie's refusal to remove comments like "our purpose is to build a co-op ... it takes your cash to build a co-op" more than disappointing.
The NCBA on co-op fraud: http://www.ncba.org/falsecoop.cfm
P.S. I realize that many people are getting tired of this subject, but it really is not about personal differences. Though some of the emails I received yesterday would make a longshoreman blush.
posted on July 3, 2001 03:00:30 PM new
Hi, Pocono. No, I don't consider it harassment. I agree with Code, and maybe it was a mistake to bring this up again. I do have strong feelings about this subject as anyone knows who's followed the co-op discussions here at AW for the last six months.
I've been threatened with legal action several times. I would rather not take this to the next level; but if necessary, I will. I have contacted the NCBA and also a certain free email provider. Really, this topic is unsavory and I don't wish to air dirty laundry in the AW forums.
However, Auctionpie is no different than any other business mentioned in these forums and they should be accountable for their actions. To answer my question of "why hasn't AP updated their web site yet?" with a threat of legal action is about par for the course.
