posted on July 18, 2001 11:04:21 AM"Well you're just knocking us away like flies, huh?"
Good morning, James!
I'm simply trying to get someone to point out where I advocate starting a revolution! I haven't done it. I've talked about a revolution because everyone else was doing so at the moment. I've talked about how I felt that we were being given no choice in the matter by our government, as all of our other options have been DENIED by the reigning two polticial parties in Washington. What the problem this morning is, is that everyone else who misquoted me is having to do the backstroke pretty quickly.
Personally, beyond berating Republicans for voting for this Corporate government into power, I haven't advocated any other course of action whatsoever.
posted on July 18, 2001 11:08:10 AM
"I do not advocate violence, just get the military on our side is all I ask before we go tromping off to overthrow our corrupt government!" - Borillar
posted on July 18, 2001 11:10:29 AM"You said what you said, borillar. Maybe it's kinda like the meaning of is?"
Toke, it's really a rather simple matter. At what point did I say anything like, "Let's all go get our guns and get together and go overthrow our government!"? Or, where did I say anything at all about that anyoneshould go overthrow our government? Or where did I say that even a simple rebellion would be in order to correct our problems with government? No where! I didn't say it, I haven't said it, and if it is a crime to stand up for yourself when you've been wronged, then the problem is not mine.
That's hardly spliting hairs, Toke, wouldn't you agree?
posted on July 18, 2001 11:15:04 AM
No, Borillar. We're merely quoting what you did say. What you meant by what you said is another matter, apparently...
posted on July 18, 2001 11:22:49 AM
You're right, James. I do not advocate violence to resolve our problems and a revolution is usually just that. But I will not say that I do not advocate a revolution, but only that I have never stated that I do. I will never rule out the option of a revolution --- only that I am not urging anyone to take the law into their own hands and/or to commit acts of violence. If the dissatisfied of this nation of ours got together, linked arms, sang 'We Shall Overcome', marched on Washington to protest and demand that the politicians step down from office, I'd applaud them! These politicians have such a high disdain for us that such a mass march would encounter the military along the way with tanks blocking the road. There is already a precedent set for the use of the military to use extreme, lethal measures against protesters [Gen. Douglas MacArthur a.k.a. The Butcher and Egomaniac and the One-Percenters]. Therefore, before anyone goes marching on Washington in any fashion, I suggest that you get the military on your side. And if that simply means having the military stand down and not interfere with the process, then terrific!
posted on July 18, 2001 11:36:22 AMBorillarAnd if that simply means having the military stand down and not interfere with the process, then terrific!
So your looking for a revolution, but the military isn't allowed to participate? Isn't that a bit unfair? Aren't you denying them due right to 'revolt.' Since they are in the military they don't have a say in the process? Are other occupations going to be disallowed from the revolution? Will police be allowed? right extremists? left extremists? pastry chefs?
Perhaps they can pass legislation on the rules of a revolution, and if it doesn't get derailed because of a media blackout we'll get some direction.
posted on July 18, 2001 11:51:33 AMNearTheSea
If you have the opportunity to go to the FSU regarding your business, I heartily suggest that you do...
I gained an enormous amount of respect and understanding of the culture (I am of German/Russian decent...Volga German is the term they use) in the 3 weeks I spent in the FSU last year.
Never in my experience have I seen such a collection of intellectual,educational, spiritual wealth so hamstrung by a nearly lawless, poverty stricken, 3rd world economy...
Interestingly, my friends there (in Ukraine) who prospered or were comfortable under Communism have nothing but contempt for the Democratic "revolution".
I found a country of ironies....my driver, who was a retired Russian airforce pilot, had a brand new car and a pretty darn nice Russian airplane....then there was my doctor friend who now makes 50.00 a month when she can find work....and the grandma out sweeping the streets, dressed in her full-length mink coat, to make money for food..
In any event, I found FSU citizens from areas as diverse as the very Ukrainian Lviv to the very cosmopolitan Odessa to share the same pride in their country and a generosity of spirit I have seldom seen here in the US...
So, if you find yourself in Warsaw (another lovely city to explore BTW), take the opportunity for a side trip over the border to Lviv (if you don't have time to go to Russia).....and see where much of the revolution against Communism never died....
Great thread guys....is it possible someone is looking for the word incite to describe a theme here...?
Not me...I already have the SS parked outside...don't need any more notoriety..
