posted on July 4, 2001 04:03:36 PM new
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jimnhow, if your numbers are even remotely correct about the sell-thru rate then it's showing that some of those old listings are being sold, which is very good news, indeed!
I know you directed your comment to jimhhow but using Bidville's data and a few assumptions that have assailed here, have broken down the total sales into approximate sell-through rates for both "new" listings and "old" listings.
Let's just say that the sell-through rate for "old" listings is NOT zero.
posted on July 4, 2001 05:11:11 PM new
This is one of the most ridiculous accumulations of meaningless posts I've ever scanned through...LOL!!
It really doesn't matter how "accurate" anyone's figures are regarding "sell through rates", etc. at BidVille. It is meaningless to argue any of these points and many of the posts indicate serious character flaws...some are very scary indeed.
I have no loyalty to any site, but I can say I've never frequented the Y-auction site after they implemented listing fees. I have a great sell-through at eBay...they have the greatest market share of actual-bidding viewers...who can deny this?? It's just plain ridiculous to try. I've had a decent number of sales at BidVille too, but comparing them to eBay is like Don Quixote flailing away at windmills as if they were giants. In all fairness, B-V has made several xlnt improvements. This alone is not enough to make them anything but a free auction site that DOES have potential. Given a few more important improvements and an advertizing campaign, B-V certainly DOES have xlnt potential. To deny that is folly and makes the "basher" suspect of many things...flawed-pseudo-intellect for one.
To BidVille supporters...your positive attitude is commendable. Keep requesting the major improvements, as they actually seem to listen and implement them over time. Remember, it does take time and investment capital to make major improvements. If B-V does implement the 3-major improvements I've requested/supported: user verification, improved search engine and a REAL advertizing campaign...your support will have paid off in a big way. All these ridiculous bashings will become as laughable as the pathetic individuals who've spent so much effort doing so are. Until then, it is simply wise to list some items at eBay for best results, while keeping listings at B-V.
To BidVille "bashers"...you're a pathetic lot. I doubt that you need to be institutionalized and doubt counseling will improve your reasoning. I don't know why you do this, but it must be something more than just "sour grapes". I'd like to add that I do understand some of your points and that for the most part they are valid. In the long-term scheme of things, however, most of them are meaningless. If B-V does implement the 3-major improvements...things at B-V will change dramatically, making all this effort to bash a total waste of your time and energy. The whole act of bashing an underdog is cowardly at best. To win any argument regarding this matter is little more than a form of mental-masturbation. Unless you actually get PAID to do this by another auction-site, I can not in my wildest imagination understand why you feel these "bashings" are of any value.
posted on July 4, 2001 05:36:05 PM new
Dimview,
I have not assumed that all items sold were first time listings.
I am working on your contention of the "warehoused" inventory relisting "ad nauseum". Surely you do not imply the sales are coming from these items?
If these items are not being sold, and there are sales, then the sales must be mostly coming from the new listings. Or at least the greatest part of the sales must be coming from them.
posted on July 4, 2001 06:18:04 PM new
jimhhow >
I am working on your contention of the "warehoused" inventory relisting "ad nauseum". Surely you do not imply the sales are coming from these items? If these items are not being sold, and there are sales, then the sales must be mostly coming from the new listings. Or at least the greatest part of the sales must be coming from them.
I think you should go back and review what I *did* say about the effect of inventory warehousing on the sell-through RATE.
jrbach >
In all fairness, B-V has made several xlnt improvements. This alone is not enough to make them anything but a free auction site that DOES have potential.
Potential? Potential for WHAT?
(Edited to add that ePier's CRAZY DAYZ should be fun. Is their an ePier cheerleading squad waiting in the wings?)
[ edited by dimview on Jul 4, 2001 06:24 PM ]
posted on July 4, 2001 06:45:11 PM new
"Of course we're talking about my definition. I'm the only person making calculations. So rather than dismiss my selection of a benchmark, why not take the opportunity to contribute your own calculations from time to time? "
posted on July 4, 2001 07:03:01 PM new
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I did, so now who is trying to deflect attention.
So now I'm trying to deflect attention? From what?
I am away from home right now, on another computer, with printouts of both the Bidville statistics and your numbers. And trying to figure out what your trying to accomplish with them.
What do you expect me to do right now this instant?
As an aside,
Bids on nine of 19 items, for a 47% personal sell-through rate. First item, one bid at $9.95; second item, one bid at $4.00; third item, one bid at $4.00; fourth item, started bidding at $4.00, but has nine bids at $17.50; fifth item, one bid at $4.00; sixth item, one bid at $9.00; seventh item, one bid at $4.00; eighth item, one bid at $8.00; ninth item, one bid at $19.00.
These very same items failed to elicit a single bid while on Bidville.
posted on July 4, 2001 07:11:49 PM new
LOL, LOL.... Dimview, I have this mental picture of you standing there holding these printouts, and asking me what I'd like you to do with them.
LOL!
PLease don't give me many opportunities like this. They are too hard to resist.
I know that those were not the exact words you used, but close enough given accepted margins of error.
Anyway, take a break, relax and have a nice rest of the Fourth of July.
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Do you really need to incessantly relist portions of other posts? I think we can follow the conversation without the reminder of what you are responding to.
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If the sell through of "old" listings is not zero, what do you assume/predict/guess it is?
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posted on July 5, 2001 04:53:03 AM new
The ex-Bidville items, now on eBay, continue to receive bids:
Bids on ten of 19 items, for a 53% personal sell-through rate. First item, one bid at $9.95; second item, one bid at $4.00; third item, one bid at $4.00; fourth item, started bidding at $4.00, but has nine bids at $17.50; fifth item, one bid at $4.00; sixth item, one bid at $9.00; seventh item, one bid at $4.00; eighth item, one bid at $8.00; ninth item, one bid at $19.00; tenth item, one bid at $4.00.
posted on July 5, 2001 06:04:22 AM new
Now we have to suffer through your incessant postings of your PERSONAL sell-thru rate. I thought it didn't really matter what ONE Seller sells in the way of statistics. Apparently you believe you're Special.
It doesn't look like eBay is paying your bills either. ALL those bids you CLAIM to have don't add up to much. I'd like to see the auctions you're talking about. What's your eBay ID?
How about on BidVille? OH, never mind I think I found you there
posted on July 5, 2001 06:33:57 AM new
I didn't have to look very far in fact you just dropped into my lap.
Dang! You must just sit there at your computer screen waiting to add your two cents to every post.
What's your eBay ID? I'd like to confirm your numbers. I question your statistics. If you want to spout them off I think you should at the very least back it up.
Why hide? What are you afraid of? Shouldn't you WANT everyone to know your various ID's so we can all go browse your auctions? Or are sales not your priority?
This is your third warning. Please review the Community Guidelines and remember that you are expected to treat your fellow posters with respect and consideration. Your comments are rude and uncalled for. Your posting privileges could be put in jeopardy if you continue to post in this manner. If you have a personal problem with dimview or any other poster, please take it to email or use your ignore button.
Thank you for your co-operation.
posted on July 5, 2001 07:30:09 AM new
I respectfully request the SAME respect be issued for ALL posters here. I have had much worse things said about me here by dimview and his little band of cohorts... The only difference is I don't run to the Moderators to point it out.
If he doesn't want people requesting proof of his numbers perhaps he should cease with the updates about his Personal Sell-thru at eBay. My question is a legitimate one and additionally, it addresses the inflamatory topic of this thread.
posted on July 5, 2001 08:01:39 AM new
This disclosure has been provided several times already, even once at the request of AuctionWatch itself, but let me repeat it:
I am not associated with any auctionsite, fee-based or free, except as a buyer and a seller.
posted on July 5, 2001 08:04:58 AM new
That was not the question. The main question is "What is your eBay ID?" I'd like to see the auctions you are referring to. Is that so much to ask?
posted on July 5, 2001 08:12:18 AM new
I think she's referring to my "Oh Joice ..." post a while back. I'm proud to be a cohort of DimView ( even though I'm an admited inventory wharehouser ). Those one-time somewhat inflated numbers from a dollar sale should not be the standard new items selling rate. The weeks before or after the sale should be deemed the standard.
The main question is "What is your eBay ID?" I'd like to see the auctions you are referring to. Is that so much to ask?
Yes, it is. Those who use the same userID for both AuctionWatch and auctionsites make the decision to do so. There are many reasons for keeping comments related to auctionsites separate from activities as a buyer and seller on those sites. That is also why I do not participate in the chatboards of the auctionsites themselves. Given that, I'm sure you understand my position.
By the way, I had hoped that Bidville would update their statistics page each week but yesterday was the end of their June 28 - July 4 week and there's been no update. Anyone hear any news on this?
As an aside, the item which has turned into something of a "bidding war" received an additional bid:
Bids on ten of 19 items, for a 53% personal sell-through rate. First item, one bid at $9.95; second item, one bid at $4.00; third item, one bid at $4.00; fourth item, started bidding at $4.00, but has ten bids at $20.50; fifth item, one bid at $4.00; sixth item, one bid at $9.00; seventh item, one bid at $4.00; eighth item, one bid at $8.00; ninth item, one bid at $19.00; tenth item, one bid at $4.00.
And not to worry, the auctions scroll off eBay later this afternoon and evening.
posted on July 5, 2001 09:06:24 AM new
jimhhow >
Careful, bidsbids, those numbers I posted were from before the $1-sale.
The impact of $1-SALE sales on the sell-through rate is likely to have been minimal, since the number of $1-SALE items was in the 6,000-items range both weeks of the sale.
Bidville's reported statistics (the last line entry) shows the first week of the $1-SALE and that's why I hope the table is updated to see if we can discern a trend.
posted on July 5, 2001 09:32:39 AM new
"There are many reasons for keeping comments related to auctionsites separate from activities as a buyer and seller on those sites."
It's too bad you seem unable to use the same rational thinking when reporting the auction statistics.
posted on July 5, 2001 09:41:42 AM new
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It's too bad you seem unable to use the same rational thinking when reporting the auction statistics.
I consider the assumptions that had to be made due to Bidville's not providing the necessary data at their auctionsite to be quite rational; I consider the estimations provided to be quite reasonable.
Let me also clear up another misconception. We are not talking about statistics here. We are talking about calculations, more accurately described as Fermi Calculations.
posted on July 5, 2001 09:43:13 AM new
To answer the question. No Bidville dont pay me.....
I sell & buy at bidville most of the people their are nice and helpful and friend. Bidville is a fast growing site and always improveing. My sells on bidville are OK I make some money yes some times but not in a long time I put items in ebay but with their charges I have to raise prices to make a profit. Some people do very well selling at bidville some dont and the ones that dont dont like it so they attack the site JMO. Some dont sell at bidville they just like to attack the free sites JMO. Basic listings at bidville are free they charge for the extras and they sell advertiseing (In other words they are a business and are trying to make money). Right now like all sites bidville needs buyer you never have enof buyers.
So to sum it up if you want to list free have fun with out all the rules and site charges come to bidville setup and sell if you dont like it there you can always move you dont have to sign a 5 year contract. Have a nice buying/selling day.
posted on July 5, 2001 09:49:47 AM new
I'm talking about ALL your reports dimview... not just the most recent in which
it was pointed out that your data was wrong. If you cannot collect the necessary data to make a report on a site, perhaps you should make no report. It seems like that would be more responsible than issuing your figures as though they are actually accurate.
Correct me if I am wrong. (And I'm sure you will.)
For a month you claimed BV had a 0.02% to 0.2% sell through. After your methods were incessantly questioned by me, you amended it to 0.8%.
Now, you proudly boast that your numbers were pretty close. I admit, the .8% isn't too bad in my book. But please remember, for a month you were way off. And I mean way off.
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[ edited by gottaknow88 on Jul 5, 2001 10:07 AM ]
posted on July 5, 2001 03:27:26 PM new
What I would like to know, does repeating this number scenerio over and over help anything? It is an evident fact "DimView" that this isn't going anywhere. Why so much focus on Bidville's numbers? There is tons of auction sites that could be investigated. The "Prez" has posted Bidville's numbers. So big deal! What if Bidville isn't up to par for you. Lets do something about it. Jabbering constantly about the numbers isn't helping the numbers. Maybe I am snow blind, and missing the point. What is the point? Thanks, Hillbilly
posted on July 5, 2001 05:38:09 PM new
The numbers may touted by Dimview may be a method of tempering the BV cheerleaders. It doesn't matter if the number is .2%, .8%, or 1.4% .. it does matter that the number is super tiny and the 93% relist figure matters a LOT too. The cheerleaders rant that BV is a super great place to sell and their items sell like hotcakes when in reality almost nothing sells on the site in general. The cheerleaders are as boring as the sell through numbers dialogue ......
