posted on July 8, 2001 07:41:50 PM new
Why does everybody have to pitch and moan and down right negatize another auction site.
I am so tired of hearing the dooo gooders, who do nothing but doo bad in their little tirades, about how an auction site is all wrong and gee not following rules, that they aren't even fully aware of the full facts of. These people think they must be the judge and jury on all these sites, and gee do they want to be the executioner too.
I Do wish people would quit falling for their BAITING to get your dander up, just don't answer them or give them fuel for fodder, let them foam at the mouth.
We all know the biggies in auction sites, and we all know there has to be others out there to help us all, so lets find a positive way to help all SELL SELL SELL.
and for all Buyers find everything they ever wanted, oh and yes for the right price.
posted on July 8, 2001 10:09:12 PM new
Just ignore and hopefully he'll crawl under the rock he came from. It's clearly no longer just about Bidville, but Dimview's need for the spot-lot. Pretty sad if you ask me.
Anyone else notice the huge increase in listings on Bidville? Usually, Bidville gets about 3-5 thousand additional listings a week. Well it's just popped about 16 thousand in the past 4-5 days. Wow. Pretty good. Maybe dimview's whinings are back firing (Although he does sell there).
posted on July 8, 2001 10:19:09 PM newJust ignore and hopefully he'll crawl under the rock he came from. It's clearly no longer just about Bidville, but Dimview's need for the spot-lot. Pretty sad if you ask me.
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posted on July 8, 2001 10:34:16 PM new
What's interesting is the incessant use of the word "bash" and "bashers" here.... it seems that any and all *criticism* of a given site is interpreted as "bashing" by those loyal to that site. Meanwhile it's open season on the "Big Guns," nary a peep of objection is heard when the eBay bashers are out in full force. Yet *every* alternative auction site I've seen is rife with problems, some more serious than others. Bringing these problems to light here & elsewhere is not necessarily a bad thing, nor is it necessarily "bashing" IMO--- discussing problems reasonably can often lead to a solution, when enough people put their heads together. Ignoring them or sweeping them under the rug is counter-productive and can harm a site far more than one or more users critical viewpoints.....
I have read dims posts and do not see them as bashing. He is pointing out the problems he sees and this is his right. If everyone thinks bidville is perfect they are wrong. No site is perfect but change comes through dialog. Bidville's feedback system is a great example of something that needed to be changed.
posted on July 8, 2001 10:43:55 PM new
The same thing used to happen when Goldsauction was active. Anyone critical of that site needed a bulletproof vest to post here. Guess what, the skeptics turned out to be right.
posted on July 8, 2001 11:20:59 PM new
I think it is fine to point out problems and suggest changes. The bashing comes in when time after time someone incessantly harps on one site and repetitive threads. Then it becomes a campaign.
It is even worse if that person decides not to post these, "suggestion" and helpful observations in the place where the administration of that site could and has responded to suggestions and requests in the past.
Please, don't get me wrong. There is nothing wrong with posting observations ghere, and even discussing them here. But let's not overlook the the obvious.
If someone is constantly bemoaning the shortcomings of a particular auction site here, day after day, wouldn't it make sense for them to "share" their insight at the site?
Am I wrong in assuming that if they don't post their observations and suggestions at the acknowledged site, but continue to harp on it elsewhere, that I must conclude there is another motive of which I have no knowledge?
How come it is okay to say that anyone who disagrees with that person is a "cheerleader", and their judgement must be clouded? Who is qualified to make that judgement?
Yes, in my opinion, anyone who continually criticizes a site and does not make a constructive attempt to help correct what they see as wrong, is a BASHER, and are using these forums for manipulation. I really think that AW should consider suspension, or at least moderation of these people.
You know very well what happens to a person with an opposing view on bidville. Do you think the "bashers" want bidville shut down? If so why? Dim does not insult anyone, why should he be censored? If you do not like his posts do not read them. I have adopted this policy with a certain person on bidville and it has worked great for me. Going to bed....
posted on July 8, 2001 11:36:20 PM new
wlashin,
"You know very well what happens to a person with an opposing view on bidville."
The truth is there are many different opinions there. That statement above is vague. What happens there? Do theuy get suspended, moderated. Warned for having an opinion?
No.
"If you do not like his posts do not read them. I have adopted this policy with a certain person on bidville and it has worked great for me."
I think it is time I put Auction Watch on 'ignore'
posted on July 9, 2001 05:55:12 AM new
Yes, I noticed the huge increase in listings on BidVille. WOW, I guess they can't call those relistings. Way to go, almost 700,000!
posted on July 9, 2001 07:10:13 AM new
I am not "bashing" I have just never understood the attraction to BidVille. I first heard about it when Yahoo went belly up in January, and I went to BidVille and tried it to no avail. Since we have very successfully sold on Yahoo, and are PS on eBay, and sell a variety of items, I just don't understand the attraction to BidVille - we couldn't sell a heater to an Eskimo there and I am not sure why as we are quite successful elsewhere. BidVille can have ten million listings but without buyers, well, enough said.
posted on July 9, 2001 08:35:50 AM new
jimhhow you say it so well, do enjoy reading your posts, you get to the point better than I can.
Mainly if a person really wanted to be constructive about a site, they should be working on the site owners to help get things right.
But when they come here and scream away, they do nothing to help the site in my opinion, and half the time are not telling whole truths.
Why must we try to drive a site out of business, for petes sake, there's room for all.
posted on July 9, 2001 09:25:33 AM new
Forget this whole issue of censorship. Let's not make this a moral battle about free speech (which really DOES NOT exist).
Dimwit can say what he wants. No one really cares about that. It's just the fact that he distributes a) wrong numbers and b) consistently attacks Bidville. He hates Bidville so much that he has chosen to sell there? Make sense? Not really. Well, if Dimwit will continue to post what he likes... others should have the equal right to post counter views. That's what it's all about. No one here wants Dimwit to be denied his rights.
I personally think people should just ignore him. He's really not offering any opinions of value. His objective credibility is clearly shot. Let him do what he wants and if he gets too out of line... some people should set the record straight.
Personally, Bidville is not the greatest, but it's pretty good for being free. I'm also seeing better results than I did on Yahoo!... which is pretty impressive. Bidville is making a lot of improvements that I like. They still need to continue this trend and to advertise. They're not the best, but probably 2nd best to eBay.
posted on July 9, 2001 04:05:35 PM new
RB,
LOL ~ I think you are right about the Eskimos!
I have sold several things on Bidville and I will tell you the attraction, from my point of view...IT'S FREE! I cannot sell $15.00 items on Ebay and make any money. BidVille just fits me.
posted on July 9, 2001 09:05:36 PM new
Opinions! Opinions! Opinions! They are like rectums, everybody has one. Some is pretty and some is ugly. Sometimes they hurt, sometimes they feel good. Some get inflamed, some is dirty. Sometimes they are clean, and sometimes they itch. Sometimes they blow a lot of hot smelly air, then of course sometimes they smell like a lilac. But one thing is certain, agreeing on an opinion is like pulling a wisdom tooth. There is something good about every auction site. Instead of continually babbling about what is good or bad. Each person should pick one he likes, and work to make it better. I like Bidville. I sell there and I buy there, so my advice to anybody, would be if you do not like a particular site, or the way it operates, then stay away from it. Shoot Far & Apple Butter! I hate beets, and I don't eat them either. Mercy sakes alive it doesn't take a rocket scientist to distinguish who likes Bidville and who doesn't. If you don't like it. Leave it at that and focus your energy into something more profitable. JMHO, Hillbilly
posted on July 9, 2001 09:50:43 PM new
Hillbilly it is AW tradition to have a site of choice for trashing. Another free site used to be the target till the famous censorship of these boards banned it from discussion. So it only became natural that Bidville be next. Check out the Yahoo boards and the same people are crying there. same goes for the Ebay boards. Most people here lead happy productive lives and spend time listing and buying instead of b#$#$#ing. However some just choose to B#$#$#ch
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posted on July 10, 2001 09:32:22 AM new
You know! I have spent quite awhile reading the posts at AW. And it truly seems to me that "dimview" surely has a coating of "teflon" He walks away each time unscathed by the cheerleaders. Why is this? Because from my view he evidently is pretty tight with the "moderators". This is not an accusation, but only an assumption. This place is like walking on broken glass. One thing about it. At the Bidville message boards, a person can at least walk away feeling some sort of gratification or satisfaction. You step in the ring with "dimview" you are not only sparring with him, but you are taking kidney jabs from the moderators. And some people actually believe AW is unbiased. Yeah! Right! and my 90 year old grandmother is a belly dancer in Las Vegas. Go ahead and cancel my membership or whatever you want to call it. I can understand why "dimview" would not reveal is identity at Bidville. His business would definately be sucking. Sort of what Ross Perot said about the American economy. A few short days, and I am truly full. Thank you, Hillbilly
P.S. No need for a warning moderator. Don't ignore. Just cancel. Hillbilly
posted on July 10, 2001 09:38:14 AM new
You choose to read his opinions when just a couple of clicks will blank his postings out, for an hour, for a day, or forever.
If his opinions bother you - it's your fault, not his and not the moderators.
posted on July 10, 2001 09:48:19 AM new
Stockticker--- *exactly* This forum has the disadvantage of being moderated, (which I personally don't believe is necessary), but it also has the distinct advantage of having the chat room equivalent of the Usenet killfile-- the "Ignore" feature. Utilize this feature well, and there's no need for *anybodies* posts to aggravate or ruin your day.
posted on July 10, 2001 10:21:55 AM new
LOL! To say these posts "aggravate or ruin" anyone's day MAY be a bit of an overstatement. I only know of one person who seems wholey consumed by it.
It is obvious there is a problem. The question is how is it going to be handled?
People hiding behind "generalizations" about BidVille are disrespecting MANY BidVille Sellers at once. AW rules lend to this sort of problem as Mass Bashing seems to be acceptable as long as you don't direct the comment to any one individual. Of course, when you are involved in a thread and being directly responded to, then an insulting "generalization" is thrown at you this is NOT
to be taken as a personal insult (even though you were just INCLUDED in that "generalization".
We have invited these individuals to bring it on over to BidVille, but alas that would not afford them the opportunity to publicly knock a small site with good potential.
I would love to come to AuctionWatch and enjoy or learn from the posts. Unfortunately there is a disruptive factor at work that does not allow this to be much of a pleasure lately. It would be nice if these boards were used in a more positive way, and it is a shame this type of continual negativity against one small site is tolerated.
posted on July 11, 2001 06:13:07 AM new
"We have invited these individuals to bring it on over to BidVille, but alas that would not afford them the opportunity to publicly knock a small site with good potential."
Nor would it allow them to run to Mommy everytime someone put the rubber on the road, and have that someone moderated!
A few of those who post on AW are chickensh1ts. They like the protection they get here and they don't want to come out and play in the real world
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