posted on September 21, 2001 07:28:57 AM"at least the price of gas should go down...."
I wouldn't count on that!
deliteful, I was referring to the fact that the bush campaign bought up or otherwise interfered with a number of sites which expressed views contrary to what was presented about him by that committee. Many of those domain names still exist but to enter them takes a person directly to the campaign or bush white house site now.
posted on September 21, 2001 07:51:13 AMI wouldn't count on that!
Oh, I dunno. Once we take over Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afhanistan, and Egypt and make them the 51st through 56th states of the union, respectively, I think we may see a slight drop in oil prices....
Barry
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posted on September 21, 2001 08:00:00 AMDon't sweat the small stuff and don't pet the sweaty stuff! (Who said that?)
Zilvy, that was, of course, a George Carlin-ism. Thanks for posting it, was trying to remember how that quote went just the other day.
For the life of me, I can't understand why reading from a teleprompter keeps coming up as an issue. Do folks expect Bush to memorize these speeches? I would much prefer he spend that studying time in careful deliberation and planning.
Today, I have nothing but pride for George W. Bush.
posted on September 21, 2001 08:08:12 AM
Not with the Texas guys in control of the price of a barrel of crude. Their profit driven activities are well known already.
Your comments, Barry, about the assumption of a role of global police is pretty troubling. Our interference in the affairs of other countries has built resentment around the world for decades, and Bush did appear to be spoiling for a showdown before the destruction of the towers. I started a thread a few months ago titled "Bush goes to war" or some such, and since then his direct affrontery has seemed as though he was doing the behaviors in anticipation of a reaction which he could use to justify a belligerent stance. This incident I hope is more than he imagined, but he certainly is taking the gift ball and running with it.
posted on September 21, 2001 08:16:47 AMI can't understand why reading from a teleprompter keeps coming up as an issue
Well, I think it's because when Bush speaks off the cuff instead of reading from a prepared statement, he frequently comes across like a complete idiot. It doesn't take a whole lot of intelligence to be able to read a teleprompter, though, and ANYBODY can look good if given good words to recite.
It does show, though, that Bush can at least read, which is a good thing. And hopefully, the words he read actually reflect his feelings and not just those of his speechwriter. And who knows, maybe Bush actually wrote the entire speech himself ahead of time? Don't laugh -- it could happen! Well, maybe not, but still...
Barry
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posted on September 21, 2001 08:35:48 AMBarry......All of your statements: well put!
Well, another day, and the Stock Market is another (nearly) 200 points down....Yup! This economy is definitely on up-side....
Hepburn...You say BENDED, I say BENT. You say NEIGHBOR, BEHAVIOR, FAVOR, etc, I say NEIGHBOUR, BEHAVIOUR, FAVOUR, etc.
I suppose living in England had something to do with this
But, coming from the President, I would have hoped that his grammar would have been a little more sophisticated...
Anyway, the ovation Mr. Busg received was NOT because he was so great, so articulate and everything else....No...It came about because AMERICA is scared, and we are grasping at ANY straw....even a BUSH straw. Any President would have received the same ovation. People DO rally in time of crisis, because something has to be done.....That does not mean that the "after-glow" will be permanent...
I couldn't stand it any longer. I've stayed away from here because of the Bush bashing--BUT-- Mr. Bush gave the best speech I have heard since MLK's "I have a Dream" speech. It was a speech that fit his personality and if he didn't write it himself he had a hand in it.
He was honest and sincere in his delivery even if he isn't the greatest orator I have ever heard. Teleprompter be damned. He knew that speech!
I perceive him to be an honest and sincere man which is why I voted for him and I thank God that he had the sense to put an experienced cabinet together.
I think the world better listen to him because unlike so many polititions he means what he says.
Has anyone noticed how close he and Lieberman seem to have become. I think that says alot.
The sad thing is that I am from that small town in Illinois (nobody called me, krs) we have app. 1300 people. The people killed in these attacks would have made 5 of us.
Well, anyway all I want to say is that first America is my country and Mr. Bush is my president. God Bless them both.
posted on September 21, 2001 11:14:27 AM
I do wish Bush had been able to say what he had said to a group of senators earlier in the week. I liked the ring and logic of it.
"I'm not gonna fire a $2 million missile at a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the ass."
posted on September 21, 2001 11:45:06 AM
When given a choice between sophisticated grammar or plain, easy to understand speech, I'll take the plain speech anytime. It's a lot easier to "fake it" with flowery words.
posted on September 21, 2001 11:48:51 AM
uaru, did he really say that? I love it!
I'm no big Bush fan (I voted for Gore... I even have a Gore/Lieberman t-shirt), but I was very impressed by his speech. His delivery was right on and it's just what we needed to hear.
He may not be very good at unscripted speaking (in an interview the other day I was cringing at all his "ummmm"s, "uh"s, and "ya know"s), but last night's speech was Grade A.
posted on September 21, 2001 11:56:12 AMWhen given a choice between sophisticated grammar or plain, easy to understand speech, I'll take the plain speech anytime.
The trouble is, Bush has neither. No one is asking for him to delivery "flowery" speeches. It would be nice, though, if they were coherent when not under the aegis of a teleprompter.
posted on September 21, 2001 12:06:54 PMMeya: It's a lot easier to "fake it" with flowery words.
Pardon my grandiloquence, but I do believe that your derision of so-called "flowery" oration stems from a presumptive, or shall we say a priori, misapprehension as to the effect such floracious terminology is intended to have upon the target audience. For example, while I typically strive to eschew obfuscation in all of my communicatory attempts, at the same time I seek to mellifluently appeal to the aural senses of those who would deign to heed my words. In this manner, I am frequently able to maximize the impact of my linguistic legerdemain.
I hope this clears things up for you!
Barry
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posted on September 21, 2001 01:04:45 PM
godzillatemple >>It does show, though, that Bush can at least read, which is a good thing.
You know, I was thinking the very same thing! But, then I thought, "His wife's a librarian - of COURSE he can read! He may not like to read, but he can."
I have this feeling that reading from a teleprompter is not all that easy, anyway. Reagan seemed to have difficulty with it.
El
"The customer may not always be right, but she is always the customer."
posted on September 21, 2001 01:08:25 PMI have this feeling that reading from a teleprompter is not all that easy, anyway. Reagan seemed to have difficulty with it.
posted on September 21, 2001 01:20:08 PM
Hey, Mybid. I like your map.
I'm at work now and it's Homecoming. Someone ran into a light poll near the tourist center which is hanging precariously on railroad property. I think a railroad guy is out there looking at it and talking on a cell phone.
Not terrorism just bad driving.
Calamity
posted on September 21, 2001 01:31:23 PM
It is not nearly so important how a man speaks as it is whether a man means what he says. Mr Bush may talk like a west Texas good ole boy, which he is. Like those west Texas 'boys' he also means what he says, which is more than can be said of some of our more eloquent politicians.
posted on September 21, 2001 01:56:27 PM
That is true...He DOES mean what he says: ask any of his BUDDIES, now that pay-back time has begun...He really IS true to his word...no matter how much this is costing the "small fry" like us... Even now, as we are ready for war, he STILL is talking about lowering or removing the "Capital Gain Tax"...Guess WHO, in the long run, is going to pay for this war...not the millionaires/billionaires/trillionaires who are running the country, No sir! cuz they are the ones getting the tax breaks...
I do not care for the man; still we have to do what we have to do...too bad I have so little faith in him...I could follow if Gregory Peck were in power
Edited for grammar
[ edited by shoshanah on Sep 21, 2001 01:59 PM ]
posted on September 21, 2001 02:00:03 PM
Yeah, he's a good old boy with a grandaddy who was a Senator, to say nothing of his dad. I just love how these politicians con some of us into thinking they weren't born with silver spoons.
posted on September 21, 2001 02:19:33 PM
In New England, no less.
Those of you who have chastized me for using bushwatch.com as a source of newslinks concerning bush may like to read the words of Jerry Politex, the owner and compiler of that collection of information, has to say about last night's speech:
"This evening before a joint session of Congress, George W. Bush gave the best speech of his career, bar none. He was everything a speech writer would want his speaker to be: passionate, articulate, firm, and confident. He made it clear that he was in the war against terrorism for the long haul, and so were we. He made non-negotiable demands upon the Taliban to turn over all terrorists, not just Bin Laden, and warned every country that harbors and supports terrorists to expect the full force of the American will to come down upon them. He celebrated the diversity of America, taking great care to defend the rights of American Muslims and Islamics. He praised the American people for their strength and fortitude. He put the nations of the world on alert in the war against terrorism, saying you are either for us or against us. That's what Bush said this evening, Thursday, September 20,2001."
[i]"President Bush said, "''The United States will be firm with terrorists. We will not make concessions.... If we find states supplying money, weapons, training, identification, documents, travel, or safe
haven for terrorists, we will respond. Our aim is to demonstrate to these countries that supporting terrorism is not cost-free .... We will bring terrorists to justice. We will ... identify, track, apprehend, prosecute, and punish terrorists. Terrorism is crime, and terrorists must be treated as criminals.'' This is what Bush's father said in November of 1988. As Jeff Jacoby wrote today in the "Boston Globe,"Like Ronald Reagan before him and Bill Clinton after, Bush did little to stop international terror. The result of that failure was to convince Islamist fanatics that America was weak and gutless, and to feed the audacity that led to the most devastating terrorist attack in US history." In other words, it's one thing to stand before Congress and take in wave after wave of applause. It's another thing to carry out the hard work of making your dream scenario for a lasting freedom come true. The difference between father and son, however, is the loss of over 7,000 lives in the New York and Washington terrorist attacks. We need to hope that Bush will succeed. We need to hope that words will be translated into deeds. We need to hope that the right deeds are carried out. For that, we'll have to wait. What is crystal clear, however, is that Bush needs to succeed, because if he doesn't, we will share in his failure, and the penalties will be severe[/i].
While Bush's speech writer had him say, "We will not tire. We Will not falter. We Will not fail," and he read it perfectly and with great feeling, the less impassioned parts of the speech dealt with the nuts and bolts of reality, like Pennsylvania Governor Tom Ridge being selected as the administrator to lead the fight against terrorism. This announcement received one of the largest bursts of applause in the entire speech, and we're not sure why. We will reserve judgement for the time being. All in all, however, the point of the speech was not to deal with the specifics of the undertaking, but with the calling of the nation to arms and the articulation of a vision of success, and in this respect George W. Bush succeeded beyond our wildest expectations". --Politex, 9/20/01 bushwatch.com
posted on September 21, 2001 02:26:45 PM
I went to school with a girl who wanted to be a speech writer and "put the words in the mouths of powerful men" (her words not mine). She did end up writing editorials for a small paper, but never made it to Washington....
I really don't think president's write their own speeches anymore (if they ever did).
I will say that this was a very good speech and I will give credit where credit is due. The president did have to "deliver" it and he did an excellent job. I didn't know he had it in him.... Given time, he may turn out to be a right fine public speaker after all.
I also just wanted to mention that I had never noticed, when he was our governor, that he had a "regional" accent.
posted on September 21, 2001 04:15:08 PM
"It is not nearly so important how a man speaks as it is whether a man means what he says. Mr Bush may talk like a west Texas good ole boy, which he is. Like those west Texas 'boys' he also means what he says, which is more than can be said of some of our more eloquent politicians."
I am reminded of a speech from our near past:
"I did not have sex with that woman, Miss Lewinsky"
Spoken with perfect diction, timing, phrasing, body language and tempo.
....Hi Shosh