Excalibur131
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posted on August 12, 2001 07:58:58 PM new
dimview -- "Not surprising." What do you mean by that?
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dimview
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posted on August 12, 2001 08:05:49 PM new
Excalibur131 >
No, it does not. It is a question and, as such, deserves a 'yes' or 'no' answer from each respondent. Anything more is a discourse about the subject that may or may not be related. Had the thread originator wanted to know what people felt about "the overall tenor of" BidVille they could have very easily asked 'How do you folks feel about the overall tenor of BidVile?' instead.
Such silliness.
Folks can answer "yes" only, or "yes" with an explanation as to their reasons; folks can answer "no" only, or "no" with an explanation as to their reasons.
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wlaschin
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posted on August 12, 2001 08:10:12 PM new
I use 2 sites, ebay and bidville. Both sites boards can get ugly. Aw had a article on "auction rage" is this more and more common? I have never even looked at yahoo (to many bootleg games, bidville is becoming bootleg heaven though). I wanted to know if other new sites are like this also (boards).
As for the rules being enforced on bidville we will see what happens. I expect to be suspended but the others will stay (racist comments, dims "picture" ect)....
Dim,
"I don't believe threads about seller-organized auctionsite sales should be locked by AuctionWatch, but Cuff could well cause that to happen given the thread hopping taking place in an effort to have other Bidville threads locked."
Cuff has managed to get most of my posts locked on AW.
[ edited by wlaschin on Aug 12, 2001 08:11 PM ]
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MichelleG
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posted on August 12, 2001 08:12:43 PM new
bidsbids - there has been no change to the standards required here at AW. I simply missed the comment. My apologies.
cuff
What is happening at BidVille can be easily attributed to the fact that when things got deafeningly quiet here, a bitterly angry mob of nasty little-minded trolls were sent in to stir things up at BV.
Good Job Dimwittians!
You comments are insulting and have earned you a warning. Please be aware you are still on probation from your last suspension and continued violations of the CGs will result in the suspension of your Message Center privileges again.
Everyone,
One more time - back on topic please or this thread will be locked.
Michelle
[email protected]
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CuFF
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posted on August 12, 2001 08:14:01 PM new
I have done no thread hopping. I do not (like a few in this thread) sit there waiting for a response to my post for hours.
I pop in, catch up, say my piece and am generally gone for a while. Works for me.
Goodnight AW.
CuFF 
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Excalibur131
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posted on August 12, 2001 08:20:05 PM new
dimview -- "Such silliness." I believe that by calling my comments silly that you just called me silly. This has offended me and I now formally request that the AW moderator suspend you from the boards without warning. I post this here so that you will see for yourself that this request has been made.
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dimview
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posted on August 12, 2001 08:29:04 PM new
We've focussed on the some of Bidville's enforcement difficulties, but here's my prescription for Bidville:
Begin a process of suspending (i) deadbeats that have continued bidding on auctions with no intention of making payment and (ii) those users that have failed to adhere to "executive orders" with regard to their conduct on the chatboards.
They should begin first thing Monday morning.
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toollady
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posted on August 12, 2001 08:48:49 PM new
wlaschin,
the best thing to do is to go to the other sites like epier,321gone, sellyouritem, etc and see for yourself.
Pop in, make a post saying hello and see what kind of response you get.
If you don't care for posting, then just read the boards to get a feel of the place.
321gone doesn't seem to be bad, nor sellyouritem and epier.
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RB
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posted on August 13, 2001 05:55:15 AM new
The Hydes are posting at Carnaby ... have a look. Their Jekyll alteregos continue to post at Bidville.
Assuming this has nothing to do with drugs or split personalties, what could it be that causes such a change in attitude when these people board hop?
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dimview
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posted on August 13, 2001 06:37:37 AM new
Its Monday morning, Bidville. You *can* take immediate steps that would go a long way to improving your tarnished image.
Begin suspending (i) deadbeats that have continued bidding on auctions with no intention of making payment and (ii) those users that have failed to adhere to "executive orders" with regard to their conduct on the chatboards.
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yankeejoe
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posted on August 13, 2001 06:39:58 AM new
Dimview,
For once, I mostly agree with you. 
I agree that deadbeats should be suspended, definitely!
I think maybe users abusing the chats could just be suspended from chat posting?
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RB
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posted on August 13, 2001 07:01:39 AM new
I think maybe users abusing the chats could just be suspended from chat posting?
Oh no no no no! If the New Rule is supposed to apply equally to everyone, then any suspensions for abuse on the chat boards should be sitewide. Heck, I know someone who was suspended on the chat boards who is also prevented from bidding and listing
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bidsbids
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posted on August 13, 2001 08:03:32 AM new
The 'auction rage' angle has me fascinated. What is to keep retailatory bidding/feedback from occuring after board readers see post/s that infuriate them? Many naive sellers use their actual sellers ID on the boards and they are wide open to this type of thing if they are being very opinionated on the boards. On most of the free sites this conduct is very easy because of the lack of cc verification. A while ago Dim was ridiculed here for not disclosing her BV seller's identity but she was 100% correct in not doing so as that would be a very foolish move and open her auction items up to every angry BV user that wanted revenge of some sort, the fabled auction rage. I believe cc verification on free sites would go a long way to alleviate this risk of auction rage for auction users.
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dimview
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posted on August 13, 2001 08:15:01 AM new
bidsbids >
A while ago Dim was ridiculed here for not disclosing her BV seller's identity but she was 100% correct in not doing so as that would be a very foolish move and open her auction items up to every angry BV user that wanted revenge of some sort, the fabled auction rage.
Yes, and since I refused to disclose my Bidville userID, more than a few of these same folks has e-mailed AuctionWatch moderators in an effort to silence me here, extending their "auction rage" beyond the auctionsite itself.
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Excalibur131
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posted on August 13, 2001 08:57:57 AM new
dimview -- "Yes, and since I refused to disclose my Bidville userID, more than a few of these same folks has e-mailed AuctionWatch moderators in an effort to silence me here, extending their "auction rage" beyond the auctionsite itself."
Do you have data to support the claim that "more than a few of these same folks has e-mailed AuctionWatch moderators in an effort to silence me here"?
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CuFF
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posted on August 13, 2001 08:59:13 AM new
Sometimes Auction Rage is the result of the direct involvement of the very people sitting around discussing it on another board.
hmmmm.
Does AW enforce it's rules?
CuFF
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kasmoon
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posted on August 13, 2001 12:35:01 PM new
Does BV enforce it's rules? Let's take a look at some of the rules outside chat and winning bidders are obligated to complete transactions. I am only using a few of the most prevalent broken rules I see when browsing, certainly not all.
http://www.bidville.com/reg/user_agreement.htm
#5.1 "Listings may only include text descriptions, graphics and pictures that describe your item for sale."
There are hundreds of ads without ANY item for sale. Many are the clique sellers family photos and hundreds of others are ads that only contain links to websites for direct sales. In either case there is nothing to bid on and no valid reason these type "auctions" should be allowed to remain yet they do and have for months.
#5.1 (continued) "All listed items must be listed in an appropriate category. At any one time you may not promote identical items in more than ten (10) listings (whether Dutch or Regular auction style) on our site."
Dozens of sellers have 20, 40, even 100 ads for identical items spread throughout dozens of unrelated categories. AW guidelines prevent identifying specific ads but if you browse much you know what I'm talking about.
#6.1 "Any items listed: (c) shall not infringe any third party's copyright, patent, trademark"
RB has already gone over that one many times resulting in the site showing zero interest in enforcing their TOS.
6.1 (f) "if adult in nature, shall be posted only in the Adults Only section"
The first time I browsed romance vhs there were about 100 ads and 90 of them were XXX. It's not nearly as bad as Jan-April but there's still plenty of porn in various regular movie categories.
[i]6.1(i) [shall not lists items that]
(cc) are concurrently listed for auction on a web site other than BidVille's[/i]
I browse eBay, Yahoo & BV for like items and constantly find the same sellers with exact stock on all 3 sites at the same time. Another topic entirely is the fact I never see a price difference between them in spite of the rumor better deals are on BV because sellers don't have fees.
Of course the rule breaking is not on BV alone, it's comparable on every auction site. On E & Y most of the violating ads & users get booted. Not so on BV but then anyone can get a new ID & be right back in business in 2 minutes. Perhaps that's why BV doesn't bother much?
As far as chat rules I see the disturbing & ugly name calling matches of the weekend as well as the thread with racist comments finally got deleted moments ago. IMHO the chat boards must be a scary sight to new users dropping in. BV should continually moderate (as opposed to taking days) or get rid of the boards completely. Users could create and moderate their own Yahoo or MSN chat clubs for BV where they would have power to delete all posts with dissenting opinions. Wouldn't that be a wonderful place-post 1 I love BV, post 2 deleted, post 3 I love it too, post 4 deleted, post 5 deleted, post 6 it's the greatest etc etc
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bidsbids
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posted on August 13, 2001 01:07:43 PM new
Right on post by Kasmoon!
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RB
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posted on August 13, 2001 01:16:31 PM new
Good post Kas...
I'm curious ... were the people who started those recently deleted forums and those who threw the personal insults towards each other, the site, "Him" and another entire country and it's people also suspended from all further Bidville activity? If they were, s'long to a couple of major BV cheerleaders.
I'm still trying to figure out the answer to the question that started this thread, and so far, the answer looks like a definite "NO - they do NOT enforce their rules".
Please let us know what happened to those who violated the New Rule
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jimhhow
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posted on August 13, 2001 01:28:02 PM new
Great idea Kas, users could also create their own clubs on Yahoo or MSN to bash Bidville too. It's a two way street.
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bidsbids
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posted on August 13, 2001 01:56:40 PM new
Did you read Kasmoon's post? You have control of the chatroom. ( unlike BV's boards )
"Users could create and moderate their own Yahoo or MSN chat clubs for BV where they would have power to delete all posts with dissenting opinions. Wouldn't that be a wonderful place-post 1 I love BV, post 2 deleted, post 3 I love it too, post 4 deleted, post 5 deleted, post 6 it's the greatest etc etc "
The possible anti-BV chatroom would hold no interest to avid BV supporters. ( unless you change your mind about BV )
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Excalibur131
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posted on August 13, 2001 03:36:47 PM new
Moderator -- are we allowed to bring quotes from other boards to AW boards?
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wlaschin
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posted on August 13, 2001 03:40:19 PM new
Please tell me where those are on another board?
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Excalibur131
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posted on August 13, 2001 03:44:58 PM new
They were on BidVille message boards and you know that as well as I do. Your own statement says "BidVille Auctions posts". The fact that they were deleted from BidVille does not negate the fact that they were generated there.
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RB
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posted on August 13, 2001 03:45:58 PM new
Well den it looks like ya got to talks like them there trailer trash if you be wantin to stay on that place ... ya know, talkin about yur shine jug and that there stuff.
[i]Please tell me where those are on another board?[/]
The fact that they were deleted from BidVille does not negate the fact that they were generated there
Can you provide some statistical data to prove that statement please?
[ edited by RB on Aug 13, 2001 03:47 PM ]
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wlaschin
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posted on August 13, 2001 03:47:20 PM new
How many people registered more than one bidville user name when they were offering "free forever before this date" in the hope bidville would take off and those user ids could be sold to other sellers so they would have no fees? Am I the only on that wasted his time on those many ids? Oh wait, those are NOT suspended. The answer to the post is bidville will pick and choose who to get rid of. I without a doubt desreve it, but I was not alone...
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MartyAW
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posted on August 13, 2001 03:56:51 PM new
Hello folks,
The post made by Wlaschin has been deleted because the quotes and information were from another chat board. It is unacceptable to bring these issues to AW.
This thread has been locked due to the combative nature of the thread and inability to adhere to the subject matter.
Marty
Moderator
[email protected]
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