posted on December 20, 2001 08:02:48 PM new
I have been thinking about the contrast between Jane Fonda and Mr Walker. Jane Fonda was never tried, yet she has been considered an infamous traitor.
She never put her life on the line, but in the opinion of many Americans she did put American lives in harms way and some consider Jane Fonda responsible for thousands of deaths in Vietnam.
Mr. Walker chose his side and became a fighter and in doing this, he was vulnerable too. But not Jane Fonda. Her actions sent thousands of Americans to their deaths while she luxuriated in America unscathed.
In November 1970, the Detroit Free Press quoted Ms. Fonda as telling a Michigan State University audience: "I would think that, if you understood what communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees, that we would some day be, Communists."
I don't mean to let Walker off the hook but the comparison is interesting. Don't you think so?
posted on December 20, 2001 08:27:44 PM newJerry Driscoll was an F-4E pilot, a River Rat. In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison, also known as "The Hanoi Hilton". Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed and dressed in clean PJs, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American "Peace Activist" the "lenient and humane treatment" he'd received. He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed (in front of her) and dragged away.
During the subsequent beating, he fell forward upon the camp Commandant's feet, which sent that officer into a frenzy. In 1978, Air Force Colonel Jerry Driscoll still suffered from double vision (which had permanently ended his flying days) from the Vietnamese Colonel's frenzied application of a wooden baton.
Okay, so someone clue me in. How does this story make Jane Fonda a traitor? I was under the impression she was trying to stop the war.
posted on December 20, 2001 08:30:28 PM new
I think he should be prosecuted, do not care to speculate on which charges.
Would contrast with Patty Hearst. She was kidnapped and forcibly brainwashed into the SLA, but still was prosecuted for her actions on their behalf; In contrast Walker's actions appear entirely volitional.
posted on December 20, 2001 08:32:53 PM new
Can someone tell me how it is that captured Taliban soldiers are able to "revolt", and overpower and kill some of their captors? Aren't these dogs properly restrained?
posted on December 20, 2001 09:45:36 PM newNotswift, go read that link krs posted. Jane Fonda was not half so much interested in stopping the war as she was interested in seeing to it that America lost that war. She used her celebrity to openly aid our enemy in that conflict and the KINDEST thing anyone can say about her actions is that she was young and incredibly naive when she made them. Contrast her open (and yes, traitorous) activities -- aimed at stopping the war, so you say -- with the activities of those here at home who opposed the war. Jane Fonda could have put her rear end into the peace movement at home and been heard loud and clear, but she chose instead to travel half way around the world and sit-in with the very people who were torturing and killing her fellow Americans. However any of us felt/feel about the Viet Nam War, I'd be surprised to discover another American (except Jane Fonda) who cheered when another American son was captured or killed.
Figmente, you've undoubtedly hinted at what's likely to happen. The U.S. will *have* to do something about Walker, so we'll have a trial, find him guilty, give him a long satisfying sentence, and a couple years later whichever Republican is in office at the time will pardon him
posted on December 21, 2001 07:04:26 AM new
The story that bothered me most about Jane Fonda was when she visited a POW camp and met American soldiers who had been prisoners a long time. Several of them passed her slips of paper which contained their social security numbers so their families and the military would know where they were and that they were alive.
When Jane was done she walked up to the commander of the prison camp and handed the slips to him with a big smile on her face. Those prisoners were subsequently tortured and killed.
Acutally, I hope Jane Fonda spends eternity in Hell, right where she belongs. She is the only entertainer I have ever thought that way about. And yes, I do agree. She belongs in jail - not as a celebrity. At the very least she should have been black listed from the entertainment industry.
I guess that doesn't make me sound much like MrsSanta but how can anyone do that to a person?
BECKY
[ edited by mrssantaclaus on Dec 21, 2001 07:06 AM ]
posted on December 21, 2001 08:04:56 AM new" she was young and incredibly naive when she made them"
NOT.
She was 28 at the time, which is an age that few can consider young in the sense of a person being old enough to take responsibility for his or her actions.
As to her taking arms, thre are photographs of her at the trigger of anti-aircraft guns wearing a helmet. Whether she actually fired a gun I don't know. In any case her speech makes clear that her intent in going was to give aid and assistance to an enemy of the United States and I believe that that is the first basis for a charge of treason.
posted on December 21, 2001 08:28:35 AM new
In all of the history that I've read, it has always been the practice of the conquering army to single out the opposition's mercenaries from captured soldiers, further single out those mercenaries who are from the same country as the winning army and then summarily slaughter them as traitors. This practice went from the Pacific Ocean to the Atlantic Ocean and it didn't matter if you were a Christian, Muslim, Hindi, Buddhist, or other - traitors were expected to die thusly. Of course, we're modern Americans and wouldn't dream of doing such things.
