posted on January 19, 2002 03:27:55 AM new
"In 1998, during the Clinton administration, the U.S.-based energy concern Unocal canceled plans to exploit massive natural gas deposits in Turkmenistan. They had planned to run a pipeline from Turkmenistan to Pakistan, where the natural gas could have been processed for Asian and Western energy markets. The idea was scuttled after Clinton ordered the cruise missile bombing of Afghanistan in response to a terrorist attack upon U.S. embassies in Africa which were planned and executed by Osama bin Laden. The pipeline would have had to pass through Afghanistan, and Unocal was given the message in Technicolor by Clinton's people that Taliban-controlled Afghanistan was not to be given any sort of financial boon.
Apparently, the Bush administration found no moral dilemma in dealing with the Taliban to get to the gas. Immediately upon their arrival in Washington, a vigorous courtship of the Taliban was undertaken by Bush's people. In fact, if former U.N. weapons inspector Richard Butler is to be believed, the Bush administration had a vested interest in strengthening and stabilizing the Taliban regime, because a stable regime would compel investors to revive the Turkmenistan natural gas pipeline deal. The Taliban, demon of the moment, was the Bush administration's idea of a 'stable' government. Stable enough, anyway, to see the pipeline through.
The connections between Bush and the Taliban became so close that the Taliban went so far as to hire an expert on U.S. public relations named Laila Helms, so as to smooth the way between the two regimes.
Meetings between the two nations continued at a high level, the last of which occurred in August, scant weeks before the September 11th attacks. All of these actions were taken to exploit the vast energy reserves in Turkmenistan for the benefit of American energy corporations.
The cozy relationship between Bush and the Taliban frustrated the investigative efforts of former Deputy Director of the FBI John O'Neill. O'Neill was the FBI's chief bin Laden hunter, in charge of the investigations
into the bin Laden-connected bombings of the World Trade Center in 1993, the destruction of an American troop barracks in Saudi Arabia in 1996, the African embassy bombings in 1998, and the attack upon the U.S.S. Cole in 2000.
O'Neill quit the FBI in protest two weeks before the destruction of the World Trade Center towers. He did so because his investigation was hindered by the Bush administration's connections to the Taliban, and by the interests of American petroleum companies. O'Neill was quoted as stating, "The main obstacles to investigating Islamic terrorism were U.S. oil corporate interests, and the role played by Saudi Arabia in it." After leaving the FBI, O'Neill took a position as head of security for the World Trade Center. He died on September 11th, 2001, trying to save people trapped by the attack, when the towers came down on top of him. The irony in this, simply, is horrifying.
In essence, the Federal agent who knew more about bin Laden than any living American was kept from investigating terrorist threats against this country. He was hindered because the Bush administration was desperate to cultivate the favor of the Taliban, who held terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden in great esteem, so as to gain access to lucrative natural gas deposits in Turkmenistan.
If these allegations prove true, Bush and his friends allowed this affinity to hamstring investigations that could have thwarted bin Laden's September plans. If these allegations prove true, everything since September 11th has been a massive cover-up operation in which American soldiers and thousands of Afghan civilians have died. If these allegations prove true, the Bush administration has the blood of thousands of American civilians on its hands.
If these allegations carry even the faintest whiff of credibility, George W. Bush and members of his administration stand in taint of high treason and murder.
On November 7th, 2000, a clear majority of Americans came to the conclusion that George W. Bush was unfit to govern this nation. For a variety of dark and controversial reasons, that conclusion was thrown over. Sometime soon, if the media's electronic web continues to carry these sordid stories of corruption, greed and death, the American people will come to fully understand the consequences of that failed election.
It is one thing to coddle and court a corrupt energy company for political and financial gain. It is quite another to coddle and court a murderous terrorist-supporting regime, hindering anti-terrorism investigations in the process, for the purpose of exploiting valuable natural resources. The former cost a number of people their retirement funds. The latter has cost thousands of people their lives. One is criminal. The other is abominable. George W. Bush is deeply implicated in both. There will be hell to pay."
--excerpted from the commentary of William Randolph Pitts
posted on January 19, 2002 08:47:41 PM new
That was an interesting article. It certainly shows how Bush has been active this year. Hey Saabsister: any of your media friends know about this one? Or isn't it "Liberal" enough to report on? I mean, WHERE'S the media converage, ya know?
posted on January 20, 2002 05:04:44 PM new"The central thesis of Brisard and Dasquié's book is sure to join the annals of 21st century conspiracy theories. The writers document negotiations between the Bush administration and the Taliban between February and August of this year. "
Less convincingly, they conjecture that the September 11 suicide attacks were the result of the failure of those negotiations."
But where's the fallout from this information? Why isn't it on every channel, on every newscast, in every newspaper? Because there are no more liberals left in the media, except as 'tokens' is why not.
BTW: I appreciate that link to the review of that book. I doubt that we'll be hearing about it in the USA anytime soon and if it ever does come to light, it will be dismissed as lunatic-fringe information.
posted on January 21, 2002 05:05:52 AM new
Pitt is a patriot in his own right, of a type mostly gone now and he is not reliant upon the story of O'Niell for his views. By that I mean that I do not think that he should be dismissed so easily by reference to a book which has been denounced widely, even while refuted not at all.
Remember too that O'Niell WAS selected to head investigations into terrorism by our government, two administrations, and is widely accepted as having been the foremost expert on th activities of Osama Bin Laden.
For him to resign in frustration over the strictures placed upon him by the current administration is telling, and tends to lend support to a need to question the prelude to the WTC attack(s).
The agenda presented as that of the Bush administration rings with truth. It brings too many actions into a clear and straight line which otherwise exist as loose and unexplainably strange und supposedly unrelated facts.
posted on January 21, 2002 08:10:02 AM new
Yes, yes, you're right, as usual. But WHERE'S THE PRESS?? Who, but Liberal Media would report such facts? That no one is reporting this shocking infomation on the Media proves that there are no more Liberals left in the Media, except a few token Liberals that know their place!
As far as what I now feel about Bush and his large contributing role to the WTC attacks, I don't dare write my feelings out in public here as the OHS might come bashing down my door and arrest me!
posted on January 21, 2002 02:17:47 PM new
Borillar, where you do suggest people get their news? Commercial stations? CPB? NPR? Pacifica? the web? You know as well as I do that the commercial stations have a bottom line and probably won't give us breaking news unless it's something that can't be avoided(Sept.11 events)or something thrilling (OJ car chase or the latest drive-bys for the six o'clock news). I believe,as krs said, that there are a lot of pieces that are beginning to fall into place in this puzzle- let's hope the cat hasn't eaten the most important puzzle pieces. ( I'm sure you know that the FBI and CIA can be antagonists, not to mention the other intelligence agencies. Those agencies don't necessarily know what the others are doing.)
My acquaintances are not on the front line of the news anymore. One got tired of shoving cameras in someone's face to get the reaction to his/her spouse's,child's,brother's death. And when his second child was born, he stopped following the campaign trail. Another is looking at taking her good news network from the internet to tv. Some manage stations.
Again, I think you have to ferret out the info for yourself from many sources. Krs found it. Maybe most people are too lazy to search or too drained from all the other activities in their lives. I don't have the answer.
An excerpt...the poem is very long. The best is on the link above.
The myth about the "liberal" press,
is such a joke, it makes one guess
it's all about misinformation,
a way to fool this weary nation
Its sad to see the way these jerks,
knowing that it always works
To suck-up to their corporate master,
and never once the truth go after
They only want to make a buck,
you can't have the truth, your out of luck
They have no shame, not one iota,
they just want to make their quota
But if they think about their mission,
which is to trick us by omission
they will see what they have lost,
and ask themselves: Was it worth the cost?
Yet there's some hope, there are a few,
Who merit praise for what they do:
Greg Palast is my first selection,
from BBC to cover the election
In Florida he found a paper trail,
of blacks who never went to jail
Named as "felons" by Repug spies,
so that Harris #*!@ could disenfranchise
Bill Press of CNN,
tells the truth time and again
Joe Conason of Salon,
he's one we can always count on
Mollie Ivins, like most Texans,
knows all about the Bush connections
Mark Shields and Al Hunt on CNN,
their still liberals till who knows when
Marie Cocco and Paul Vitello,
real journalists, that I tell you
Paul Krugman, on the economic situation,
clears up Repug misinformation
posted on January 21, 2002 06:11:51 PM new
Krugman was on Reagans team. Then he was working with Enron for big bucks. Now he is being questioned about his association with Enron.
But he dropped the big bucks to work for the New York Times.
posted on January 21, 2002 09:05:52 PM new
Also, WHERE'S DESQUIRREL?? I have been waiting for his unique insight into matters like this. A reputed Bush-disliker, I bet he can shine some light on this nasty case of World Trade Center Attack syndrom! Where IS he?
posted on January 22, 2002 12:07:22 PM new
I never said I was a Bush disliker, I said I wasn't a Bush lover or hater. I kinda liked McCain because of campaign reform (the biggest evil there is). But if the election were held again tomorrow I'd vote for Bush instead of the other idiot.
Ho, Hum another election, anoher scandal.
The major difference here is the weaving of elaborate conspiracies with thousands of participants, all of whom manage to remain silent, as opposed to the "great man betrayed" stuff.
posted on January 24, 2002 03:52:04 PM new
DeSquirrel, how can you possibly compare Clinton getting a blowjob versus the magnitude of Bush having preceipitated the 911 attacks on the USA? That for you, they come out to balance the same says a lot indeed! That if Bush, as corrupt as he is, as Anti-American as he is, the Elitist that he is (looking down his nose at YOU!) ... and you still would vote for him under ANY circumstances? Man alive! You've got some serious growing up to do, guy!
posted on January 26, 2002 08:45:19 PM newDeSquirrel, if the country could only have new elections as soon as tommorow.
Bush would win by a landslide instead of a squeaker like last time. A yearly poll just conducted by a joint commission represented by both the Republican and Democratic parties show that more Americans consider themselves Republican than Democrat for the FIRST TIME in the history of the poll (which started in the 1930s).
Over 70% stated that they're relieved that Bush won over Gore in the aftermath of September 11. This obviously includes a large number of democratic voters in addition to the republican voters.
The American people realize that Bush (as he promised before the election) had the foresight to place the most experienced and qualified people in the positions where it matters the most. This is the ultimate in effective leadership. Gore on the other hand like to take credit for and micromanage everything. He would have placed weak candidates in the key positions. Thank God and the voters of Florida that Bush won the election. I only wish you could have YOUR wish for a new election tomorrow. We could use an additional 4 years of the Bush administration.
posted on January 28, 2002 08:49:55 PM newMrBusinessMan, I refuse to let you derail this very important thread about the improprieties of the Bush regime with wildly inaccurate statements about what took place last election cycle and the nonsense about the majority of voters being Republican now, let alone the sheer nonsense that Democrats were relived that Gore didn't make it. The lies that you are repeating remind of George Orwell's Animal farm, where Snowball had courageously led the battle in the forefront against the Humans, only to later have the facts twisted around by the dictator Napoleon so that Snowball was supposedly charging in the forefront WITH the Humans AGAINST the Farm Animals! I can tell you for a fact that few people around here want Bush to do anything more than swing from the rail riding him out of town where he'd just been tarred and feathered.
posted on January 30, 2002 06:04:34 PM new
"The American people realize that Bush (as he promised before the election) had the foresight to place the most experienced and qualified people in the positions where
it matters the most. This is the ultimate in effective leadership"
No, it was and is clear from the outset that those people were selected for him, and that he himself was selected to run because he is an workable instrument. He didn't select them, they selected him. These people have been pursueing the same agenda almost since before dumbya's birth.
Bush is running nothing. Even his words and acts are carefully scripted for him.
If he slips they will assassinate him and he knows that, it's written all over his face. A very frightened man--a victim, a tool.
posted on January 30, 2002 07:45:53 PM new
Yes If Bush did these things he should be tried, But on the other side soemof you dems still sticking up for bill clinton ? What uis the big attraction ? there is a stack of dead bodies around this guy that makes al capone look like a saint. do the demora\cratic party a favor find someone a little less objectionable.How come the two us marshall's that picked up vince fosters body ion the park in wash dc were sent to wqaco same day and the first 2 killed next am no one would move 2 professionals from the one case to th other that fast, who ever order their re assignment was part of their murder, they were both shot in the back and the davidians did not do this. guess who was a snnniper that day just a coincidence lon horiuchi of ruby ridge fame al gore could have defeated the hanging chad if he would have been man enough to have got up and walked out and said he was not going to pardon bill if bill was indicted now gore is mutating into riker instead of claiming his victory and no9 I did nnot vote for either of them ralph nader was right if he could not beat that bumbling governor of texas he did not deserve to be in the white house
posted on January 30, 2002 09:17:17 PM new
Once again, Auroranorth: Please use a different English Translation program for your posts. The grammar and sentance structure are too difficult to read. What you are saying can not be understood. You may be using one of those free translation programs found on the Internet and they are not too good. We would like to have you here to talk with us, but you need to purchase a good English translation program to change whatever language you are speaking into English better.
Borillar
"Friends don't let friends vote republican"
posted on February 1, 2002 11:17:40 AM new
I suppose I should proof read. I want to thanks Krs for bringing this to light. It is an important article. You all need to quit waiting for some liberal press to appear. Mostly we have yuppies cutthroat corporate pirates with jewelry sticking out of perforations of their bodies. They don't give a damm about reality, all they want is to put a 25yr old blonde on tv with a tighter bra or no nra at all. Its really sad. In the 60's we could afford the war, the space race and the social programs, now they have stolen so much it adds new meaning to Churchill's. "never have so many owed so much to so few". I never thought I would do it but if Hulk Hogan runs I might give him a vote.
posted on February 1, 2002 12:51:02 PM new"I suppose I should proof read."
OIC. I was under the impression that you were a foreigner. Silly me!
As far as anyone waiting for the Liberal Press to reemerge, its going to be a long, long wait. So long as Americans are stupid enough to believe that Fascism is Good; that All Power to the Rich and the State is Best; that Security comes from giving up your Freedoms, rather than from getting an increase in your Freedoms; and that the Republican Party is "more Moral", then there is little hope for us and our freedoms. The other saying, "Those who fail to remember the past are doomed to repeat it." never rang truer than when the Office of Homeland Security was formed and given a GIGANTIC FOOTSTOMPING ABILITY on our freedoms -- all in the name of "security."
Borillar
"Friends don't let friends vote republican"
posted on February 1, 2002 01:29:04 PM new
Sounds like the bunch in power to me. those goofy leftists in Madison used to use a word that fits, Protofascist, God I love it I mean after all Put the borg implants in BUsh with the wording ""I am Bush"" ""you will be assimilated"". Have you ever talked with these people I mean top level power types ? most of them have ideas that would scare the hell out of the average citizen. One thing I wish Bush would do is go back to Somalia and identify those scum who molested the bodies of our servicemen and Hang them from lampposts. the article krs published needs to be out in the daylight.
posted on February 1, 2002 09:26:33 PM new"you will be assimilated""
Exactly what they are attempting to do to us.
"most of them have ideas that would scare the hell out of the average citizen."
Those ideas come from an elitist attitude that has been produced by people who measure a person's worthiness by their financial success. That there are other standards for measuring a person's worth that has nothing to do with money or possessions is beyond their ability to see and to comprehend. No, they feel that because they have sacrificed everyting in order to get to where they are at, that gives them the right to be in charge of the rest of us who have chosen not to go down that dark road of dispair.
"the article krs published needs to be out in the daylight."
Indeed! KRS manages to post reliable stuff that would shock Mr. and Mrs. Conservative if they only knew about it. Since the major media outlets are all owned by those who WANT it to go this way, the internet and word of mouth are our only means to spread the word on what is really going on. For instance, it was KRS who brought to our attention that the Missle Defense tests were rigged and other important news like that.
Keep up the good work, KRS!
Borillar
"Friends don't let friends vote republican"
posted on February 1, 2002 11:14:55 PM new
''they have sacrificed everything to get where they are ''
This is where we would disagree, I feel that a hard days work to these parasites is a 15 minute shuffling of papers to, say wipe out a pension fund (like Outboard Marine Corp) or authorize the filing of a lawsuit to prevent payment from corporate funds for crimminal activity they have managed to get turned into a civil suit (like exxon valdez still not having paid the money and now on page 86 in a 1/2 inch colum getting by with it),
or give themselves a raise that wipes out life savings of workers (like enron). They for the most part have not sacrificed anything. They will gladly pass integration laws but like for example the US Senate make sure that they dont have to obey them. They will pass gun control laws (while spending billions on forces to keep themselves in power) They spend their days stealing Lying theiving on a scale that would make satan blush. Conservatives ? those idiots who usually want to conserve something have not figured out that what they want to conserve is already gone. It's an improper use of the word. preventing a corporate entity from wiping out an endangered species is what a conservative should be yet they dont even care what happens to their country or it's people. I have seen them they managed to find jobs for asian refuges right away while doing nothing for the lives of the vietnam vets coming home wounded physically and mentally not to mention financially. I'm talking conservatives now not the elite they would not share a plate or rotting meat with a pitbull. Our history books are full of idiocy about men like Teddy roosevelt, here was a knob who when the workers in the ny subway wanted only to be reduced to a 6 day 14hr a day work week from a 7 day 16 hr a day work week he called these peole Copmmunists. It was greedy filthy rich imbeciles like these who gave birth to the marxist abortion. where are the Union leaders who used to have some guts ? where are the social activists when their own people are driven from their homes and neighborhoods and cities by thugs and miscreants. Where are these piopus chruch types when the goverment strips the citixenry of its right while engaging in an insane foreign policy that has made our country hated when our average citizen has done nothing wrong to people in far away places. they are all in a fascist lock sep that has no place for the ideals of ashington or Jefferson. Washington gave his silver for our first 3 naval ships, by contrast Clinton stole the silver from the last airship he was on as President. Bush mealy mouthes abouth the Taliban while making these secret deals with them that just happen to resul;t in the murder of the key witness to the deals. Bizzarre somehow a person who stands up for their own people is a freedom fighter and an activist as long as that person is not WHITE! There is big money to be had today in exploiting the non White majority. And enough lying self serving types around to help the tiny elite make themselves rich doing it. Where is the outrage over the murder by the Mexican government of the Native American population is Southern Mexico ? Where is the Outrage over the department of the interior pocketing the money from native American tribes ? The treasury secretary gets fined 600.000.00 and pays the fine issued by a federal judge with tax dollars ? 35 Billion missing dollars here ? Where are the activists making sure that pet owners get harassed like the knobules at peta ? Suggesting with a straight face that people of the same sex get married ? Campaigning for the right do do omething the majority population does not want shoved down their throat usually. Sorry that word sacrifice when put in the context of giving something of worth up dies noty belong in a description of the power elite of the world.
posted on February 2, 2002 08:37:49 AM new
I think that you arre expressing the majority opinion and you bring up many valid points. I think that you'll enjoy your time here in the RT then.
The only disticntion that I want to make is a statment: "Conservatives ? ... It's an improper use of the word."
You are right about that. REAL Conservatives are not these stupid, politically uneducated, hide their heads in the sand voters who call themselves such. For instance, *I* am a true Conservative! I am for what the Founding Fathers believed in, our traditions that come from them, and the American Way. Sounds trite, I know, but it's what I believe in. I am all for restoring a Democratic government that is representative of the people; that People come first, not the Rich and Powerful corporate intersts as is the current state of affairs in our government.
On the other hand, those who define themselves as Conservatives, based upon "values" would be surprized where their mentality actually comes from. That sort of thinking harkens back to the days when Royalty Ruled with an Iron Fist and the peasants got cornholed on a regular basis. The peasants were uneducated, believing in the Bible as the only source of knowledge; they were used as cannon fodder when the Royalty got bored and caused a small war for fun and profit. They were slaves that tilled the soil from sun-up to sun-down and were slaves to religion the rest of the time, burning their neighbors at the stake. THat is where the so-called Conservative finds his or her roots these days!
Borillar
"Friends don't let friends vote republican"
But WHERE'S THE PRESS?? Who, but Liberal Media would report such facts? That no one is reporting this shocking infomation on the Media proves that there are no more Liberals left in the Media, except a few token Liberals that know their place!
