bidsbids
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posted on August 31, 2001 07:32:23 AM
I would like to comment on telwil's statement of ...
"to protect my sells I dont want anyone to know who I am. To me if a person is speaking the truth and believes in what they say they dont fear what others have to say so they dont hide."
That has a lot of macho in it but the hard reality of life is that life is full of evil trolls that will rain on your parade at every opprotunity, especially online where they are relatively safe from harm. Some trolls go to great lengths to get back at people that are not in agreement with their views. Look at the news stories about bloodshed at abortion clinic protests for instance. In a perfect world everyone could use their selling/buying ID on message boards and have no fear of reprisals from trolls. The feedback rating of an auction user is a very important statistic and I believe everything possible should be done to protect it from the trolls. On auction sites where fees are charged, recovering these fees when a troll falsely bids/wins your auction is a major hassle and added with the time spent on your listing can total a considerable investment of effort. Why in the world would someone expose this valuable auction ID to all of the incredible damage that trolls can do when they do not have to do so? Some sellers possibly do it for greed to get increased sales as their auctions are only a few mouse clicks away on many online auction message boards. A few sales and few trolls, it all balances out? I personally find auction users that use their actual auction IDs on message boards either to naive or foolish. Just my opinion.
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Excalibur131
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posted on August 31, 2001 08:10:21 AM
dimview --- I see that you have chosen to not answer my questions from yesterday, yet you saw fit to selectively comment on a statement I made. While I am not surprised by this, since you have made the decision to ignore direct questions I have asked you in the past, I do wonder what your reasons are for not answering. I realize, of course, you or anyone else does not have to respond to anything on these boards, but it does make one wonder.
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telwil
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posted on August 31, 2001 08:21:15 AM
I dont agree I believe people use trolls as a excuse so they can bang away and hide at the same time JMO. People want us to believe they are sellers on bidville and hiding to protect them selves I say to believe everthing you read on a board is realy being gullable if you want me to believe what you have to say and take your comments seriously dont hide show me who you are as the old saying goes step up to the plate lol. Untill then dont expect me to believe you know what you are talking about. This is bad at that site this site dont do that Hay you may not even have ever been on the site as far as I know so get credibility go to the site make suggestion show them the problems as you see them dont be afraid they will not hurt you. Well I have work to do see everone later I have auctions to work on no time to play lol. All the above is just my opinion. Have a nice buying/selling day.
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dimview
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posted on August 31, 2001 08:31:29 AM
Rather than what *seems* better at Bidville, what would *be* better is for a Bidville representative to particpate in AuctionWatch discussions.
Imagine the improved image the auctionsite would achieve by presenting a professional demeanor here.
Talk about "free advertising!"
[ edited by dimview on Aug 31, 2001 08:37 AM ]
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bidsbids
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posted on August 31, 2001 09:10:57 AM
I believe the CEO of BV has a bit of a Latin temper and he sometimes has trouble controlling it so I can see why he stays away.
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jimhhow
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posted on August 31, 2001 09:19:09 AM
Sounds like a good suggestion to me, but you still have not answered the question. Rather you asked another.
>>>>Perhaps you, or someone else, should ask why Bidville does not have a representative discussing their auctionsite here. <<<<<
You are "someone else", have you asked them, throught their CS link?
My question is still:
Why should they?
You have offered no reasons, valid or invalid as to why they should come to these boards rather than accept input through their CS link, or even the boards on site.
>>>>They had no problem coming to AuctionWatch for a tirade, why not *now* to discuss something substantive? <<<<
Yes, and there was action and changes made on that exchange. Wasn't there?
Perhaps they came to you, now it is your turn to repay the visit.
edited to add;
Sorry, had not seen your most recnt post.
>>>>>Rather than what *seems* better at Bidville, what would *be* better is for a Bidville representative to particpate in AuctionWatch discussions.
Imagine the improved image the auctionsite would achieve by presenting a professional demeanor here.<<<<<
While meaning no disrespect to AuctionWatch, That is a matter open to opinion.
[ edited by jimhhow on Aug 31, 2001 09:24 AM ]
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toollady
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posted on August 31, 2001 09:25:17 AM
telwil,
Having been around the Online Auction community for awhile, I have to say there have been many instances where auctions are played with when a board dispute takes place.
Prior to transaction only feedback, many ebayers have board battle scars on their feedback.
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dimview
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posted on August 31, 2001 09:31:49 AM
This is *not* outcome-based education (OBE). There's discussion on the very points raised by a number of folks throughout this thread. I do not believe dimview will repeat comments when a reader only has to scroll up the page a bit.
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jimhhow
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posted on August 31, 2001 09:43:15 AM
Dimview - the internet's largest numbers warehouse.
What does OBE have to do with anything?
What is being suggested to you is that IF your interest in Bidville , ( as shown by the marked numerical advantage of editorial commentary in your stats reports). Why do you reufse to submit these suggestions through the channel that have been built for that. Instead, you maintain by implication that if the site does not come to youhere, then they are afraid of you.
Sounds something like the mountain coming to Muhammed, doesn't it?
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rulesenforcer
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posted on August 31, 2001 09:51:51 AM
COULD IT BE THAT DIMVIEW WANTS THE ATTENTION THAT AUCTION WATCH PROVIDES THEM WITH AND THEY WOULDNT GET IT OTHERWISE. I HAVE A QUESTION. WHY DOES DIMVIEW SOMETIMES REFER TO THEMSELVES IN THE THRID PERSON?
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dimview
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posted on August 31, 2001 09:55:03 AM
dimview comments on Bidville.
Bidville's users comment not on Bidville, but rather dimview.
Why is that?
fixed UBB.
[ edited by dimview on Aug 31, 2001 09:56 AM ]
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SmittyAW
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posted on August 31, 2001 10:12:11 AM
This thread has become too disruptive even after yesterdays warning. Therefore it is locked.
Smitty
[email protected]
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SmittyAW
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posted on August 31, 2001 12:33:50 PM
'After re-reviewing this thread, I have decided to unlock it on the assumption that you all can take this back to Topic, and refrain from addressing each other with personal comments, as per our Community
Guidelines. Inviduals that cannot adhere to the Community Guidelines will be putting their posting privileges in serious jeopardy.
Stick to the subject of Bidville's
performance, tone down the emotional level and comment on the subject not on each other.Remember, your Ignore button is always at your disposal.
Smitty
[email protected]
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jimhhow
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posted on August 31, 2001 04:28:47 PM
THank you Smity, I hadn't realized that we had strayed from topic as I considered perception of the performance at Bidville as part of the topic. Also means of requesting changes etc.
Dimview, I hope you don't consider my posts in this thread as attacks in any way. That is not how I mean them. I am asking the things I am because I, personally would like to see Bidville perform beter as I am sure many would. There is always room for improvement.
Currently, the recent changes at Bidville seemed to have everyone breath a sigh of relief that steps are being taken. Which by no means indicates that anyone feels the site is perfect, or that the steps are completed. The truth is there are many sellers, and buyers at Bidville willing to work to make the site one of the best. The feel of Management there also lends itself to that. We don't always agree, and some people do get out of hand. That is soemthing else that seems to be getting worked on, without stifling expression. That can be a difficult and tedious job. I am also sure that not everyone will agree with the way that is being done, but then you would have some one or other upset no matter how change is manifested. Agree? ( you don't have to)
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ballsandstrikes
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posted on August 31, 2001 04:54:53 PM
Jimhow, remember the geeks when you were younger who wished they could play with the popular people but were to afraid and spineless to try. So they huddled near the school wall cracking jokes and throwing rocks. Kind of reminds me of someone who loves to talk here but has not the backbone to go to the main playground.
http://ballsandstrikescollectibles.beckett.com/
edited to add Jimhow I have to poke at you a bit for copying and pasting so much. lol kind of ruins my ignore button lol 
[ edited by ballsandstrikes on Aug 31, 2001 04:57 PM ]
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bidsbids
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posted on August 31, 2001 05:04:23 PM
Looks like old Ballsand strikes is 'jumping on the sword'
Ball is in moderator's court now ....
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toollady
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posted on August 31, 2001 05:08:37 PM
This is just an observation, but, why is it that a ruckus has to be made to get changes are made at Bidville? And before anyone asks, yes, I am registered there. I had things listed under this ID and my other ID and nothing sold. I moved them over to sellyouritem before Bidville blocked the use of sellyouritem's import tool. Yes, some of the items have sold at sellyouritem.com.
I don't see nearly the amount of outrageous posts made at the other sites as I do at Bidville and the other place that shall remain nameless. Why is that?
I attribute it to the fact that the owners of the other sites have well trained staff to handle inquiries with straight forward answers and no attitude. It seems the places with the most problems are where the owners post to the boards on a regular basis with a total lack of professionalism in their posts.
Agreed, it is their site and they can run them any way they see fit. The users of the site, however, are the customer and should be treated as such, even if they aren't being charged for the service. If any one of us spoke to our customers how these owners speak to their users, they wouldn't be our customers for very long.
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ballsandstrikes
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posted on August 31, 2001 05:16:35 PM
Not falling on a sword. I have plenty of issues with Bidville. Of course I had the ummmm balls in my ballbag to post the complaints on their site AND remove all of my auctions. Granted with the changes I may begin to relist soon. I just call em as I see em!
http://ballsandstrikescollectibles.beckett.com/
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joice
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posted on August 31, 2001 05:29:16 PM
ballsandstrikes,
....Kind of reminds me of someone who loves to talk here but has not the backbone to go to the main playground. is insulting to another member.
I will not continue to do warnings of CG breaches.
Anyone insulting another AW member will be suspended without warning.
Joice
[email protected]
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bidsbids
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posted on August 31, 2001 05:37:17 PM
I just to say how much I appreciate Dim's numbers and analysis. Thanks Dim.
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joice
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posted on August 31, 2001 05:38:12 PM
ballsandstrikes,
I have deleted your post. If you would like to question my moderation, the email is below.
We ask that all AW members treat each other with respect. Not such a huge thing.
Joice
[email protected]
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wlaschin
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posted on August 31, 2001 05:42:56 PM
I think dims posts get more people to look at bidville than all of the cheerleaders "spreading the word". After all, how many people in the trailer park can there be?....
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joice
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posted on August 31, 2001 05:45:53 PM
wlaschin,
Your posting privileges have been suspended. You may apply for reinstatement on Sept 15 by emailing the moderator address below.
Joice
[email protected]
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ballsandstrikes
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posted on August 31, 2001 05:51:02 PM
You WARN MEdelete my post but SUSPEND the other post and leave it up????
I think you had better suspend me as well. I am done here before I say something that is beneath me.
PLease remove my ID and all of my info from this site.
[ edited by ballsandstrikes on Aug 31, 2001 05:56 PM ]
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joice
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posted on August 31, 2001 06:10:20 PM
ballsandstrikes,
For clarification purposes - Your post was deleted because moderation discussion is to take place in email. I'm sorry if I didn't make that clear.
Joice
[email protected]
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jimhhow
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posted on August 31, 2001 06:50:56 PM
Off topic a bit here, but I got to ask that we try to keep this on an adult level.
There may actually be some issues here that warrant serious discussion.
Ok, yes I am a " Bidville Cheerleader" I guess, but I thinksome of the people that are posting what they think are defenses of the site don't realize that there has been enough useless name calling and goat goring. The only way issues could be resolved is with intelligent, adult exchange. Not posts to try and rile anyone, that time has past.
Nuff said.
I can spell fairly well, typing is another story.
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ontime
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posted on August 31, 2001 07:49:39 PM
Yes, BidVille is becoming a fun, clean place again!!! It is a joy to be a part of the BidVille team. Exexc, You did have an opportunity to sell and help clean up the site before you left. Dimview, I still read your statstas each day after I relist my items. Ontime 
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RichHillbilly
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posted on August 31, 2001 08:33:40 PM
Fortunately the only people that read these threads pertaining to Bidville would be the detractors and bonafide Bidvillers. Then of course you have a few stragglers that happen on to the discussions. I know that a few Carnaby people will step in because many Bidviller's sell at both sites. So I feel the damage would be minumum. Personally I have not felt the effects of Dimviews sell through statistics. August was my best month in a year and a half of auctioning.
I have a little over 500 listings
Sold 301 sportcards for
$965.75
I am happy with those results considering I rarely feature or use the photo gallery. I do have to clarify that the boards at Bidville is still pretty calm. They are in my opinion "Worth a hill of beans"
I don't edit, I just write.
Hillbilly
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bidsbids
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posted on August 31, 2001 08:41:36 PM
I believe that there is a huge number of lurkers that visit these AW boards. Equally important, I believe the news media may use these boards for research purposes. Before the collapse of Yahoo Auctions the universal auction search engine here was vital for many auction sellers and buyers that were looking for certain items. Now it has cobwebs on it.
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justjoan
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posted on August 31, 2001 10:08:24 PM
All I can say is Bidville is being noticed, I am getting bids and buys and I'm very happy with the way things are going.
I will say that the owners that be, DO respond to suggestions. I asked for some additions in the one catagory and they helped right away.
They work with the sellers to get things working for our benifit, which then of course helps them.
Now I have asked for 2 yrs at Y for a change or more than other in one of their catagories, it's fallen on deaf ears for all those times.
This site listens to us on a personal basis, and I'm content. More sales happening each day and I'm selling a Heinz 57 variety of items.
So how is Bidville doing better and better as far as this ol bitty is concerned.
Joan
http://www.geocities.com/justjoansetc/
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