posted on July 8, 2002 10:18:48 AM
On that Bushwatch site, first thing was
If your not with us, your against us
Ok, and that was compared to Hitlers Nazi party taking out those and putting them in concentration camps, etc...
Yes people have been taken out, (Not killed, but detained, yes) and most of them, were they not, people whos Visas had been expired for years (which is wrong, other countries keep pretty close tabs on that kind of thing, Austrailia comes to mind here, they are pretty tough with their immigration laws) or people who had commited crimes against the U.S. like that '20th hijacker' who I am getting so sick of seeing his face on the news, and wanting all this stuff for his case, being his own lawyer, internet access etc ad naseum.
Hitlers thing was power and a Superior race and all that... Germany was NOT hit with a blow like 9-11 and 3000? killed in less than an hour, as soon as Hitler was 'elected'. Which perpatuated the Homeland Security etc etc here, and all this leading up to comparing him to Hitler.
Well hold on.
Of course you all do not like Bush, and all this corporartism (was that spelled right?
Now ok Question for all that think Bush is Hitler, or just plain don't like the guy:
Who would you like to see in there?
What would you have liked to see this person you want in there do after a 9-11? I have yet to see anyone come up with anything better to be done after the U.S was hit and that many lives lost in that short time on 9-11. (yes I've seen 'We should negotiate' But negotiate with whom????)
And the corporations. Would it be better to hand over all the reigns of all the corps. to the gov't? Or have gov't control inside these corporations?
Please enlighten me
And yes Borillar, though not heavy sedatives anymore, but heavy pain killers (still)
That is made public here, because Ken seems to think everything I say so nonsensical and commenting on that fact, that I am making that known, as this very well be a totally nonsensical post! LOL
But so far, you've all expressed your opinions on how much you do not like Bush, or his admin., policys etc.... have any of you been detained for doing this, or are you not still allowed free speech, here in this forum... it sure looks like you are, and all the internet sites and others (the book you can download on Hitler and Bush being 'related') are still going strong, and not shut down. So you all still have the free speech to say anything you would like about our gov't today and how its run.
You say Congress is 'allowing' the President 'free reign' on most things, without their approval... then what can you do about this?
You can elect new ones. You can start your own demonstrations and protests. You can hound the hell out of your congress person and get them to do something, aren't they supposed to be working for you?
Not all have been violated - yet. However, I can spot a few right off the bat without thinking about it. Such as, "+To regulate commerce with foreign nations" What about this recent bill that pass through Congress this last Spring like grease through a duck? It gave the PRESIDENT the power to make foreign trade deals WITHOUT the oversight of Congress!
Well you even say right there that Congress passed this... so BUSH was not violating anything or bypassing Congress on this.
Maybe you should look more closely at your Congress than your President, or what you guys call your resident.
posted on July 8, 2002 12:37:44 PM
NearTheSea, we are not saying that Bush is Hitler. We are saying far, far worse than that! There are close ties to the Nazi Party in Germany and the Bush family that can be firmly established in the past. If established in the present, it means that a foreign power - a fascist power is in control of our country - one that tried for World Domination and was stopped primarily by the United States. It means that We, Americans, no longer have control of our own government, but it is in the grips of a foreign, disgusting power. Does that make it clearer to you through those pain meds?
Now, how does one establish that the present Bush family is in cahoots with, if not explicitly working for the Nazi Party in Germany? I mean, short of a complete confession in front of the cameras? Right? Well, you have to look at circumstantial evidence and try to piece together the facts and make a picture of what is going on. That is what I would like this thread to do.
The Federal and state policing agencies have long tracked the American Nazi Party and the likes of the Klu Klux Klan. First, they infiltrated traditional Christian religious organizations and turned them into a mockery of Christianity with their version of Christianity that does not require you to think, but only to obey. They became church leaders and operators and with their stalwart flocks of mindless followers, all they had to do was to point to a political candidate, name him or her as an enemy "of Christ", and that lead to Holy War against that individual! And it didn't even have to be a political candidate - the list is long. But the short of it, the churches were infiltrated.
But, why?
Because if they went headlong into politics - as they tried in various ways with David Duke and his ilk, they never got any political power to matter. So, they had to hide - sheep's clothing, and the Christian Church with its new Fundamentalist interpretations was the perfect disguise. Except, those who opposed them were not fooled and saw through it. Any wonder why Clinton was so popular?
The next step was to take over a political party. The Republican Party had been very far to the right often enough to make their entrance into the party seemingly unnoticed. Oh, but there were staunch Republicans who did see it coming, and most of those took early retirement or quit altogether, rather than get mixed up in the vice-like grip that the Fundie Hoards that had descended upon the party had enthralled them. I've mentioned this before. Even very-Right Dole held on, but in the end, grew disgusted and disheartened and gave up politics.
The American Nazis had succeeded in infiltrating the Republican Party fully by the 1994 political upset in Congress with their front-man, Newt Gingrich. Newt was "in charge" of the New Republicans, but it was only to deflect criticism away from the fact that the Republican Party was now held in the grip of Nazis. In later years, some very prominent Senators of the Republican Party and so forth would have their ties to their Nazi past revealed to the public. For eyes that could see, it was all too obvious what was going on.
Those facts can all be established and that is just one rough piece of the puzzle.
Do you see what the discussion is all about now, NearTheSea?
posted on July 8, 2002 03:29:31 PM
Actually Borillar...its not any meds that are making things clearer or not.
I started to read this 'biography' and the first thing I came on the 'connection' is that Prescott Bush -GW's grandfather was a director of a section in a bank, and was ordered by the gov't to sieze the Nazi funds. And he did hold stock in one tied to the Nazi's. He held one share, while this other banker held 3000 something shares.
Think or look up, if you can, any other Americans that were doing business with the Japanese then, or the German Nazis. Were there others doing this, or was this Bush the only one??
Now about the now present Bush in the White House being a part of any Neo or otherwise Nazi party, no, I don't think so.
Ok that is my opinion only
About the election being 'rigged' from way back, I doubt that very seriously. For your sake, and all these others that believe this, I say I doubt this. I didn't say what I would believe one way or the other. It would take a lot more pieces of this puzzle to put together to make this theory the truth.
Now when you start putting this puzzle together completley, I'll read it.
Prescott Bush became a U.S. Senator way back out of CT. Bush Sr fought as a pilot in WWII. Now if we were fighting the Japanese and the Nazi's and his father was a Nazi sympathizer, now does this make sense?
I don't know. It is pretty far fetched. And there are a lot of books out there with theorys similiar, but not about the Bushs'.
Is this published by any publishing company and come in book form, I didn't look when I went to the internet version to see.
posted on July 8, 2002 04:29:25 PM"Is this published by any publishing company and come in book form, I didn't look when I went to the internet version to see."
I wrote to the authors, inviting them to come here and take a look - just like we used to here at AW.
That would be interesting to see the authors come here.
You can chat with them, because I believe this is about as far as I'll go with this, when trying to find out about these authors, the one Anton Chaitkin came up.
Anton Chaitkin is an historian and investigative reporter. Since 1966 he has collaborated with Lyndon LaRouche in the development of the LaRouche political movement.
I'm sure you know of Lyndon LaRouche. Is he still in prison?
I think thats all I need to know about these guys.
posted on July 8, 2002 11:07:05 PM
Nice try, NearTheSea. However, the book is too well documented to merely shrug off; no matter who put it together, you'd have to smear each and every one of those sources to defame it. The facts themselves remain and you can't change that. Be sure to tell your Boss that it only takes Two Witnesses . . . if he doesn't know what that means, have him ask one of his advisors.
posted on July 9, 2002 06:32:40 PM
NearTheSea: Art Bell just released a book. Here's one sample review:
"We've long known that Art Bell, night radio's paranoid propagandist, knows how to rave and rant. What we didn't know was whether or not he could read and write. An organized rumor that he is, indeed, literate comes to us in the form of an alleged "book" titled The Quickening: Today's Trend, Tomorrow's World. The question of Bell's literacy is not fully settled, however, because on the title page we are told there was an editor, one Jennifer L. Osborn, who had a prominent role in this publication. Quickening, unfortunately, was released this year by a firm labeled Paperchase Press of New Orleans, Louisiana. Added suspicion is cast upon Bell's claim to authorship by the presence of Ms. Osborn's name right under Bell's in a very suggestive position. After one dips into the book's pages, however, it becomes crystal clear from the chapter titles, the gloom-and-doom themes, as well as the litany of errors and misinformation -- plus the hysterical and repetitive exaggerations -- that the ideas, if not the words, are, indeed, classic Bell."
This is the sort of stuff that you bank by? LOL! I read a number of journalistic articles about Art Bell and they all agree that he's as looney as they come.
For a while there, NearTheSea, you really had me going!
posted on July 9, 2002 09:54:11 PM
Borillar, go dig into archives will you? The search feature, of my old name, I dont' think I used this one.
Yes! I do listen to Art Bell, and I have had a copy of the Quickening.
Why do I listen to Art Bell. Well try him out, after awhile, you'll see what he's all about... he has the best job there is....he gets to stay up all night and take calls, and you can tell by his voice just how much he really believes... Does he believe in all the aliens and ufo stories? No. But he's there to let America call him and tell these tales. And its called entertainment
Now the Unauthorized Biography of George Bush was not for entertainment purposes
There are a ton of consiracy theororist as guests on his show, yep there is. Does he believe them? You listen. When they talk, he usually answers with "I see" or "ok yeah"
Still listening to Art Bell most every night
Oh btw, I do believe he is literate, if you go to his website, he sometimes has his live webcam on his studio, I really think he reads all those "Fast Blast" emails himself, in fact his studio is in his house, he runs the whole thing himself
What did Art Bell have to do with Bush and the Nazis
posted on July 9, 2002 09:58:07 PM
Oh and you ask 'is this the stuff I bank on'
meaning the Quickening, the doom and gloom and end of the world stuff.
I dunno, I guess as much as I do bank on Apocalypse or what some have it as the Book of Revelations in the Bible its about the same kind of thing, ya know?
posted on July 10, 2002 11:26:40 AM
The point, NearTheSea, is that in a debate, SMEAR is Dirty Pool. It is that way because everyone has their Achellies Heel, something that they aren't proud of from doing something silly in their youth. Herr Henery Hyde's marriage infidelity of 29 years previous that came to light when he was trying to Impeach Clinton, for instance. Dirty Pool is played by those who have their backs to the Wall and have no dignity left to loose.
You were doing well before by looking at the facts and cleverly finding avenues to discredit them - minimizing Prescott Bush's role (for the moment ) was a good ploy and trying to derail the thread (politely: deflect attention away from) by pressing home the attack at an obtuse angle while keeping ON TOPIC was pretty good too! You are getting much better and I hope that you will consider continuing to show how tough you can be when you want to. Just, please, don't resort to the tactics of Last Resort.
P.s. I couldn't care who art is or WHY you would listen to him. I posted that as an example only. Sorry to have to make my point that way.
It records the movement to incorporate neo-Nazis into mainstream Christian Fundamentalism. See how the ideals of the Aryan Nations & Fundamentist Christianity compare with the books and lectures given by such people as Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell and many, many other current leaders of the Chrisitian Fundamentalists! Thier agenda? Political Power!
The Nazis move into the disguise of Innocent Christians and hide among the honest followers of the flocks of Fundamentalists -- but with an Agenda: To Seize Control of the Federal Government!
Smear in a debate is dirty pool, so you smeared Art Bell... ok.... well you can't blame me for looking up the authors of this book, because I do like Bush (please don't throw stones ) on most of what he is doing. (see I said most, and mean that, I disagree with some of the things he is doing or has done, overall, I think he's done ok)
The part about Prescott Bush, being 'connected' with the Nazis; this was brought out in Bush Jr's campaign for President, along with the booze and drug problems.
I do have to mention one more thing, that I forgot last night, sorry but Art Bell's book The Quickening came out in about 1996, maybe 1997, and above you have it as have a new book by Art Bell came out this year
sorry, had to put that there.... now I think I'm going to go melt by a fan, its HOT up here
posted on July 10, 2002 01:36:45 PM
One more thing (there is way too many smileys up there LOL)
Ok why do you put "Herr" in front of these American names, or these Americans? (yes I do know what Herr means in German; Mister)
Now wouldn't that be a little bit of smear there?
BTW do you think my name or family is connected with the Nazi's (only say this because I think you know my real last name, both my grandmother and grandfather came here directly from Germany;my fathers side)
posted on July 10, 2002 03:23:20 PM"BTW do you think my name or family is connected with the Nazi's"
LOL! NearTheSea! You have remember that I'm only a crippled fat slob sitting on the other side of the Internet (just South of you) and typing away. I have no interest in anyone's identify, as I'm here on for my stated purposes: Entertainment, Enlightenment, Education, and I want to do that with other who think like I do. That others who do not think like I do want to talk about the issues that I bring up is fine with me: just don't expect that I'm trying to change anyone's mind! Forget it! I gave it up a long time ago. And even if I did somehow discover your family name, what would I make of it? What does one make of an American? Does a foreigner automatically assume that all American Women are sluts because they run around unescorted into nightclubs? Are all Americans Christians simply because we live here? Are all Americans less bright than Busche, simply because one is supposed to send the Best and the Brightest of us to represent us and our intersts? If your last name is Anglicized from German origin, then half of Americans from european stock are also.
As far as "Herr" goes, I am trying to point out to the Reader whom I think is likely connected with the Nazi Party and this takeover by them of our government. That Henry Hyde is a Fascist is most likely not news to most Americans, but is he a Nazi? We'll see . . .
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