posted on October 12, 2001 04:48:25 PM new
New Announcement from the PREZ...
Go to:
http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/press-outside
and look near the middle left side...
This warning should not be taken to imply that any website which PayPal does not endorse, authorize, partner with or cooperate with should be considered fraudulent. Specifically, at no time did PayPal intend to imply that the AuxPal Auction Website (now functioning as BidVille.com) was fraudulent or that its owner/operator Dr. Edward Orlando was engaged in any fraudulent or improper activity. We regret if PayPal customers received that impression.
posted on October 12, 2001 07:09:36 PM new
"Special announcement regarding BidVille.com
In order to protect our customers’ privacy and security, PayPal provides safety tips to our customers, including warning them not to share personal and financial information with people, businesses, and/or websites with which they are not familiar. This has proven an effective means of preventing scams and other frauds that are attempted on the Internet.
This warning should not be taken to imply that any website which PayPal does not endorse, authorize, partner with or cooperate with should be considered fraudulent. Specifically, at no time did PayPal intend to imply that the AuxPal Auction Website (now functioning as BidVille.com) was fraudulent or that its owner/operator Dr. Edward Orlando was engaged in any fraudulent or improper activity. We regret if PayPal customers received that impression."
I don't find that announcement as an apology to Bidville. Rather, it is an apology to PayPal customers who may have felt that Bidville wasn't on the up and up and found out that it was indeed a legitimate ( ) website.
From what I remember, it seems Auxpal/Bidville jumped the gun on a potential partnership with PayPal and that is what has brought the 2 parties to where they are today.
posted on October 13, 2001 09:20:50 AM new
RB >
Can't go there dim ... need a password.
So Bidville put their OLD VIEW SALES INFORMATION in the password protected directory.
Not that it matters given the failure to provide weekly sales reports for six weeks now, but with all the yak-yak from Bidville about the super Premier and Premier Plus membership deals, one has to question the Bidville logic these days.
posted on October 13, 2001 09:36:57 AM new
Buzz, it's only PW protected if you're suspended. There are ways around that.
try this...
I will suppose that you have been banned from the BV site and when you try to access the site you get the message that you are suspended and uunable to access the site. I posed this scenario to my computer weenie friend and he says the reason is a nasty cookie that BV uses on suspended users. The normal cookie removal techniques prove difficult to remove this 'thing' but there is a simple way around the problem if you use a Windows OS. On the Start menu there is a 'Log Off' button. If you log off the main user it will semi-reboot/refresh and then ask for a user name and password. To make things simple you can login as something simple like one or 2 letters and press ESC to avoid any password. You are now logged in and all the old cookies are invalid, including BV's pesky suspended user cookie. To get back to your original set of cookies log off your new user account and get back on the other user user name. Or you can try a different computer to access the site but the BV cookie will still be on your computer.
posted on October 13, 2001 10:42:36 AM new
bidsbids,
I doubt very much that changing PC "identities" will gain access because sections like TrackPal (where the old sales information is located), "community," and direct auction activities such as listing and bidding are in actual password protected directories.
If there *is* a cookie, however, that prevents someone from accessing the auctionsite in it entirety, then I suppose the workaround you suggest will work.
posted on October 13, 2001 10:52:57 AM new
Hi bidsbids ...
There are several ways to get past BV's feeble attempt at preventing access, but I am not the least bit interested in going there ... too much porn for an old guy like me
I simply clicked on dim's link figuring it might be something interesting to read.
posted on October 13, 2001 11:12:51 AM new
RB >
I simply clicked on dim's link figuring it might be something interesting to read.
I was simply pointing out that Bidville deemed the PayPal apology as "news," but apparently sees their own sales information as no longer "news" worthy.
posted on October 20, 2001 01:11:23 PM new
Why should paypal.com apologize for a site that obviously ripped off their look, and attempted make themselves APPEAR to be associated with paypal.com? They did it at first, and then only fessed up after tons of hits and registrations.
Very shady dealing when a site makes itself look like another site in hope to gain the other sites customer base. That is exactly what bidville (aka auxpal.com at the time) attempted to do. Even going as far as saying you can only accept paypal.com on their site.
They leaned very close to a lawsuit, and it is quite amazing that paypal.com did nothing about it. Even today bidville.com has the same "fake paypal.com" look about it even with their navigation bar and colors.
We should start pbay.com and p on ebay's customer base.
posted on October 20, 2001 03:34:33 PM new
Complete speculation?
Not hardly. I remember and was watching the auxpal.com garbage happen. It even ended up being reported (not factual) that is was a hoax and another scam to get your paypal.com passwords.
Why would auxpal.com make itself look exactly (nearly) like paypal.com? To copy a wonderful looking site? Give me a break.
I may not know all the facts, but I clearly did see their feeble attempt at using paypal.com member base to launch their own site. Only to find that now, they may have a lot of auctions running, but very few bidders. Bidville is nearly a ghost town when it comes to bidders. Ironic twist of fate.
BTW, what ever happened to nobidding.com? The owner of bidville.com owned that failed site also. Now, it doesn't even exist. They claim they "merged" it with bidville.com. How about at least making the nobidding.com link go to bidville.com then.
And if they were NOT targeting the paypal.com customer base, then WHY does the site look like paypal.com (bad graphic rip-off), WHY did they ask for your paypal.com account information at first, and WHY name it auxpal.com when it started? Coincidence? I think not.
posted on October 20, 2001 03:42:26 PM new
kerrigirl,
Paypal and Bidville were in negotiations to launch a site called AuxPal.
Bidville jumped the gun and the deal fell through. PayPal made posts leading auction users to believe the site was a scam, when in fact, it really wasn't.
There is a pending suit brought by Bidville against PayPal for breach of contract. I don't know the status at this time.
posted on October 20, 2001 07:26:53 PM new
seems to me if someone knew the facts, they should have stated so to begin with, rather than attempt a sarcastic remark to another poster for not knowing all the facts. Did you know the facts Deichen?
posted on October 20, 2001 10:09:14 PM new
So if bidville had an agreement, where is the lawsuit? Where is the actual agreement and was it signed? What venue has the suit been filed in and does anyone have a link to the public notice of it?
posted on October 21, 2001 06:41:16 AM new
JMHO2,
I knew that what kerrigirl was saying was not right and I knew the basics of what was going on but not enough that I wanted to blurt out something that might not be all correct. Unlike kerrigirl, who is very uninformed but saying whatever she wants.
posted on October 21, 2001 09:19:25 AM new
As far as I'm concerned, if I'm wrong, I would like someone to nicely tell me.
You knew the basics but you were wrong in assuming it was an apology. Not much different in what Kerrigirl thought, is it?
Yet, she was jumped on. Whew, not a very friendly forum.
posted on October 21, 2001 12:40:53 PM new
Last time I checked, this was a message center for discussions, and that is exactly what I was doing: discussing.
I offered my opinion whether it was speculation or rooted in solid stone written by the hands of God.
If you didn't agree with me, I WELCOME an opposing opinion. What is a discussion when everyone agrees with you, but a BORING one.
However, I agree with jmho2, you can do it nicely, and not rudely. I always try to discuss the topic and not the individual (unless the individual is the topic ). I am aware that everyone has different opinions, facts, and figures.
posted on October 21, 2001 03:43:03 PM new
Actually, unless there is something on paper and signed between the two corporations, there will be very little for the court to decide. An officer, employee, incorporator, etc. is not responsible for any agreements, debts, etc.
That is my primary question, if bidville (aka nobidding, inc.) had an agreement, then where is the document and what did it entail? An employee of paypal.com could have been working with nobidding, inc., but that doesn't mean there was any agreement.
Sign on the bottom line, and then there is something.
posted on October 21, 2001 05:01:38 PM new
Kerrigirl,
The questions that you ask aren't going to be answered by anyone on these boards. I would not expect any discussion or display of such document by the two parties, even if there wasn't a lawsuit. Such information is regarded by most companies as confidential. At this point, I would expect that there is at least some preliminary memorandum of understanding or other preliminary agreement document. Without some sort of document, I think that PayPal could have gotten the case thrown out of court. Also the apology probably came from the proceedings in the suit. My speculation is that the lawsuit is deciding whether some preliminary documents constitute a binding agreement. Now all of my opinions are speculation, and the actual facts will come out from the resolution of the suit.
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