opals4u
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posted on October 16, 2001 06:56:59 PM
The CC verification of sellers is the absolute stupidest thing I have ever heard of! Why should a sellers even need a Credit Card? He is not the one paying for the auction item.
Now for the buyers it would make a little more sense. These auction sites have got everything backwards as per norm!
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kerrigirl
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posted on October 16, 2001 07:11:13 PM
I am afraid I disagree with the consensus here.
Credit card verfication for buyers is not a bad idea. While it would not eliminate ALL the problems, I can see it eliminate a few of the current problems. Here are a few that come to mind:
Shill bidding. Sellers who shill bid would be less likely to keep registering names with credit cards. It would also provide a tracking method for the auction site.
Non-Paying Bidders. True, this would not be completely wiped out, but there would be less likelyhood of people registering just to bid for fun, and/or to mess up sellers whom they might be competing.
Under age bidders. True, even a cat can get a credit card, but that is a rare instance. It would add some liability to the parents who allow their kids to use their cards or have access to them.
Bogus Contact Information. Ebay uses an InfoGlide Point-check system to verify the accuracy of the registered user. It has its flaws, especially if you know what the check system is looking for. However, verification of a billing address via credit card is a lot more accurate.
That is just a few benefits. I could see some bad things too. I am not completely blind:
Theft of your credit card info. This could happen ANYPLACE on the net that you use your credit card.
Less bidders. People are hesitant to give out more info nowadays.
Don't have a credit card. A lot of people just don't have credit cards, so that means they would not be able to bid.
Keep in mind that ebay.com has your bank account info and credit card info as a seller. Paypal does. billpoint does. AW does (if you use their services). Heck just about everyone and their dog has your info, and if they don't they could just as easily get it. It is your responsibility to check your billing statement and dispute charges.
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daredevil2010
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posted on October 16, 2001 07:15:25 PM
It's ironic that people here state that only half a dozen people on Bidville want CC verification. I can't really see the overwhelming majority here opposing it. In fact, I just see two individuals here that really oppose it and one of them doesn't even sell there.
I wonder about the intelligence of many people here. Bidville is doing it the smart way: Verifying Sellers and not buyers. What good is an auction site without buyers? I rather be at a place with 1 seller and 100 buyers than vice a versa. Thnk about about it. Buyers need to feel secure when placing a bid. They need to know that some form of seller verification has taken place. Would you send $100 to a seller without proper verification?
Who really cares if the buyers are verified? If they don't send payment... I just relist the item. In addition, verification is a small hassle. Buying should be hassle free. Now if Bidville continues to grow... buyer verification will probably become a reality. However, Bidville is not at that stage yet.
Seller verification is favors the bidder. This is what Bidville wants. This makes sense.
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daredevil2010
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posted on October 16, 2001 07:22:56 PM
Finally, I'm pretty tired of people coming up with credit card horror stories. No system is perfect. That's pretty much a fact. People here act like there's some other full-proof system out there that Bidville, eBay, and Yahoo are overlooking.
Cats getting credit cards? Prove it! A person once claimed he bought a Sony Vaio on Ubid for $9. Of course he was anti-Ubid. Well, I've been using UBid for almost a year now and I've never seen a Sony Vaio go less than $500 or so. An asteroid will someday hit Earth, should I build my underground bunker now? Let's face it here folks: rare accidents are just that... rare.
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holysmokes
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posted on October 16, 2001 07:26:33 PM
If they are going to verify they need to do it for everyone like Ebay does.
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daredevil2010
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posted on October 16, 2001 07:44:03 PM
holysmokes,
When eBay first started out they didn't require CC verfication. Then after awhile they required sellers to enter a CC. It was only later when buyers had to add a CC. I still multiple IDs on eBay without a CC number. So in a sense... Bidville is doing it eBay's way.
Also, CC verification is not FREE for Bidville. They must pay for the service. Are buyers willing to pay additional to become verified. NO.
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stavecards
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posted on October 16, 2001 08:01:20 PM
One thing missed in all of the discussion about verification is that the automatic relists were cut from 99 to 10. My preference is 5, but 10 is a definite improvement.
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kasmoon
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posted on October 16, 2001 08:03:23 PM
---"9. After November 6th, no member will be able to post auctions without being verified."---
How does that stop the bogus id's only there to harass peoples auctions by bidding soley to deadbeat & post negs? Or stop the bogus id's only there to disrupt the community? I'd have sworn those were the 2 problems people wanted verification to protect them from.
---"10. What happens to my current auctions if I decide not to get verified?
Any auctions you post before November 6th will not be affected by the new policy. These auctions will remain active even if you don't verify your membership. However, you will not be allowed to post any new auctions or relist any expired auctions."---
Huh? Can I possibly be interpreting this right?
A seller who wants to list fresh new items after 11/6 must pay to verify and re-verify every 2 or 6 months and will be limited to a 10 relist max while a seller who chooses NOT to verify can load up thousands of new ads before 11/6 and his will run like 8 years (30 day x 99 relist). Yet that seller doesn't have to pay to get verified so long as he lists no new ads in that 8 years?
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justjoan
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posted on October 16, 2001 08:10:23 PM
I think this is going to weed out all the tons of sellers using tons of ids and listing for 30 days 99 times and just disappearing. bogging the site down in tons of stuff that is not worth looking at.
I get very tired of looking thru a catagory and finding the same exact thing listed for 50 times....
I see some flaws in the wording on the CC notice, but have directed my questions to Bidville than to go on the boards and whine.
the few people who continually get on the boards like to talk and talk, and that's fine, but it's not saying this is all of the bidville members...opinions.
Just ol bitties opinion.
Joan
http://www.geocities.com/justjoansetc/
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RB
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posted on October 16, 2001 08:15:38 PM
"It's ironic that people here state that only half a dozen people on Bidville want CC verification. I can't really see the overwhelming majority here opposing it."
The majority "here" would be about half of that half a dozen! If you were invite *everyone* who commented on this originally at BV to this discussion to state their opinion, I believe you would see the overwhelming majority that you seek  I think most of the "group of 6" have been asked to refrain from posting here ...
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toollady
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posted on October 16, 2001 08:21:16 PM
Hhmm,
November 6th is the day that PayPal users with personal accounts will not longer be able to accept CC payments without changing over to a premium (?) or business account.
Is this a coincidence?
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RB
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posted on October 16, 2001 08:23:20 PM
toollady ... no, *that's* irony
"Cats getting credit cards? Prove it!"
If I had a scanner, I could prove it As a matter of fact, both of my cats are farmers with a very nice annual income, and both of them received their very own cards from Capital One. They were given a little bit of help filling out the forms though.
I keep these cards to show people how stupid the whole credit card thing is these days. When I was your age, it was actually hard to get a card - they just didn't show up in the junk mail 3 times a week.
Another thing that rips me about credit cards is the proliferation of marketers that hit up new university students to get a card or two. Who in their right mind thinks a kid going to university has any money? This is really dirty pool and leadeth these poor kids *to* temptation.
As for me, I got a card in my name, registered at "C" (so I could play in their forums), then promptly cancelled the card.
(Don't tell eh)
[ edited by RB on Oct 16, 2001 08:30 PM ]
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kasmoon
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posted on October 16, 2001 08:24:54 PM
Justjoan
Are you referring to me as whining?
LOL, if so you misunderstand. My advice is for people who don't want to pay to verify to go ahead & and relist all their ads right now for 99 relists and not worry about it.
That's not whining it's a money saving tip for my fellow sellers. If you want pay BV when you don't have to go right ahead.
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telwil
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posted on October 16, 2001 08:32:44 PM
I agree with Justjoan & Stavecards good points.
RB, What you said is news to me, noone to my understand has been told not to post on AW. Some people that have had problems with trouble makers that were suspended from Bidville have choice to stay away from the AW boards because they have made it their new home. I have seen some talk along that line. Also some feel like they are attacked in AW for sayimg good things about Bidville.
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RB
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posted on October 16, 2001 08:32:54 PM
Right on kasmoon
I wonder if McD's has any of those old "Now Billions Served" signs laying around?
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RB
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posted on October 16, 2001 08:33:45 PM
telwil ... well, I know of at least 2 who have been suspended during the past week
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exexec
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posted on October 16, 2001 08:36:42 PM
RB:
Just curious..... you got a credit card for your cat? Without a social security number?
How is that possible?
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joice
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posted on October 16, 2001 08:38:52 PM
Please steer clear of discussion of members that are suspended. Give them the courtesy they deserve since they cannot be here to support any allegations.
Joice
[email protected]
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RB
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posted on October 16, 2001 08:49:26 PM
Sorry Joyce ... another oopsy.
Think I'll quit this thread (at least posting) while I'm still ahead! Have a good discussion all ...
PS - just need to let exec know that I...AM...CANADIAN, and so are my cats (no such thing as Social Security Numbers here)
Night all
[ edited by RB on Oct 16, 2001 08:51 PM ]
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justjoan
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posted on October 16, 2001 09:18:53 PM
<kasmoon Justjoan
Are you referring to me as whining? >
Kasmoon, I did not say you were whining, I just said a lot of people are whining.
They all just ramble on about this and that and repeat and repeat. I would think if they really don't understand or want something then a message to the prez would get more results.
I have found in the past if I have a problem,that an e mail to them gets me the answer very fast. And when I've needed them to add something in one catagory, they were supper fast at doing just so.
They do pay attention and I think they are really trying to make this all work out for all of us.
I want to see this site stay a good site, it's worked a heck of a lot better for me than all my years on yahoo and ebay, and a lot more friendly, so if Verification on CC will help ok, but it didn't help yahoo, of course they insisted the buyers be verified too and that was the down fall.
Joan
http://www.geocities.com/justjoansetc/
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RichHillbilly
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posted on October 17, 2001 02:03:04 AM
You know the Hillbilly has to give his opinion. I was for Credit Card Verification. But it seems that the only thing that is going into place is more hurdles for the Seller's. I am not for Credit Card Verification if it is going to run good quality Seller's away. I am verified completely. But I know Seller's that has 200 positive ratings that do not have a Credit Card. Should they be made to pack up and leave? Not in my book. They are established. The Deadbeat Bidders is the big problem at Bidville. Not the Deadbeat Seller's. I basically am getting to the point to where I could care less what goes on anywhere. This is just my hobby, but it sure is starting to cause a lot of headaches. I'm thinking of seriously retiring and just become a buyer. It is much more enjoyable. How ya doing R.B.? Long time no hear. See ya'll Hillbilly
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deichen
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posted on October 17, 2001 05:24:55 AM
Right on, Hillbilly!
I just do this for a hobby, I love to find flea market and garage sale finds. In the beginning (I have been doing this for several years) it was fun and exciting. I loved Yahoo and would have retired there! Then they pi**ed me off and I went to Bidville. I have sold stuff there and I am appreciative of that but it has not been 1% of the sales I had at Yahoo. Still I thought, oh well...I will price my items at what I want and wait. We do not need this money (it does help), so it was more of a hobby. Then the changes started happening at Bidville and they have not been good. JustjoanI could care less if you think I am whining. I have re-edited my auctions on bidville so many times, because he changes the way we can do them. I have not had any bids in over a month and the last one was bad. So, this verification is probably the last straw for me at Bidville. I am getting tired of all of this. The verification is stupid because bidders do not have to verify and if they wanted to, why would they pay for it? Sellers, wake up. Bidders paying to bid, is not going to help you and the current terms, Ed is just wanting more money out of those who are there. Sucking everyone dry.
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opals4u
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posted on October 17, 2001 06:58:44 AM
daredevil2010
How about a drivers license? I think in this day and age there are as many adults that have drivers licenses as there are that have Credit Cards, maybe more, and the information on them is comfirmed in most states every few years, even a picture on them. Why were these not selected for verification, if the ONLY reason was for proof of identity?
Would anyone mind this being used for identification, and if so, Why?
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RB
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posted on October 17, 2001 07:29:44 AM
Hi opals4U ... It's a new day!
On the D/L thing, I consider my D/L to be just as personal as my medical records, and there is no way any venue is going to get that just I can prove to them that I am who I say I am. I don't believe I have to prove my integrity to anyone
You know, the only "real" solution to this dilemma is to simply buy stuff at malls and garage sales where you can see the item, touch it, and smell it, and talk to the seller face-to-face. The bigger the internet grows, the more scam artists and general disrupters are going to show up. If that heat bothers anyone, they should avoid it.
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ezinkjetstore
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posted on October 17, 2001 07:31:33 AM
I personally feel that the verification is a step in the right direction for Bidville. I know that there are some people who sell there without CC, and there will need to be an alternate method in place for those people.
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stavecards
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posted on October 17, 2001 07:46:16 AM
There has been a clarification in the verification process this morning. Any Bidville Premier member will be automatically verified and this verification will continue as long as the seller is a premier member. This means that the verification is free to premier members. If a person drops their premier membership, their verification will then continue for three months after dropping. After that time, then the seller will have to be subject to the new verification fees.
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RB
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posted on October 17, 2001 08:03:51 AM
He's created a logistics nightmare! You guys who think He needed help with timely responses to your questions before, just wait
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opals4u
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posted on October 17, 2001 08:15:14 AM
stavecards
What your last post sounds like to me is (in all reality) that if you pay them, they will say that they have confirmed you, even if you have not provided proof of idenity?
Just sounds that way to me because you can pay for memberships by check or Money Order and send it from any address ( not necessarily your own), I beleive!
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bidsbids
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posted on October 17, 2001 08:16:34 AM
He's created a logistics nightmare! You guys who think He needed help with timely responses to your questions before, just wait
You have that right. This should be very interesting to see how the BV management handles this tricky stituation. This is also like a study in human nature as the site users grapple with the verification fees on a very low traffic site. Almost soap opera-like.
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stavecards
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posted on October 17, 2001 08:41:59 AM
RB & Bidsbids
I am not sure that I understand your point on the logistics. If you don't mind, please explain.
Opals,
I am not an expert on the question that you raised. I know I pay my premier membership through my credit card so that would mean my card has already been verified. I know you can pay three months at a time by other methods, but I don't know if there is any type of verification in that process. This is strictly my opinion, but my guess is that the site is grandfathering any active premier member. This appears to be consistent with the policies of other sites that instituted CC verification. I know I have never had to verify my Ebay account to continue selling after they started CC verification.
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