barparts
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posted on January 2, 2002 05:57:39 PM new
Since I refuse to pay Bidville for mambership fee, I need to write this here. I was all for paying a one time fee to get verified over at bidville, but when they announced that they are implementing a membership fee to reverify every 3-6 months, It simply didn't make sense to continue with their service. I only sell real items and did not get into the cliche at bidville. If you don't sell commons sports cards and keep your shipping price under $1.00, you will not sell there. I do have many real items listed there and took advantage of the many relists option. But once they run out, it will be over at bidville, not that it will matter as I have not sold a thing there since summer. They have killed that site with the junk auctions and have driven away the real item bidders so I will simply have to concentrate on other sites that keep the junk auctions in check.
bp
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Excalibur131
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posted on January 2, 2002 06:44:55 PM new
Hope you find an isolated place that you are happy to display your junk! Car showroom brochures ... now there's some real junk!
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kodiheglin
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posted on January 3, 2002 04:04:09 AM new
Excalibur you can get that thorn out of your @ss for 63 Pokemon cards at any local emergency room.
barparts, sorry to see you go!
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Excalibur131
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posted on January 3, 2002 05:57:40 AM new
Thanks Kodi ... if anyone knew anything about removing anything from their @SS I knew it would be you. You've obviously had a lot of experience at the local emergency centers ... thanks for the tip! Its also pretty obvious to all of us that you have a double-standard and your New Years resolutions were a sham -- what a hypocrite 
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RichHillbilly
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posted on January 3, 2002 07:42:00 AM new
Just sitting in my lawn chair with my Frosty Canadian Beer watching the action. Hillbilly
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bidsbids
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posted on January 3, 2002 07:55:23 AM new
The other renewal option is $5 per year or 1.5 cents a day. If that's too steep then you can go with the 20 relists at 30 days or 600 days per item and leave the site. Items that have little chance of being sold can be listed in several places on the net at one time.
A question just popped in my head. Seller A has 100 items listed on BV and decides to not pay the fees. Seller A puts the 100 items on the 600 day relist and leaves and his verified status runs out. Will Seller A be able to manage those auctions once he's gone? Manage such as modify s/h charge for new postal rates, delete items sold elsewhere, etc.
Interesting.
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kodiheglin
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posted on January 3, 2002 01:58:41 PM new
Yes it's true, I always liked you Excalibur.
I have no idea what your problem is lately. But cutting someone down about what they sell is low class.
At least I try to make things right with people when there is a problem. All I ever see you do is #*!@, rag and nag. What a waste of intelligence.
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stavecards
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posted on January 3, 2002 02:17:22 PM new
Kodi,
Your criticism of Excalibur should also be extended to Barparts. His constant criticism of those that sell sport cards is what caused this response. Barparts has posted this same criticism many times on the Bidville message boards over the last several months. His claim that his items are more worthy of being sold has grown quite old to many of us.
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bidsbids
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posted on January 3, 2002 03:09:19 PM new
That's true you guys. It may be a lucky break for BV to lose barparts.
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Excalibur131
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posted on January 3, 2002 04:38:26 PM new
kodiheglin, my post was specifically to barparts and was an 'in kind' response to his own remarks. I figured that it kinda leveled the playing field a bit -- until I was attacked! Now you continue by insulting my intelligence. Its pretty obvious that you haven't taken the time to really read and understand many of my posts.
If I'm not mistaken, wasn't it you that said just a few weeks ago that you had no problems with card sellers, believed they had as much business being at Bidville as anyone else, and didn't feel that the term 'junk' in any context as to what a person sells was proper? If I'm not mistaken, there was an entire 'resurrected' thread that talked largely about those very subjects. Yet here at AW I get blasted and insulted by you for making a level playing field of barparts 'junk' comments. This appears to be a blatant double-standard to me.
Sorry if my posts offend or bother you. Maybe, just maybe, somewhere in them there is a word or two of truth!
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bidsbids
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posted on January 3, 2002 05:38:28 PM new
Speaking of sportscards at BV, I see they have passed the 500,000 mark now. If the book storefront guy ever leaves that would leave only 270,000 non-sports related items.
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stavecards
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posted on January 3, 2002 06:51:53 PM new
Bidsbids,
If you really think about it, the 270,000 non-sports cards auctions is actually a very significant number. This is more auctions than the total of any of the other small sites.
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YourDesigns
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posted on January 3, 2002 07:37:50 PM new
AW should create a Mad Cow area like Mootropolis.com. Seems to crop up all over the place lately. 
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barparts
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posted on January 3, 2002 08:49:51 PM new
I just proved my point about bv. With comments from Excalibur and Stave since I started this post, it is quite clear what the problem is. It also reinforces the cliche issues.
As far as a very few of my auctions are for automobile brochures, I will admit I also consider them as junk auctions, but there is a real market for them so all I do is provide them. The big difference is they are worth something and are not listed like a parasite like commons sports cards. With the few brochure auctions that I have, most people don't even see them so they can still look for what they were looking for in the first place. That is the main problem with the commons sports cards is that they have over run bv so badly, it drives all of the real item bidders away from the site.
Personally, I am gladd to be leaving bv and went back to Yahoo. At first I didn't understand the Yahoo listing fee thing, but once I started using bv, I began to understand all too well.
PS: As a footnote, I have sold more items in the past month at Yahoo than the total items I sold at bv the whole time I was there. And as far as it being slow all over. Only at a few selected small sites is that true. I know of many sellers that use ebay and yahoo that had record selling months including me. Glad I went back.
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robnzak
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posted on January 3, 2002 09:22:13 PM new
"With comments from Excalibur and Stave since I started this post, it is quite clear what the problem is. It also reinforces the cliche issues"
um, without getting into the debate, I would point out that Excalibur and Stave are about as far removed from the "clique" as humanly possible.
Rob
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kodiheglin
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posted on January 3, 2002 11:55:38 PM new
I gotta go back to my "shut up" theme.
I did not know the history of such comments.
Struck me as rude, but I am misinformed as usual. Apologies. My point was one man's trash is anothers treasure.
robnzak, in or out of the clique can happen to anyone at a moments notice.
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bidsbids
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posted on January 4, 2002 09:24:01 AM new
If you really think about it, the 270,000 non-sports cards auctions is actually a very significant number. This is more auctions than the total of any of the other small sites.
My opinion as to why BV has such robust listed item numbers is 1) of course its good luck timing at the "Fall of Yahoo" and 2) it is so easy to park items there with the 600 day run you can option for .. 20x30 days.
That would be a real pain on Carnaby and some other sites to have to relist every 10 days.
Maybe Excalibur and Stavescards can form a "Rebel Clique" on BV. Rebels R Us ... leave your Sketer at the door please.
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stavecards
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posted on January 4, 2002 03:41:35 PM new
Bidsbids and Rob,
I'm glad that those who are informed know that I would not want to be associated with the "clique". Not sure that I would want to be in a "rebel" one either. I kinda like my independent status. Don't worry if I form a clique, you must have passed fourth grade English and spelling to join.
Barparts,
Might be time to bury the hatchets. I'm glad you're doing well on Yahoo. I never left Yahoo and have done well since the listing fees went in place a year ago. My problem with your posts is trying to belittle the items that others sell. While some items may not be your cup of tea, they have a right to be listed as long as they are not illegal. I also don't think the large number of cards on the site affected sales in your area. I think if someone did a search for Chevrolet, they wouldn't get too many sports card listings as a return. Since the sell-through in any area is not great on Bidville (including cards), I think it shows the inability to attract new buyers in general to the site. I believe lack of advertising is the major problem, not sports cards.
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bidsbids
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posted on January 4, 2002 08:33:56 PM new
Stavescards, great post as usual. If you're not a clique member you're a rebel. You can be a freelance rebel or a union member rebel but you're a rebel that has rebeled against the clique.
One thing that I really like about Yahoo Auctions is their stand against porn. That took courage to shun the money that can be made of porn sales. Even family oriented sites like BV have their red light district as part of a future financial model. There's nothing wrong with porn per se it's just that it should be a niche item with strict age controls.
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robnzak
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posted on January 5, 2002 09:41:00 AM new
stave you must have passed fourth grade English and spelling to join.
LOL!!! thanks for the chuckle.
Bids, Yahoo did away with the adult category, but that hasn't stopped the listing of such material...I find it daily sprinkled throughout the site, most frequently in books.
I'm certainly no prude, but I do find it a bit aggravating to click one of the categories I list in to check the bidding/listing and see a gallery pic of a xxx video with a big ol weiner next to my cover of little house on the prairie.
Rob (cliqueless)
[ edited by robnzak on Jan 5, 2002 09:42 AM ]
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RichHillbilly
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posted on January 5, 2002 10:47:43 AM new
I don't know where I fit in. I get along with many Clique & Rebel members. Cliquebel. Thats it. I am Cliquebel. I would like to state that it shouldn't matter to anyone what the other guy sells. Whether it be a common sportscard or a pile of $h1t, as long as it is legal. The auction market is free enterprise. If I pay my auction fees, it shouldn't matter if I list 10,000 common sportscards. There is a demand for them. So that is up to the auction site to provide the space for for such a niche. Hillbilly
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bidsbids
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posted on January 5, 2002 12:11:06 PM new
Rob, I occassionally see some porn on Yahoo and when reported, Yahoo is very good about booting the offending selling. Since Yahoo is a credit card verification for all users site the booted sellers have some trouble getting back on.
Hi HB, I like those new photos you posted on your About Me page. You married some sexy looking women. If your gonna buy a car it might as be a sportscar.
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RichHillbilly
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posted on January 5, 2002 11:33:41 PM new
Thanks bidsbids!! I went through the sportscar fad in my twenties. I just drive classics & trucks now. I believe if I were to get a sportscar I would probably have to get a Vette. See ya! Hillbilly
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stavecards
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posted on January 6, 2002 08:24:25 PM new
Bidsbids,
I guess I will accept the tag as a rebel if that signifies independent thinking. I like to think that I am much like HillBilly. I am a supporter of the site, but that doesn't mean I will agree with every decision or every opinion expressed. What some don't realize is that a good intelligent discussion with differing opinions will usually produce a better idea than the original one expressed.
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RB
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posted on January 7, 2002 09:21:56 AM new
Too bad Yahoo doesn't have the same impetus to get rid of the bootleggers that proliferate on their venue. It's even worse that Yahoo advertises these illegal listings on their entertainment pages to bring in more ignorant and misinformed buyers!
But, I guess anything to keep the shareholders happy is OK. The graft that Yahoo receives just from the listing and sales of illegal homemade copies of "The Sopranos" tapes alone must pay the salary of one of their suits ... maybe their, ahem, copyright expert!
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stavecards
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posted on January 7, 2002 01:57:11 PM new
RB,
Maybe I don't know how to search properly, but I did a search for Sopranos in all categories and only found 2 auction listings which looked like bootlegs. Now we may have different definitions, but that doesn't look like proliferation or evidence of a site overrun with bootleg items.
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RB
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posted on January 8, 2002 06:41:16 AM new
Hi Stave ...
A very quick seach of Yahoo listings from links show on the television entertainment page (near the bottom of the page) reveals the following very obvious bootleg listings. I'm sure I could find 100's more currently listed on Yahoo - these are just the ones that Yahoo is promoting with a clickable link:
3 x The Sopranos
15 x Buffy
5 x Dark Angel
3 x Dawson's Creek
I think the reason the number of Sopranos boots has dropped is because HBO are fairly quick in getting these out commercially - that kills the garbage market as most fans prefer SP hi fi quality over a multi-gen EP dub.
If you want to get into the really high numbers of bootlegs, check out the animated stuff like Batman and Superman on Yahoo.
What a great venue eh - they provide free advertising with links to a seller's illegal listings
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bidsbids
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posted on January 8, 2002 08:04:10 AM new
Let the entertainment industry hire someone to go after the bootlegers on the high profile auction sites. If they don't deem it important than it's their problem they are ignoring. To make a personal crusade to hunt down bootleggers and report them to an uncaring auction site and entertainment industry borders on obsessiveness. Do you own millions of dollars in stock in movie companies and are personally effected? Why care about it? The real problem is in China where almost every movie is pirated and legit copies must be as rare as pirated copies are in the US/Canada. ( I know, pirated copies are quasi-common but not when compared to the millions of legit copies sold here as compared to China/Asia ).
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RB
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posted on January 8, 2002 09:31:22 AM new
You're right bidbids. This is such a small part of a large problem that I may just as well ignore it - become apathetic like you.
May as well not bother running into a burning building either to try to save 1000 people when the most I'd be able to save is 1 or 2.
Total waste of time trying.
Sorry for bringing this up ...
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bidsbids
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posted on January 8, 2002 02:05:54 PM new
It's a far cry from running into a burning building to save people and reporting bootleg auctions to an auction site that is apathetic about them. If the entertainment industry cared they would hire someone to try to at least make a token effort to stop the bootleg sales. Microsoft cares and actively enforces its copyrights on auction sites. The truth is that the entertainment industry does not care. There are so many wrongs in the world it seems a person has to pick a worthly cause to devote to such crusades.
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