posted on July 21, 2000 02:33:42 AM new
[b]I've got to think of the name of a place to go along with Hooters. It's only fair.
Any thoughts? [/b]
Chippendales!?!
Seriously, I've been married for 11 years to a wonderful person. I've always used my own first name. Neither one of us has expected otherwise. I can't imagine saying I'm Mrs. Joe Blow. It just ain't me, and any mail or correspondence addressed to me that way goes in the trash. If you don't know who I am, don't bother me.
posted on July 21, 2000 06:06:46 AM newI AM NOT Disgusted I happen to like seeing beautiful women. If women didn't want to be looked at, why do the majority dress in tight fitting clothes to highlight certain parts. Of course Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all women have something beautiful about them.
posted on July 21, 2000 10:27:19 AM new
twelvepole, I wear long flowing caftans that don't show off anything, and long tropical dresses and sarongs...I don't think I even own anything tight-fitting. I haven't worn makeup in over a year and my hair is straight with no 'poofies'... and yet, that doesn't seem to curb the ogling behavior. So that shoots that theory.
posted on July 21, 2000 12:07:01 PM newwhy do the majority dress in tight fitting clothes to highlight certain parts.
Because they're just asking to be raped, right, twelvepole? Isn't that how mentalities like yours think? And all those guys hassling the women at Central Park a few weeks ago, they were just having a little fun, right?
posted on July 21, 2000 12:26:58 PM new
Blondesense,
I think that keeping your name as you did is becoming more prevelant especially as men become more liberated and they are. They are part of the cycle of society, too.
Don't get me wrong, I love my husband but the hardest thing I had to do when I got married was lose my last name. I really felt lost. I didn't realize it would affect me that way. I'm glad times have changed and the wife keeping her name is accepted.
As for the name of a resturant I'm trying to come up with something which rhymes with Hooters yet says something about men. I'm not being very imaginative lately, too busy to be creative. The only thing I have come up with is Rooters but don't consider that very catching.
Twelvepole,
I think the same can been said about men. I don't know how many guys I have seen wear things which show off their attributes.
I haven't intended to start a war here but comment on society. Our society is becoming more respectful of each sex through our sons and daughters but we have a long way to go and maybe when these little girls who are primped and prodded into beauty contests grow up there will be an end to them.
Got to go incoming to the Tourist Center.
Calamity
posted on July 21, 2000 01:17:42 PM new Our society is becoming more respectful of each sex through our sons and daughters
I respectfully disagree, calamity. I think the situation is worse than it has ever been, thanks in large part to the deterioration of institutions like church and family, and the constant negative reinforcement of a soulless, flesh-peddling media. Rather than taking cues from their parents (because the parents either don't care or simply aren't around to provide guidance), many kids today are learning their values from movies, MTV, the internet, etc. And sex is at the core of it all, because sex is a great advertising tool. I'm no prude, but even I think things are out of control.
I glanced at a kid's show on PBS the other day called "In Between the Lions." I think it's about words and phonics, stuff like that for preschoolers. I was shocked and disturbed to see Dr. Ruth Westheimer featured as a regular character on the show. She plays "Dr. Ruth Wordheimer," who counsels letters "who aren't getting along well together." I have a great sense of humor, and I realize it's an "inside" joke for the parents watching the show, but I have to tell you, on a gut level I found it sick that they were using Dr. Ruth, even in jest, in a show aimed at kids three and four years old -- and on PBS of all places.
Nope, sorry, I don't think things have gotten better over the years. The only thing that's improved is the quality of the posturing people do to make it seem that they are sensitive to issues of courtesy and respect between the sexes.
[ edited by spazmodeus on Jul 21, 2000 01:20 PM ]
P.S. Upon rereading it occurred to me that my comment about posturing might seem directed at calamity. But I assure you that isn't the case. I'm actually referring to all the talking heads on TV who do lip service to PC viewpoints.
While I totally agree with you about the media (I think it is disgraceful but don't get me off on them I'll have a real calamvent like Kat's vent.)
There is a terrible breakdown in family life, too with parents completely ignoring what their children do.
When I wrote what I wrote I was describing what Kcat's way of raising her sons and the way I have raised my son and daughter and HCQ from the way she describes her son are free from Victorian and media restraints. I know there are other mothers and fathers who read here or post here who are doing the same. Then there are others who will not be enlightened.
Yes, there is much filth around for the children to soak up but some of us (I hope) are mitigating it.
I can remember when NYPD Blue first started. I boycotted it because for me the purity of regular tv had been compromised.
Don't get me wrong I am totally against censorship but I am for good taste.
posted on July 21, 2000 03:42:45 PM new
No Spaz, I think rape should be a capital crime and meet the same penalty as murder.
And I think looking is fine, touching is a no-no... just like a work of art. k-cat, I said the majority... not all
some women have a natural beauty and need no make up or other things... some do not.
If you name the restaurant where only young attractive and well endowed men wait tables, it should be called hungers, it sums it up well.
food and er.......
PS If you opened such a restaurant and turned away applicants due to their lack of attributes, lawsuits would be flying into the coutrooms. My guess is that in our still male dominated court system, the restauranteur would be bankrupt faster than you could say "Show me the merchandise"
edited for lack of an s
Kelly
[ edited by kitsch1 on Jul 21, 2000 03:48 PM ]
posted on July 21, 2000 06:28:06 PM newAnd I think looking is fine
Yes, and I'm sure women appreciate your hungry, leering eyes checking them out from head to toe. Bet they really get off on the way you make a show of turning your head to give them a once-over as they pass you on the street. What thoughts must run through their heads? Hope that strange man studying my ass works up the nerve to come over and talk to me ... Hope that fellow with his eyes locked on my breasts asks me to dinner ... I sure do appreciate the way he's ogling me even though we've never met and he's no one I would ever want to meet ...
Or is it more realistic to think that some women would like to be able to walk down a street or through a mall without running a gauntlet of men who like to "look." I really get a kick out of you "looking is fine" types, twelvepole. You're a bunch of self-styled judges conducting a warped beauty pageant in the confines of your own minds, where every poor woman you encounter is a potential contestant and reflexively subjected to your judging criteria -- breasts, ass, legs, face, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, next please!
I didn't really understand what women go through until I grew my hair long some years ago. Now, whenever I'm out driving on the highway with my hair down, I get to laugh at you "looking is fine" types, who come up from behind, see my hair then pull up parallel alongside me and deliberately slow down. I wait for the inevitable "casual" turn of the head, then casually turn my own to face them. Let me tell you, I think I must be responsible for at least thirty cases of whiplash. But my point is, a woman can't even go out for a drive without morons who think "looking" is their right ogling them. I just can't imagine that it's a fun way to live. And I for one don't think they should have to live that way.
posted on July 21, 2000 07:27:30 PM new
Well Spaz, I have some friends that probably would give you the once over too...
So when did you get castrated Spaz? Just curious.
The majority of women want to be looked at and admired. That's the world over, seems to me only the minority feel the other way... why else for the fitness crazes, the dieting? Women want to look good for thier public and their men.
[ edited by twelvepole on Jul 21, 2000 07:37 PM ]
posted on July 21, 2000 07:44:11 PM newsome women have a natural beauty and need no make up or other things... some do not.
...And some women don't wear makeup simply because they don't give a rat's patootey if some man thinks they NEED it or not. But still they stare because it is socially acceptable for a man to leer at a woman no matter how uncomfortable it makes her feel, no matter how she hates it, no matter how much she asks them to stop, and no matter how friggin RUDE it is to begin with!
Men don't give a shi@ if it makes a woman feel bad to be stared at...they're flat out going to do it anyway.
posted on July 21, 2000 08:02:50 PM newDamn right! That's why we are MEN. I have a right to look, if it bothers women that much..stay the hell home. Ok, then you can go do my grocery shopping for me and take the kids to school and to their golf lessons and make my twice weekly post office runs and all of my other errands for me so that I don't have to go out.
posted on July 21, 2000 08:18:47 PM new
No spaz I wouldn't... I have this thing about hitting women and it's just not done by me and shouldn't be done by others. I like to look and THAT's ALL.
Real MEN don't hit women or rape them or touch them without being asked to. Of course real men still have both testicles.
We just look at part of natures art.
K-cat sounds like you have a personal problem then, better find you a good man to take care of it. I wouldn't do it for my girlfriend either. Yep we broke up.
posted on July 21, 2000 08:21:30 PM new
Cat, you dont NEED makeup. She has gorgeous eyes...and shes tall, and shes blonde and the only word that describes HER is statuesque. Wish I looked like her, lol.
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