posted on July 22, 2000 05:16:15 PM new
Irene..yes I remember quite well. We had a field day, didnt we? Let me tell you, women can be as raunchy as men, oh yes. But thats ok, because it isnt the same thing, right? (Asking that last sentence sarcastically, in case y'all think otherwise).
posted on July 22, 2000 05:25:57 PM new
Remember also when AW had a web page which showed pictures of all the AW male executives? There were a lot of comments by the female posters.... I notice the pictures are no longer there.
posted on July 22, 2000 05:36:17 PM new
My sister is one of those bat-your-eyes-till-everyone-pukes types, so maybe I'm extra-annoyed by those gals cos I've been royally irritated by one for 40 years, lol
She is now on her 3rd husband...but there's a whole 'nuther thread...
posted on July 22, 2000 11:42:31 PM new
OK...I THINK I have read the the last few pages with some sort of cognisance(sp)and now I feel I need to respond.....
There is NOTHING in the world more exciting than a female dressed enticingly...naked is cool but Near naked is better!!!!
I will NEVER deny casting a glance at the sweetie in the tube top next to me in the grocery store...and if YOU have a problem with being atared at ....DON'T WEAR THE TUBE TOP!!!!!!
To Maui and Kcat...I seem to remember from pics that were posted awhile ago you are both attractive!!!!!
Keith
I assume full responsibility for my actions, except
the ones that are someone else's fault.
I was thinking after I posted my last thingamadoodle that I should have qualified women being somewhat as bad as men in the ogling dept. You have my apology.
I think it's time to let this one die a nice death. I'm proud of all of us. We had a discussion without anyone telling someone else to kiss off.
I just wonder what happened to porkdaddy?
Hey Kcat. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
calamity
Barry(stud)Barris, you can come back now. It's safe.
posted on July 23, 2000 01:01:24 AM new"All day long, women are bombarded by messages from the media, society, co-workers, etc. on what it takes to be desirable."
Spaz championing women's issues. Duh. This thread is a perfect example of how reverse sexism works. Everything from blanket statements about "all men are pigs" to "pity the poor tease/flirt because society made her that way." Oh, brother!
When I see an attractive woman on the street I definitely will give her a second look. And I have never noticed a woman offended by this. Maybe women who are offended by a "look" are ones I wouldn't find attractive.
As for women who demand looks by dressing in skimpy clothing or too much make-up, I don't find it attractive but sometimes I might stare in shocked disbelief. Maybe they consider that "ogling," I don't know.
My own preferences: Simply dressed, no flashy colors, long hair, no makeup, minimal accessories, healthy appearance. In other words, plain and fit. How ironic a thread that condemns men for "looking" when 90% of American women are fat and unattractive.
KCat, I don't buy the "I'm beautiful but I'm above all that" bit. In 10 years Boy Scouts will be offering to help you cross the street, and it won't be because they want your phone number. Enjoy life, don't try to "fix" future generations.
Women, not men, use sexuality either for leverage or as a weapon. Nobody blames them for that, any more than they blame men for throwing money around to impress a date. It's expected. As for the rest, "I am deeply offended by the constant ogling," yeah right. Is anybody even LOOKING?
posted on July 23, 2000 05:19:50 AM new
Slightly off the subject but thought you ladies might enjoy.
Man is driving on curvy road. Woman coming the other way leans out the window and yells, "Pig!". Man gets angry and yells, "#*!@!". Continues on his way, mad as hell, runs into pig around next curve and totals car.
[ edited by vogeldanl on Jul 23, 2000 05:20 AM ]
posted on July 23, 2000 08:06:20 AM newI have never noticed a woman offended by this.
Naturally, you are attending to other "items". The conflict here being objectification vs. empathy.
I might stare in shocked disbelief.
Try getting out more often. Sunlight is good for you.
While some of the opposite sex do not attract me personally, that does not mean they are unattractive. Merely another example of twinny attempting to generalize his own perceptions to society at large. It must be hugely frustrating to be rather completely ignored.
And who is to say that kcat is not growing more beautiful with age? Or that others might love a woman for more than mere physical beauty? I know many would happily value her as a person. And having seen pix, I can assure you people look.
Men don't use sexuality for leverage or as a weapon? Please do expound. Laughter is good for the soul.
posted on July 23, 2000 11:04:39 AM newKCat, I don't buy the "I'm beautiful but I'm above all that" bit.
Um, where the h@ll did THAT come from? I never said that...
Barry(stud)Barris, you can come back now. It's safe.
Yeah, where IS Barry???
Looking under the chair... no Barry. Looking behind the fridge... no Barry. Looking out the window... no Barry. LOL Probably hiding somewhere saying "I'm not getting involved in THAT @hit!" LOLOL
Barrybarris, come out come out wherever you are!
hehehe
posted on July 23, 2000 12:18:02 PM new
Zip
You sound like such a nice person.
Or that others might love a woman for more than mere physical beauty?
There are so many things to take into account when deciding if you like someone or not and to me physical appearance isn't even in the top 50. I would much rather meet someone who was kind and caring anyday.
Oddish~ The Odd One
[ edited by oddish4 on Jul 23, 2000 12:18 PM ]
posted on July 23, 2000 12:42:14 PM new
This morning I was at a movie collectibles show and there were a few 'celebrities' signing autographs i.e. washed up Playboy playmates. I definitely like to look at pretty girls but this was a truly pathetic sight. A bunch of over-painted up girls hawking nude pictures of themselves for a few dollars.
As far as 'ogling' goes, there are different ways to look at things. From a man's perspective there is no harm intended whatsoever (maybe). One of my sisters is only 5' tall and very pretty and she gets stared up and down all the time. Sometimes she is being looked at in a less than respectful way, bordering on threatening. The fact is, other than the pepper spray she carries she is defenseless. When a guy leers rather than looks or makes a comment she may feel physically threatened. I sure don't blame her for not liking that type of attention. If a woman were to make a comment at a man, even if he doesn't appreciate the comment in all likelihood he will never feel threatened.
I try, Oddish. There are times, however, when I find it difficult to live up to my ideals.
James, may I suggest Success with the Gentle Art of Verbal Self Defense by Suzette Haden Elgin. It is a worthwhile read. I also found the book valuable in pointing up some of my behaviors which others may find threatening.
Serendipity & Peace...
Oops! Hi, maui.
[ edited by OneZippyOne on Jul 23, 2000 12:57 PM ]
posted on July 23, 2000 01:03:39 PM new
Stockticker:
I didn't think it was an anger directed towards women who have done me no harm, except, perhaps, in being passed over in the coorporate world by women who have all body and not an ounce of brain matter - or even if they did they certainly weren't expected do be accountable for whatever position they held. I've spent 25 years busting buns "fixing" errors in accounting caused by inept, unaccountable, beautiful upper management women who don't have to perform to the level one would expect them to perform at. I was considered pretty and shapely in my younger years, probably could still be considered attractive in most eyes. Having had a mother (and I describe mother very loosely)who didn't care to teach her daughters how to be a woman I have never been able to get it quit right. The softness, the gentlness, the desire. I only learned the tough aspect of my self perception from my father. That perception is what others see in me. Sure the positive side of a strong personality is the consistency it displays, but it certainly doesn't warm up relationships.
So you are probably right in the end analysis that I am misdirecting my anger towards women who use the physical to personal advantage. Perhaps I'm just plain jealous of not knowing how to be a woman, and in having the ugliest legs God ever put on a woman!
posted on July 23, 2000 01:10:07 PM new
OneZippyOne: Thanks for the tip. I'll see if I can find it for her. Judging by the title it'll be right up her alley (she's no shrinking violet!).
Kcat, Afternoon. We need to put an "all points out" on Barry(where's Waldo)Barris. Now as to why I called him Barry(stud)Barris? Some might call it insulting and sexist but Barry is a cool guy. He is the epitome of a gentleman which means that we all can kid with him and he takes it as kidding. Which means that he has enough self confidence and security in his own manhood for us to do that. Same with JamesO. Maybe some others can learn from them.
JamesO, I am older but I carry the pepper spray, too. Tell your sister that it needs to be checked at times or something like that. Maybe some of our police buddies can get in here and give advise. That's where I heard about what you are supposed to do but can't remember it all.
Pepper spray saved a nurse friend of mine and she's the same age as me. She was walking into work from the parking lot and noticed a man lurking around. He disappeared but when she got to a door he was on the other side. She showed the spray container and he took off. Good for her that she had it.
posted on July 23, 2000 01:34:26 PM newSpaz championing women's issues. Duh.
What would be amusing if it weren't so pathetic is that the above comment was posted by the same man who earlier this morning, at another site, directed the following comment to Hellcat, whom we all know as an intelligent, strong and well-spoken woman:
Hellcat, you and several others seem to think that loading down your speechifying with $5 words will give it more weight. Do us all a favor and get laid.
posted on July 23, 2000 02:49:33 PM new
Spaz, you forgot to mention that Beth is also drop-dead gorgeous. Add that to her intelligence, kindness, strong personality....Im getting depressed thinking about all her attributes
posted on July 23, 2000 05:13:43 PM new
Ktsclutter: I haven't seen that in my own company through the years and I joined at a time when there was no such thing as a female executive. I can understand why you would find it annoying. In truth, however, the professional side of me would be far more contemptuous of the males who chose to hire incompetence.
posted on July 23, 2000 06:27:00 PM new
My wife & I have married it seems like forever, yet it, just seems like yesterday.
She is a stay at home mom, has raised two fine adults of opposite sex, with a little help from ole dad.
I have great respect for her as a person & as highly educated woman, who also happens to be my best friend.
With that said, I still open the door, pull the chair, always make sure she is comfortable before a trip, always request the band to play her favorite tune, ( Wipe Out. Should the drummer not be able to finish, I move him off the stool & finish up), carry her through a water puddle, kiss hand in public, send Roses to ask her out once a week & the list goes on & on. All in the name of love.
posted on July 23, 2000 07:13:38 PM newBarry is a cool guy. He is the epitome of a gentleman...
BARRY BARRY BARRY! lolol
Afternoon calamity... ROAAAR!
Oh, my let's see, what have I missed... someone up there ^ mentioned a book in verbal self-defense. Isn't it sad that such a book has to exist at all? That ppl can't just respect each other's basic human rights to be able to walk down the street without being hassled? And yes, wolfwhistling, catcalling, and ogling = hassling.
Some women like that. I have no idea why.
Now, I have to go see what everyone is talking about with the Survivor thread... hmmm...
posted on July 23, 2000 07:59:54 PM new
Hi, Spaz. You neglected to post your own extremely vulgar and profane comment to me, and Hellcat's "you are a liar" remark to me. Of course, I can't post your comment here because of the profanity. You know I only visit that board occasionally, but do you really need to drag all the dirty laundry back over here? As far as I know, I was well within the guidelines of that site.
I've read the second book in the "Gentle Art of Verbal Self-Defense" series (there are three books) and it was a very good read. Recommended.
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