tuition44years
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posted on February 4, 2001 08:42:06 PM new
Sorry Boldergirl but nothing here comes close to the personal insults being slung around in the BidBay singles chat. No wonder they shut it down .. what an embarrasment for a site to have that in plain view!
Also, read the financial statements and related notes ... then we can talk about the money 'George' is so generously giving away!
I have a memory like a steel trap .. unfortunately it's rusted shut!
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denephew
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posted on February 4, 2001 09:15:37 PM new
Tuition44years~~I have to agree with you totally! The singles chat at Bidbay was alot worse than a discussion of an auction site and their SEC filings. I haven't noticed anyone on this thread or in this forum posting the kind of mudslinging that was to be found on the Bidbay singles~~it was unreal! I do think they made a wise choice to end that forum over there!!!
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tuition44years
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posted on February 4, 2001 10:06:10 PM new
Denephew .. Did you see the last (I think) thread in there.. Hi, I'm Lamchop?
Two users (who post in here sanctimoniously calling people trolls) just tore someone else to shreads .. and it was about her personal appearance mostly! Made me sick .. and people say children are cruel to each other!?!? There is something MUCH lower than your average troll as evidenced by that thread.
I'd like to know why I'M a troll when I've never posted anything but my opinion (stated as such) or facts about things that are public knowledge.
Am I only allowed to post here if I say "Oooh! BidBay Rules! It's THE best!"
I have a memory like a steel trap .. unfortunately it's rusted shut!
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coolvette
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posted on February 4, 2001 10:16:45 PM new
Two users (who post in here sanctimoniously calling people trolls) just tore someone else to shreads .. and it was about her personal appearance mostly!
It appears you missed the edits the author of that thread did Tuition, check it and you will find abuse done with the edit button the next day after the thread was started, remember what comes around goes around!
~Vette~
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tuition44years
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posted on February 4, 2001 10:27:49 PM new
The Lampchop one was started on the 29th .. the other one I think you're talking about(?) The Truth about XXXX, was started on the 30th. I saw the second one first and made a post about what I thought of it. THEN I saw the first one and could not believe it!!
It may have been edited by the person who started it, but did it EVER occur to the other 2 people posting in that thread to edit out their posts as well? If I ever stooped as low as one poster in there did, I'd be editing as fast as I could out of pure shame!
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I have a memory like a steel trap .. unfortunately it's rusted shut!
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coolvette
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posted on February 4, 2001 10:42:35 PM new
The Lampchop one was started on the 29th .. the other one I think you're talking about(?) The Truth about XXXX, was started on the 30th. I saw the second one first and made a post about what I thought of it. THEN I saw the first one and could not believe it!!
Check the edits on the Lampchop one and you will find that it was edited on the 30th almost 24 hours after it was started. And while your at it check some of the other threads in there also and you will find edits on the 30th with a different ID. The Lampchop thread was created to harass by a sock puppet who abuses the edit button.
Some don't abuse the edit button and believe it should be done away with.
Why is this? Because of exactly what you experienced!
~Vette~
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auctiongallery2
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posted on February 5, 2001 05:17:42 AM new
Well boldersgirl.
I am not sticking a knife in George's back. I have spoken to the man and told him what I think of his business on the phone.
I have told him that he needs to get his contests in line because as they stand now they are illegal. Their eligibility requirements are vague at best, no odds of winning stated for their random drawing (which consists of people throwing darts at names on walls), employees/agents of BidBay have participated and won the contests, nothing stated in their rules about taxes the list goes on.
How about their charity auctions? The ones where people put up raffles for an item that the charity only sees 50% of. These are "raffles" held by every day users, not the charity organizations themselves. BidBay is incorporated in Nevada. I wonder what the Nevada Gaming or Gambling Commission (I honestly don't know their name)would think about that...or their Sports Pools for that fact.
I know I'm gonna get flamed hard now from some diehard BidBayers, but the simple fact is it is these murky areas BidBay keeps attempting to wade through that have concerned me.
It is things like this among others that have created integrity issues that have been spoken about here, and elsewhere in the online auction community.
I have been very upfront about my feelings regarding BidBay to George, however not everyone over there can say that about themselves. Usually because they are waiting for yet another crumb to fall from George's plate. Crumbs like digital cameras, printers, corvettes, diamond rings, cash money.
I always thought it so funny when the boards would get really wild, and people would start questioning George he would jump on the board and announce yet another contest...and lo and behold it would work. The community would shut up. The were placated...lol.
As far as coming back to BidBay. I haven't listed there in months. I attempted to work within the system trying to get things changed but that didn't work. I still have the bogus bucks to spend and plan on spending them when I find something decent to purchase in the bogus bucks category.
I'm sorry so many BidBayers can't seem to see the writing on the wall.
If people want to continue to deal with a company who's "fund raiser" has a permanent injunction against him for "fraudulent telemarketing of investments in FCC paging licenses." And is currently a defendant in a suit against him in Pennsylvania for attempting to sell BidBay stock there.
Then that is their choice.
But if you have been online for any length of time over the last couple of years you will know that the good old days of investors throwing VC out right and left for all of these start ups is over.
Investors are going to be scared off by a number of things in that filing.
And all it's going to take is an investigation from an AG in any state regarding BidBay's contests, or by the FTC and that will be the nail in the coffin.
auctiongallery2
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auctiongallery2
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posted on February 5, 2001 05:30:11 AM new
Moderator...I'm sorry about the repeated posts.
For some reason I was not getting a response from the server and next thing I know there are four posts up there...LOL
Please remove all but the original thank you.
auctiongallery2
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auctiongallery2
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posted on February 5, 2001 05:55:40 AM new
I put a direct link to the filing on BidBay's chat board.
I wonder if the PTB's there will let it stay up.
auctiongallery2
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OneDay
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posted on February 5, 2001 06:03:02 AM new
auctiongallery2, If they do allow this to stay on the board I will be suprised. Everything you have said has been stated on Fact and Truth regarding the SEC. I just wonder how long George will allow you to post on his boards for stating so. You have my support 
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jtw74
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posted on February 5, 2001 06:52:23 AM new
and ebay is full of ebay bashers, and paypal is full of paypal bashers and so on and so forth. That's the way it is in this dog eat dog world! Now I am off to eat my Wheaties
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auctiongallery2
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posted on February 5, 2001 07:32:13 AM new
OneDay,
you should read their message boards now.
All I did was post a link to the filing with this simple little statement.
"I think if anyone has a genuine interest in BidBay they should read it."
And now they are after me like rabid dogs...LOL
auctiongallery2
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auctiongallery2
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posted on February 5, 2001 07:35:03 AM new
Well now it's gone...LOL
auctiongallery2
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mrfanini
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posted on February 5, 2001 07:52:00 AM new
"And now they are after me like rabid dogs"
Wow Cary do you need a jack to get up
you're so low.
i made an offer for your BBB
the CEO of BB was going to fly you down there so you can try and make the side better like you said and pay you $1000.00
yes my friend real money. you turn it down.
now you want cash for your BBB, that you got for free.
And yes I read the sb-2
I guess you have never got in the ground floor opportunity of any public CO.
mrfanini
[ edited by mrfanini on Feb 5, 2001 08:10 AM ]
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auctiongallery2
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posted on February 5, 2001 07:55:03 AM new
sorry marcio I didn't get a chance to reply to your offer as that post was pulled.
auctiongallery2
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msgodrocks
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posted on February 5, 2001 07:59:45 AM new
"the CEO of BB was going to flight you there so you can try and make the side better like you said and
pay you $1000.00
yes my friend real money. you turn it down.
now you want cash for your BBB, that you got for free. "
Don't you mean 'fly' you down there?
Bidbay bucks are NOT free as I understand it. One sells items to get them. Correct??? Hey aren't you the one Mr. F that they said got the 10K for doing some Private Eye work for GT?
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auctiongallery2
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posted on February 5, 2001 08:04:32 AM new
msgodrocks...you are correct not to mention a corvette valued at almost $20,000 a limousine, jet skiis and I believe a boat but I might be wrong about that...plus a few digital cameras.
but we should keep this thread on topic so as not to have it locked.
auctiongallery2
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mrfanini
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posted on February 5, 2001 08:05:50 AM new
msgodrocks- thank you for correcting my spelling much appreciate,
Yes that is the same Mr. fanini
we all got to do something for a living and now you know What i do Just in case you have some work for me let me know
please do find all grammar error here too.
as I'm trying to perfect my english
but for some reason people like you will not bring me down
mrfanini
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DrJon71
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posted on February 5, 2001 08:19:16 AM new
I am a bidbay user and not under this name. I will not divulge my bb username for fear of retaliation as I have seen TRUE bashing over there. I DID just join here today for the purpose of posting, so if that makes me a troll, then so be it.
I find it very disturbing that there seems to be so much secrecy at Bidbay. Why do they not want people to know or discuss what is a matter of public record? What are they trying to hide? I am really confused and I am also going to re think my involvement with them as something about the entire thing just raises a red flag to me. It appears to me to show a great lack of professionalism to send the bidbay defenders over here, insult people and then meet back at their board and laugh about it. <shaking my head here>
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auctiongallery2
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posted on February 5, 2001 08:23:44 AM new
good point Dr.Jon.
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mrfanini
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posted on February 5, 2001 08:25:46 AM new
DrJon71-hi
for the record i posted the link to the Sec
last friday and it still up.
it was the way it was posted my Cary. that the reason it got removed
mrfanini
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auctiongallery2
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posted on February 5, 2001 08:30:06 AM new
The way I posted it?
all I did was post a link and said
"I think if anyone has a genuine interest in BidBay they should read it."
What about that simple statement there is wrong?
or was it the "way" I posted it sitting here in the nude? (just kidding by the way, I do have boxers on...LOL)
Or typing with my eyes closed?
Or typing with my eyes crossed and singing?
auctiongallery2
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mrfanini
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posted on February 5, 2001 08:46:27 AM new
Cary whatever make you happy
hope you find it.
Back to the topic of the sb-2
have you ever read other filling by other Co. or it this your first one?
And about those other people involve with bidbay. Do you remember whitewater dealing,
do you remember Microsoft monopoly,
the point here is that no one is perfect with all have some kind of something in our close.
mrfanini
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msgodrocks
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posted on February 5, 2001 08:58:44 AM new
Mr. Fanini,
I have nothing in my close. Okay okay so I have a few too many pounds but that is all, honest. I swore on my presidential oath on my Bible, the same one I swore to be true to my spouse, o I forgot, I am not BC.
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browse4stuff
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posted on February 5, 2001 09:01:14 AM new
Can somebody please post the link to the bidbay sec filing here? I saw it the other day and cant find it again.
The whole thing is pretty humorous. Bidbay is a joke in itself. I have been watching all that has transpired over the past several months and I must say these people are absurd. Bidbay trying to go public with a rouge CEO running a failed company with a criminal history, trying to act like a mob boss, and a bounty hunter, would make for a great news story. Has anyone contacted the media yet? CNN, Cnet, or any others.
Thank you Bidbay for such quality entertainment.
JMHO
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mrfanini
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posted on February 5, 2001 09:09:22 AM new
"I am a bidbay user and not under this name. I will not divulge my bb username for fear of retaliation as I have seen TRUE bashing over there. I DID just join here today for the purpose of posting, so if that makes me a troll, then so be it.
I find it very disturbing that there seems to be so much secrecy at Bidbay. Why do they not want people to know or discuss what is a matter of public record? What are they trying to hide? I am really confused and I am also going to re think my involvement with them as something about the entire thing just raises a red flag to me. It appears to me to show a great lack of professionalism to send the bidbay defenders over here, insult people and then meet back at their board and laugh about it. <shaking my head here>"
Wow talking about bashing if i remember correctly there are about 7-9+ id of you and 7-9+ had been suppended for bashing.
Like i said before the link to the SB-2 is posted on the board since last friday.
msgodrocks-glad you're perfect!!
browse4stuff-there is a link on BB posted by eshop
mrfanini
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auctiongallery2
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posted on February 5, 2001 09:10:27 AM new
Well since you avoided my question regarding my statement...I will repost it.
What about that statement was wrong?
Now regarding reading filings...no it is not the first one I have ever read.
But if you take into account this filing, and the problems that have plagued BidBay financially, legally, and ethically or have plagued those involved with the company and throw in our presently volatile economy, mix in a little dot com craze that has turned into dot com death and I think you can add up BidBay's chances of success.
BidBay is hoping that investors will bypass all that information by being blasted with BidBay's membership numbers...which they claim is at present 4 million. And by BidBay's listing numbers...which if anyone with a little common sense was to peruse would realize that a majority of those items represent sportscards.
And I'm not speaking of sportscards that you would find listed anywhere else that collectors are actively looking for. But sportscards that have been thrown up with a bit of information no picture and the price....a whopping $.02-$.25. And we both know that the majority are in the nickel range.
Some BidBay listing numbers:
Under$1.00 Category.
Recipes: 62,938 auctions currently running
Sports Cards: 9114
Beanie Cards: 5,591
General (which you will find more of these items): 46,041
BidBay Buck Category:
Recipes: 86,674
sports cards: 2,098
General (which you will find more of these items): 13,144
Trading Cards Category:
Entire category has 29,471 items.
Most there are valued higher than a nickel. But still in the $.25 range.
And the list goes on.
I just wonder if they use BidBay Bucks in their numbers on the front page when it comes to announcing dollar amount of bids made etc.
auctiongallery2
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DrJon71
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posted on February 5, 2001 09:12:09 AM new
here it is. click on edgar and then sb filings I think
http://www.alert-ipo.com/cgi-bin/ai.exe?cobrand=ostman&company=5255
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auctiongallery2
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posted on February 5, 2001 09:14:00 AM new
mrfanini,
I have looked for your thread on BidBay's bulleting board and can't seem to locate it.
Why not bump it to the top for all to see.
auctiongallery2
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mrfanini
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posted on February 5, 2001 09:15:48 AM new
Cary -done
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