"As I said, excuses, excuses!!! There is always SOME explanation to avoid responsibility for being a bad seller.."
Do you have any negatives?
I have two. Reasons are deadbeat seller stiffed me and lied about it in my feedback and bidder made a mistake and left me one meant for someone else. She couldn't rectify it due to the new policies.
Question for you - are these excuses or are they facts? Do these negatives make me a bad seller? I think not.
Regardless of how you feel about the originator of this post, you just about have given every seller who has negatives for whatever reason other than being a bad seller, a black eye.
It pays to think before you write
[ edited by mtnmama on Sep 3, 2000 10:08 AM ]
[ edited by mtnmama on Sep 3, 2000 10:09 AM ]
posted on September 3, 2000 10:08:37 AMNetworker67: You go on and on and on about it, for long, sometimes incomprehensible paragraphs that slam whole groups of people as well as anybody who disagrees with your viewpoint. That going on about it doesn't help your position any. Just ignore them and don't respond, and they won't have anything to reply to.
posted on September 3, 2000 10:11:53 AM
"the thread taking the crazy turn into the twilight zone."
Networker, you ARE funny!!!
So, talking about all the good transactions people have is the twilight zone? Finding out that most people have had many, many good transactions on ebay is the twilight zone? Suggesting that most sellers on ebay are decent, honest people is the twilight zone?
posted on September 3, 2000 10:35:09 AM
amy - tsk tsk, you keep missing the point and then try to shift the meaning to something to say I am bad. For this thread the twilight zone is trying to shift it to a discussion about the litigation. The twilight zone is also when the discussion turns to my feedback when we are having a general discussion. THAT's the Twilight Zone because it has nothing to do with thread itself.
I enjoyed hearing from the buyers with the perfect transactions. Heck I have never had what I would call a totally bad transaction myself as a buyer. Yes I have recieved some refunds from sellers for damaged items. Yes I have received the occasional damaged item in shipping. Yes I have paid 5 bucks for priority insured and had it come standard mail for 1.75. Didn't leave negatives because the item arrived and was as described. Besides since I paid for services that weren't provided it is a good thing for the seller nothing went wrong.
Now if you would keep the focus on the thread which was a discussion on sellers taking a minute to remember that some buyers get defensive because they have dealt with one of those bad sellers out there. That's all what part of let's have a discussion on sellers working to make their trading venue better. Remember sellers stand to lose the most from ebay going south. Us buyers always have a place to go spend our money.
posted on September 3, 2000 10:41:50 AM
MtnMama...I'm not slamming a whole group of people as Networker has been doing, nor am I setting myself up as a judge on other's honesty, ethics or values as Networker has been doing. Nor did I ask him about his negatives. I made an observation about his rationalizations for his less than steller feedback and questioned how a person who was tossing boulders at others could do so based on his own record.
If Networker doesn't want to be judged, Networker should refrain from being so judgemental about others.
As for my own feedback, since you asked...I have two accounts. Between the two I have 1767 unique positives. I have received a total of 1983 feedback...1644 on one account and 339 on the other. 1969 of the 1983 are positives. 13 are neutral, 1 which became neutral because the user was NARUed. The majority of the neutrals are from early on when I didn't have my s**t together and mailed some items late..they were deserved. The one negative I have the buyer obviously felt I deserved. I responded with my side of the story so any future customers can make their own decision.
And by the way..I do think before I write. But thank you for your concern.
On the idea of giving sellers black eyes...LOL. MtnMama, there are always two sides to every feedback. The seller may feel the feedback is underserved but obviously the buyer felt it was deserved. So who is right?
It is interesting to read the threads on feedback though because almost invariably the person who is on the receiving end of negative feedback has a rationalization as to why they didn't deserve it.
edited to add a forgotten point (rationalization...excuse I'm getting old LOL)
[ edited by amy on Sep 3, 2000 10:54 AM ]
posted on September 3, 2000 10:47:50 AM
Well, then networker, if the litigation was the "twilight zone" you were referring to I fail to see how I brought it up. All I did was make an observation about your rationaliztions and excuses for your feedback. I was reponding to your posts about that feedback.
Actually, I think YOU frequently miss the points that are being made..or conveniently ignore them.
posted on September 3, 2000 11:07:36 AM
MtnMama..my comments were directed at Braxton, no one else.
As for the comment you made about thinking before you write...well, my excuse for taking it personally is...I do things like that!! It's my inferiority complex getting the better of me (huge smile here, even if it is the truth!) (friends?)
posted on September 3, 2000 01:39:43 PM
Well, Braxton, when you stop initiating these highly derogatory threads regarding ebay, perhaps you'll be able to leave the past where it belongs. As long as you continue to spew forth out of both sides of your mouth, there are those that will respond in kind. As you've been told many times, you are the author of your own misfortune. Nothing that transpires on ebay has anything to do with you, and until it does, which isn't likely after your current suspension, and the one in 1998, you have nothing pertinent to offer.
P.S. to Katy D: When Braxton lets "it" go, so will I
posted on September 3, 2000 04:26:25 PM
overworked - Nothing in this thread is deragatory about ebay. Not my fault some sellers have bad business practices. The purpose of these threads are to discuss issues about ebay. Sellers constantly complaining about ebay buyers is an issue and buyers complaining about sellers is an issue.
Since I happen to be a shareholder in the ebay corporation. It is my right to take an interest in anything that has anything to do with the company. You brought up the ebay Q and A, not my fault you have nothing better to do. The thread isn't deragatory to anyone. It if you could read with any sort of comprehension says, That sellers should always take the high ground when dealing with buyers, because 75% of buyers problems are caused by bum deals with terrible dealers. Not my fault you and few others have a difficult time seeing that.
Wow can't have an inteligent discussion without the lower educated of our society getting offended. Instead of being offended get yourself educated then the message won't escape you. What's the matter overworked? Smacking that litigation crap with the facts hurt your little feelings, or was it that sizzling return of the hot dog vendor crack. Hey you fired the first shot also since my name in this thread is networker67 you are being nicely asked once to use that and nothing else. Now if you wish to provide your first name you can feel free to use my first name. Until that day comes you no longer have that right in this thread.
This is a point in which I find myself in total agreement with you. There is nothing deragatory in your comments about ebay despite your propensity to rag on about ebay.
"I would rather have a seller tack an extra $2 on to the shipping/handling for bubble wrap & a decent box than have some penny pinching moron ship the item in a cornflakes box with a single piece of newspaper around it."
This is exactly what I told this one buyer recently! LOL. I added that I wouldn't be responsible for any damage. Guess what? They said that's fine; so I wrapped some shipping paper around it and sent it out. Before you jump on me, I made it plainly clear to the buyer what the handling fee was for, and what it covered. If they don't pay it, it's not my problem anymore how the item arrives. AND, I'm wondering who the cheap moron really is!!!!
posted on September 3, 2000 05:55:00 PM
overworked - Everyone makes an occasional spelling error mostly attributed to typing. But since your last post using correct grammar syntax and usage should have said.
Braxton, learn how to spell, form a sentence, then I'll consider your terms.
And not this;
Braxton, you learn how to spell, and form a sentence, and I'll consider your terms.
Judging by the excessive use of and in that gobbly gook. I can surmise you are from the Southern United States or the inner city. Please tell me which one.
Which one of your sandbox pals lied to you that puns like that upset me. Unlike you and for that matter them. I realize that in these chatrooms and threaded boards we all have a penchant for typos and off grammar. The typos are not indicative of a persons inability to spell they are more typing. Since, I type as I think this stuff up it tends to resemble speech as opposed to written word.
How's about getting a life and joining me for an English Class obviously we both need it....lol...lol...lol
I suggest you get this thread back on track instead of taking potshots at eachother. In other words, during debate or disagreement, always address the issue at hand, not the individual.
posted on September 3, 2000 06:27:41 PM
"Judging by the excessive use of and in that gobbly gook. I can surmise you are from the Southern United States or the inner city."
networker67-
I find this highly offensive and an outdated stereotype of the South. You're not winning friends with this kind of behavior.
You're simply showing ignorance.
We speak and write proper English in the Southern United States. We also wear shoes and have indoor plumbing. In case you were wondering, most of us have all of our teeth and are NOT married to our first cousins.
posted on September 3, 2000 07:05:41 PM
Hey! I'm from the south! This is taking a bad turn here.
Braxton yes you have to have a spell check. You are known to spell certain words wrong over and over again, so they're not typos.
Overworked, whatever beef you have (and it seems to go on and on), please stop. These threads do have some validity and perhaps people can learn from them.
I'm not siding with anyone, but for heaven's sake, you all succeeded in getting this guy booted from ebay, so let it GO already. He started this thread, you didn't. He didn't ask you to post, you did that voluntarily and you only post to his threads.
You start and expect him to sit back and take your barbs. I don't know who you are, like I said before, but it's hard for me to believe you're still carrying on.
posted on September 3, 2000 07:07:50 PM
Networker: A few days after your posts on AW about the result of the ebay lawsuit your wife was on the QandA board stating that at least one of her bids had been canceled by the seller of an item because the seller had been contacted by someone saying that any account (I believe, but cannot be certain, any paypal account specificaly) that had your email address attached was 'bad' (there was no explanation of exactly what 'bad' meant).
Was that ever resolved?
I do not have the posts nor can I recall the specific date, although I do know it was in the evening. I didn't think I would need that info because I figured that since you can not buy nor sell (or even vist) on ebay, you would have no need to be posting in the ebay outlook any longer.
posted on September 3, 2000 07:23:45 PM
lotsafuzz - I instructed the DW to contact the seller and ask them to forward that email to her. They complied and I instructed her to forward it to our attorneys. The seller in that case didn't pay that yahoo any attention and the item was purchased.
I just found it annoying that one of them would stoop to that level.
posted on September 3, 2000 08:02:08 PM
i think that the only question here is this: if networker is such an expert on the best way to sell on ebay, why is he no longer allowed on ebay?
You will discover that our little endgame has nothing to do with buying or selling on ebay. So you got a real answer to your not so real question. Hope it helps calm you down.
posted on September 3, 2000 09:10:49 PM
Mtnmama...I don't post on Q&A, so your generalization that "we" got him booted from Q&A is wrong in my case. Also, I post on a lot of different threads..not just his.
Also, as has been stated in this forum many times, the originator of a thread really has no control of where a thread goes.
Back to your comment about "you all succeeded in getting this guy booted from ebay". Although I don't post at Q&A, I have lurked. From what I have seen, Networker had a BIG hand in getting himself booted from ebay. He bears the lion's share of the responsibility.
posted on September 3, 2000 09:33:09 PM
amy - Who cares I for one don't. mtnmamma knows somethings you don't about networker. ebay was only ever a hobby for me. So not being on it really matters not. I didn't sell to make money as a business. Don't need to make money on ebay or any other auction site for matter.
I enjoy discussing the auction business from a true business perspective. The problem is too many yard sell mentality sellers running around the threads. But I know why that is. The true business people in the auction community are listing auctions, posting feedback, deposting revenue, and shipping goods to have any time for these threads. Heck as I discussed in another thread keeping accurate books alone takes up time. If one has a system that also serves to give them information on other aspects of the business.
But I have a solution to the problem. Will draft a proposal with supporting data next month and start lobbying it around congress after elections. Would start a great thread on it but like I said, "too many yard sale mentality sellers to have a meaningful discussion on it". Heck but with Meg going on the record as amending ebay to lose the "World's Greatest Garage Sale persona. I might get some help on it from ebay itself. That would be some irony for you wouldn't it?
uh huh. that's what i thought!