posted on March 25, 2005 07:39:32 AM new
I was raised in the catholic faith. It has nothing to do with it. Going peacefully when your life is over is not suicide. Unfortunately there is no definition in the bible that allows to deal with medical advance.
Did god shove that tube down her throat in the first place? No, she would have died then.
There have been many medical advances in the centuries after the bible was written. Who makes the decision which ones are “Christian” ?
The pope does not want us to use birth control. In any form (except abstinence). And all of a sudden it is okay to do whatever it takes (however unnatural) to preserve life? Using the same evil medicine that created the pill?
They have already taken about all the dignity from that poor woman. Let her body make the decision and let her bow out with the last bit of dignity left to her. If she really is to survive (like her parents want to believe) a miracle will happen. – hasn’t in 15 years
If I ever put myself into a coma (like the whole story indicates – and lessons should be learned from that, and well learned) – or something bad happens to me I pray my husband will have the guts to stand up for me! And he doesn’t have to dedicate a bigger part of our marriage to it than he ever knew me!
Fortunately I am much older and there are at least 5 close friends who know: no machines. But I guess if my parents hired a good lawyer they could still sound like loonies. – only that we all had a talk. My dad knows that I don’t want to be a vegetable.
Just like I know that about him
Shall I (in case) keep him hooked up in order to keep my mom alive? After all – they have been married for about 50 years….
I have a pretty good feeling that the rest of the family wants to keep the poor woman because it’s all that keeps the parents hanging on…
It’s always shown what a vibrant, happy and whatever… young woman she was. And then she put herself into a coma with bulimia. Ironic – for about ten years her husband did not care what she looked like. My guess is that he still does not. He could have divorced her years ago and walked away from the whole situation. Instead he studied to become a nurse to take care of her! Just to plot he could steal the Huge medical settlement! Which he spent mostly on her… How cunning.. and he – after all got to be a nurse! We all know how rich they get!
This might come soo totally in-appropriate – but a few years ago my beloved tomcat
(and nobody will ever understand what an animal that helped you through your husband going missing-in-action in desert-storm-1 means to you)
died from a disease that still cannot be cured. He just stopped being able to digest protein and certain fats– which is very important for a carnivore.
I just could not let go. For 2 years I stayed up und fed him every time he felt hungry. A teaspoon at a time..Always hoping to find his allergy or whatever.. He was still so loving and considerate of me. While he slowly starved to death he would still try to be his old self – just to please me.
He slowly starved to death while I was killing myself to nurse him back to health.
Sometimes it just will not happen.
I do hope the husband wins and she can die!
Nothing was worse for me – as blind as I wanted to be through the whole ordeal - than to wake up the same morning after the sleepness night I finally made the decision to end it--- and he had taken it out of my hands! He lay dead on his favorite cushion I made for him.
And then I finally saw him. As he was now and had been for so long, To long. Nothing like my friend for cold nights. Not the one that greeted me by the door after a long day. Just an empty shell. Had been for a long time…
And I was so sorry that I did not let go sooner. I will have to live with that. Will her patents be able to? Or will they be able to fool themselves until she finally wills herself to die?
I can not imagine what they will feel. If it is anything of the guilt I felt to put that poor animal through all of this… Just because I could.
Again – it was a cat – my best friend in the world – doctors told me…several doctors…nobody fought me in court. But yet I am here – knowing that I put a living creature through hell. -- Just because I could.
And yes – I do know that it was “just a critter” !
A living being – nevertheless! But the difference of knowing between what you once knew as “Someone” and what lies there on a slab (or a cushion) –priceless! And the human will to hang on to “once was”
posted on March 25, 2005 09:07:42 AM new
I just have to wonder if when this whole thing is said and done if her family isn't going to deeply regret spending this past week with lawyers and judges instead of their daughter.
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posted on March 25, 2005 12:16:49 PM new
fenix - Do we know what time they've spent with her? Many times our attorneys already know our wishes and we don't have to be with them nor appear in court for appeals to be made.
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zugspitz - Much of what you've stated as FACTS have NEVER been proven. That's the problem many of us have with this case. AND the Catholic church does not now, and NEVER has approved of suicide NOR uthenisa. Have you missed the most recent comments in regards to Terri's case from the POPE himself?
posted on March 25, 2005 12:27:57 PM new
Here's what I don't understand and maybe it was published somewhere and I missed it: She suffered a heart attack brought on by a chemical imbalance that was caused by an eating disorder. Where were her parents then? Her siblings? This was totally preventable had someone intervened.
Back in the 1970's eating disorders were brought to the forefront by the death of Karen Carpenter. She, too, suffered a heart attack brought on by a chemical imbalance from an eating disorder. Back then, eating disorders were not known about by a lot of people. By 1990, certainly most people in this country knew they existed. Why didn't her parents or siblings attempt to help her BEFORE she was far enough gone for a heart attack? It doesn't just happen overnight.
First there is no proof that she had this problem. Just look to who SAID she did. AND she had many broken bones when her first cat scan was done. Don't get those from having an eating disorder.
Secondly I've heard some doctors answer the 'eating disorder' concern by saying that even IF this were what happened...the likelyhood that it would have been the cause of her colapse, because of her age and her good heatlh....were VERY unlikely.
Karen Carpenter was quite young when it happened to her. She was 32. So was my friend, Karen. She was 17. So, the doctor's "age" comment makes no sense. Some of the photos I've seen of her show a healthy sized girl and a very thin girl. I doubt it was dieting. The healthiest person on the planet can have heart failure due to an eating disorder. She was overweight as a child and as a teenager (200lbs at one point - read on a Christian web site so I think it would be hard to call them liars - http://www.kron4.com/Global/story.asp?S=2994651). So, an eating disorder is not out of the question.
Too much of what I've been reading says: "An electrolyte imbalance caused a massive heart attack and led to her being in a persistant vegetative state. . ." to just let it go as something her husband said. There were also interviews with her friends.
posted on March 25, 2005 01:10:37 PM new
cheryl - Karen Carpenter was NOT HEALTHY.....Terri was. Notice just how long she was married and then look at a picture of her on her wedding day.
But my strongest argument is that ALL this that has not been allowed to be legally discussed in her case should have been allowed BEFORE they gave her a death sentence.
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fenix - While looking up something else....I came across a couple of things I wanted to share with everyone here. But the one that I wanted to share with you was the fact that Terri's husband has ALWAYS had the say-so as to when and how long Terri's family can or CANNOT visit with her. He's had total control of visitations.
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A review of transcript of the Larry King Show on Friday, March 18 prepared and released by CNN nutrition and hydration had been removed from his wife by the death order of Florida judge George W. Greer, Michael Schiavo admitted on national television that "we didn't know what Terri wanted but this is what we want……"
A review of the transcript of Friday night's Larry King show when Schiavo and his attorney, George Felos were guests, clearly indicates that Michael Schiavo admitted that he did not know what the wishes of Terri Schindler-Schiavo are in regard to being kept alive by assisted feeding.
KING: Have you had any contact with the family today? This is a sad day all the way around, Michael. We know of your dispute.
M.SCHIAVO: I've had no contact with them.
KING: No contact at all?
M.SCHIAVO: No.
KING: Do you understand how they feel?
M.SCHIAVO: Yes, I do. But this is not about them, it's about Terri. And I've also said that in court. We didn't know what Terri wanted but this is what we want…..
Schiavo's nationally televised admission establishes grounds for him to be charged with perjury and for Gov. Jeb Bush to immediately move to take the disabled woman into protective custody before any further harm is done to her by this attempt at judicial homicide.
Terri Schiavo, 41, sustained serious brain damage in mysterious circumstances at her home in 1990. At a jury trial in 1993 in a medical malpractice claim, Schiavo testified he would take care of his wife for the rest of his life and as a result of his testimony, over $1 million was awarded to him with $750,000 earmarked for Terri's therapy and rehabilitation. He never mentioned during the trial that she would not want to be kept alive by a feeding tube.
However, as soon as he received the money, he ordered that all rehabilitation for Terri be stopped. He then petitioned the court for an order to end her life and in January, 2000, for the first time, suddenly remembered that she had allegedly made a comment some 15 years prior in 1984 while watching a movie that she would not want to be kept alive by artificial means.
Although such self-serving hearsay is inadmissible in Florida courts, Greer said Schiavo's hearsay constituted "clear and convincing evidence" of her death wish and he ordered her death by starvation and dehydration.
Of course Schiavo stood to gain substantially financially by her death.
fenix Additionally, on Sunday afternoon, Schiavo suspended the visitation rights of her parents and sister for over four hours, in direct violation of a court decision and order issued by Greer earlier this month which allowed the Schindler family to be with their daughter and sister in her last hours. Such action by Michael Schiavo constitutes a contempt of a court order.
Informed sources said that the visits by the family were suspended by Schiavo because her father, Bob Schindler Sr., allegedly took a tape recorder into Terri's room last night to record Terri talking.
Schiavo, supported by Greer, has maintained that Terri is in a persistent vegetable state and that she cannot speak or interact. However, her parents and others dispute that, particularly attorney Barbara Weller who has stated that Terri Schiavo made distinct efforts Friday to express her desire to live when told her assisted feeding was being removed by her husband on order of Greer.
At 4 p.m. Sunday, Schiavo relented and allowed the Schindlers to enter the hospice to visit Terri who is said to be experiencing a high fever and possible infection due to the alleged improper removal of her feeding tube on Friday.
The 41-year-old disabled woman is now in her third day without food and water as the result of the death order issued by Greer. Without food and water, it is anticipated that Terri Schiavo will die by court order within 7 to 10 days unless there is judicial or legislative intervention.
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posted on March 25, 2005 01:18:23 PM new
Yes, Libra....that's what many on the right have been pointing out....and what I TRIED to point out in this thread. They're just reporting what they've heard from others....NOT THE ATTENDING nor doctors that have spent time with her. The media has aided in her death by their actions. They've taken 'sides' according to where their own personal judgements stand on the issue.
But this is what they believe her 'loving' husband wants...and that's all that matters to them...not having all the FACTS. This kind of loving husband reminds me of Scott Peterson...who also had her parents fooled initially....but then the FACTS got in the way.
I'm afraid that Terri doesn't have enough time for these things to be sorted out. I've heard today that she's developed some sort of infection...so it won't be long now.
I can't imagine how her family must feel....wanting so desperately to save her life.
posted on March 25, 2005 01:53:46 PM new
Linda - considering that half the news conferences with them that I have seen are immediately after they have returned from court we know that that is time they have not been spending with her.
As for her huspband allowing them to see her, the only limitation he has put on the family since this recent ordeal started was that they cannot be with her when he is.
BTW - if she is doing all of this talking that they claim is being done - why has the armed police officer that is in the room during all visits not been been asked to attest to this. As an uninterested party he would a very compelling piece of new information that actually could reopen the case.
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posted on March 25, 2005 02:06:49 PM new
fenix - We don't know that their 'time' in court wasn't when they were told my Michael...that they couldn't be with her.
And on being silly. NOTHING in this case is silly imo. You speak about why the cops are in her room couldn't say something? You ask that when there's never even been a review of all the other circumstances....because this attorney Greer and Michael won't allow it?
Come on...talk about getting real. Greer's been the main person all these different requests have been put to. READ LIBRA'S link on how many times the husband and his attorney have fought against her getting any care at all.
You spoke earlier about Terri having ad-lidem attorneys who represent her 'right's. Did you miss the part where HER attorney said there was a definated 'conflict of interest' with her husband remaining her guardian? Do you notice what happened to Michael's ex-girlfriend Cindy who said he was lying about Terri's 'death wish for herself'? Have you read that after being threatened...she refused to speak in court because she was afraid of Michael?
I'll NEVER understand how anyone doesn't think there's enough doubt about this husbands actions to have it investigated BEFORE she dies.....no...how convenient...get her out of the way and maybe all these actions AGAINST TERRI'S best interests will just disappear.
I, for one, hope the family does file a suit against both Greer and her 'scott peterson typle of "loving" husband.
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edited to add: On your last mention of what Michael 'allows'....he didn't want any of her family visiting...but that was overruled and changed to they couldn't be there when he was.
Not that he didn't try to keep them away...just that he lost that little fight.
But being a Catholic he HAS refused her last rights...and threatened to sue any Priest who gives them to her. Yea...loving, caring husband alright...NOT
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posted on March 25, 2005 02:30:03 PM new
::But being a Catholic he HAS refused her last rights...and threatened to sue any Priest who gives them to her. Yea...loving, caring husband alright...NOT ::
Sorry but that is not correct. He refused to allow her to have last rights administered in a church. She has been administered last rights. They were talking about it last weekend.
As for not letting them in... you know, it may just be that he originally said no but to tell you the truth, with all the recent crap they have pulled and sudden allegations of abuse and attempted murder they have launched against him - I would tell them to kiss my happy rear too.
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posted on March 25, 2005 02:40:42 PM new
fenix - I'm having trouble getting through to you. I'm saying INITALLY the husband has fought many things....her last rights being one of them. The fact that he conceeds or his 'ruled' against doesn't take away what he does and what he's tried to do. The Priest and Brothers have had to go on national TV and object to his not allowing these things. THEN....
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And, imo, Judge Green holds as much responsibility as Michael does in Terri's upcoming death. He has, OVER THE YEARS, continue to block those who have wished to testify from doing so. over and over and over. Those who take your side of the debate do TRULY believe she's had her chance in court all these years....and I'm saying she HASN'T.....either Greer or the husband wouldn't allow it.
here's but one example:
Friday, March 25, 2005 9:31 a.m. EST
Terri Nurse: Let Me Testify
A registered nurse who cared for Terri Schiavo complained on Thursday that federal judges in the case have not taken the time to examine her bombshell allegations - and she is considering joining with two other Schiavo nurses for a joint press conference.
I PRAY they do
"We wanted to testify but we weren't allowed to," Carla Sauer Iyer told WBT Charlotte substitute host Steve Malzberg.
"Very few of us were allowed to see Terri," she said, noting that she and her nurse colleagues witnessed behavior that would be inconsistent for someone in a persistent vegetative state.
"That's been the problem the whole time - [presiding] Judge Greer not looking into all the evidence," Iyer said.
Asked if any of the other judges who reviewed the case and ruled against Terri recently know anything about her story, Iyer said, "They have never interviewed me.
"None of us were able to testify[b]," she said, referring to fellow nurses Heidi Law and Carolyn Johnson, [b]who corroborate Iyer's claims that medical treatment was being withheld from Terri on Michael Schiavo's orders.
"Nineteen judges have not looked at the evidence," Iyer complained.
Asked if she would consider holding a joint press conference with nurses Law and Johnson, Iyer said: "Yes. I can get a hold of Carolyn." But she wasn't sure about Ms. Law.
"She said she had been threatened and was scared" back in 2003,
same thing Michael's ex-girlfriend claimed
after submitting an affidavit in the case, Iyer said.
"I was being followed back then," Iyer revealed, saying she called police at the time. "Even my neighbors were saying somebody was watching my house."
Iyer said she had attempted to contact Gov. Jeb Bush years ago and would try again on Friday as the clock winds down on Schiavo's life.
Since Iyer spoke to Malzberg, Ms. Law has come forward for radio and television interviews.
Get Steve Malzberg's exclusive NewsMax.com column e-mailed directly to you at www.newsmax.com/malzberg
posted on March 25, 2005 02:56:35 PM new
fenix - Just to be more clear....yes, I agree we're all hearing different things from different sources.
What I've been arguing against is that all these accusation against her husband have never even been looked at by a court of law. Greer has just argued that Michael has guardianship and no other judge has been willing to say differently. BUT....no one has gotten into the alligations. No judge went to Terri's room to judge for himself if Greer should be removed for blocking guardianship removal from Michael.
But...they're killing a woman who had no attorney fighting for her rights....arguing that maybe this is why Michael's been in such a RUSH to remove her tubes since he received the lawsuit funds....and proceeded to spend them on his own attorneys to be ALLOWED to kill her.
Puts him in a pretty powerful place. His actions will most likely NEVER be investigated....why?....because HE SAID...no proof..but HE said...that's what she'd want.
But her loving family who started NOT believing Michael had their loved ones best wishes at heart....start trying to expose his behavior....and, imo, because the PUBLIC supports 'not living in that condition' then screw Terri's Constitutional rights to LIVE...liberty and the presuit of happiness.
posted on March 25, 2005 04:05:50 PM new
::What I've been arguing against is that all these accusation against her husband have never even been looked at by a court of law.::
Because there is no legal standing for them. If there were legal standing then some type of charges would have been brought forth. There is no medical evidence therefore it is nothing more than baseless accusations and therefore non admissable.
Maybe someone should be going to a prosecutor with the evidence. If there were criminal charges then there is basis but ll there is right now is in admisable accusations.
You are are either ignoring or just forgetting that there is a rule of law that must be followed. You also seem to be ignoring that higher courts have reviewed his actions and found them to be without fault.
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posted on March 25, 2005 04:32:57 PM new
fenix - To be clear, who is 'who have reviewed the cases'? Because they have only reviewed the legality of the lesser courts motions...legal motions...decisions...NOT on any of these accusations.
I'll try it another way. I'm not overlooking anything. I'm saying that to me we're arguing legal vs moral justice.
We have her family who have brought serious alligations against their SIL...over and over...AND not just recently...but rather since he changed his mind and decided he want to remove her food and water....way back when.
Then we have her caretakers...doctors...nurses...etc....who have argued in her favor....that she is different and has more potential than michael's doctors/attorneys have given her.
Then we have her friends....life long friends AND workmates who tell us Terri was ready to LEAVE michael....divorce him. And they say THEY felt he was abusing her...physically. He was controlling to such extent he wouldn't let her see her friends and family.
All this PLUS doctors who have examined her and said they believed she could be trained to do things she cannot do now.
But...who does everyone want to listen to? The husband that has, since the beginning of these court cases regarding Terri, has the ONLY motive to want her dead.
Funny how that is. How very convenient for HIM. The moneys almost gone...he want to remarry...etc. I guess if YOUR [collectively] family, friends, care givers, nurses, and the doctors who believed you were being/could have been abused, and when all of a sudden such a serious injury happened to you, you wouldn't want their accusations brought to light against a husband you may have wanted to get away from.
\No.....surely not.
Don't you even find it odd that Terri's own attorney ad-lidum saw a conflict of interest in why michael shouldn't be the one making this decision. Do you agree that then Greer should have removed him [HER attorney] as Terri's only 'legal' mouth. I don't. And I don't think michael should have been allowed to use the money the court gave for HER care.....to hire attorneys to kill her. Didn't use the money the court awarded HIM in her case. That's doesn't bother you in any way? The money was intended and given for HER CARE....nothing else. But Judge Greer approved that happening over and over.
It's a moral issue and a Constitutional one to me. And there's no reason one judge couldn't have decided to let her live until all those 7 year old and all accusations since then were presented to a court. AND a court where Terri's interests were actually defended by an attorney.
Never any proof of what she would have wanted....they are allowing a women do be killed on the word of a man who very well MAY have wanted her dead years ago...not because of what we KNOW she wanted...but because it may be what HE wanted for her. No one knows.
posted on March 25, 2005 05:12:10 PM newfenix - To be clear, who is 'who have reviewed the cases'? Because they have only reviewed the legality of the lesser courts motions...legal motions...decisions...NOT on any of these accusations.
The Florida and Atlanta court of appeals. Of course they have not reviewed the accusations. It is not withing their perview to due so nor have they been asked to. they have been asked to review the judges decisions not to review the accusations and upheld that there is no point of law that would allow them to be envtered into consideration since there is no evidence which substantiates them. Come on Linda, you know how appeals courts work and certainly you know that there needs to be actual evidence of something before it can be presented in court.
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posted on March 25, 2005 05:13:49 PM new
::I'm saying that to me we're arguing legal vs moral justice. ::
Are you saying that our judicial system is supposed to now toss out rules of law in favors of rules of morality? Who dictates those?
::We have her family who have brought serious alligations against their SIL...over and over...AND not just recently...but rather since he changed his mind and decided he want to remove her food and water....way back when. ::
And that's not a problem for you? It does not bother you that they believed that their SIL attempted to murder their daughter but didn't say anything until 10 years later? How is it that Michael expresses a previously unstated view 10 years later and he is a horrible liar and yet her parents do the same thing and you see them as righeous? I don't understand how that one works.
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posted on March 25, 2005 06:00:12 PM new
fenix - Are you saying that our judicial system is supposed to now toss out rules of law in favors of rules of morality? Who dictates those?
No, I'm saying that when her own guardian ad-lidum SAID he felt there was a big conflict of interest on Michael's part....the guardian was dismissed.
Between michael's attorney who OWNED the facility she was in [at that time] and Judge Greer denying any motions that WERE made so the court COULD HEAR these complains....greer said no..period...they were not going to even be brought up. I sure can understand the nurses/caregivers being afraid to speak up at the time they saw abuse and denial of COURT ORDERED treatment going on by the husband. With his attorney owning the place...and them being followed around...might make anyone decide to stay out of it and let the family fight it out themselves.
::We have her family who have brought serious alligations against their SIL...And that's not a problem for you? It does not bother you that they believed that their SIL attempted to murder their daughter but didn't say anything until 10 years later?
fenix - It wasn't 10 years and THEN they said something. Read the timeline on Libra's link....that one pretty much agrees with what I've read. Her family became concerned immediately following the court awarding the husband guardianship BECAUSE he immediately ordered all treatment and therapy stopped - after just promising the court 3-4 months earlier he'd be sure everything that could be done for her would be done.
Then I've also heard the parents say in an interview....and again read articles on this....and that was...the parents walked a very fine line with their SIL. Everything they did say anything about their concerns....he'd shut off their visitation rights. So they stated they tried not to make waves. And until recently when a COURT ORDERED that he could NOT refuse the parents/family to see their daughter.....he didn't. He punished them over and over whenever they voiced their concerns. Maybe you don't understand what that would feel like to parents when you are 'forced' to pretend other than you feel....so you can continue to see your loved one, because SIL had full control.
How is it that Michael expresses a previously unstated view 10 years later and he is a horrible liar and yet her parents do the same thing and you see them as righeous?
One reason is that what Michael expressed were her wishes...8-9 years down the line....was different than what he promised the court he'd do. Makes him a liar in my book.
He has always had reason to want her to die...and if you'd just read how many times he denied needed and recommended care for her...you'd surely see that.
Whereas her parents have NEVER stated differently. They had always wanted the best for her. Therapy for her so she could improve to whatever degree she was able to. Medication when she got infections....not hoping she'd just die....and keep meds away from her so she might just do that.
You don't understand that? Well...I don't understand how you can believe a what? 6-7 year long husband, whose been accused of being controlling her, abusing her, proven denial of needed medications and treatments....can ignore the statements of all her family, all her friends, all those who cared for her and take this husband's side.....when he has always had reason to want her to die. These parents don't WANT HER TO DIE.....they're willing to care for her themselves. But no....michael, along with this appointed Judge Greer....can make the rules for someone's life. A judge who has refused over and over to let those who want to testify on her behalf....do so.
Our system is based upon THREE branches of government....all having equal power. But this looks to me like another appointed, liberal judge who has felt he has the 'right' to deny any voice that wishes to plead for Terri's life. They, imo, should have the right to over-rule organization like Adult Protective Services being able to investigate the accusations....before they kill her.
posted on March 25, 2005 07:25:55 PM new
Oh Linda----regarding the $700,000 from the malpractice lawsuit you accuse Michael Schiavo (the devil incarnate) of spending: You are wrong. That money was administered by a judge who decided how and when it should be spent. Michael had no say in that. Dr. Wolfson, Terri Schiavo's guardian ad litem, said that during all the time he spent with Terri, Michael was above reproach, fanatical in his demands for quality care for his wife and was an all around peach of a guy. One more thing--can you give me any lucid reason why Judge Greer would have a 7 year campaign to kill Terri Schiavo? I mean, to the point where he supressed supposed evidence? refused pertinent testimony? Ignored laws?
posted on March 25, 2005 07:55:07 PM new
coincoach - No, Michael decided how he'd spend the money and the judge, greer only decided to approve or disapprove of where it went. I acted as guardian for my mother. The guardian makes all the 'calls'....ALL. And the court is only involved, in a normal situation, ONCE A YEAR. For review of the guardian's actions.
What part of Terri's caregivers saying that her husband would direct them to NOT follow doctors orders don't you guys believe?
Again...on Libra's link it shows $400,000 of HER money went to HIS lawyers. Look for yourself.
I will never understand why so many liberal thinker are so agressive in wanting this woman dead. What's it matter to any of you if her parents take her home and her family loves and cares for her until she/they die. Your vested interest in agreeing she be murdered is beyong my understanding. If there were a criminal on death row and you'd felt he/she never had *personal legal representation*, never had these complaints heard in court....you'd all be screaming his/her rights were being violated. But her we have a 'questionable husband' which conflicting interests than the care of his wife...and you support HIM. how very sad. But...no worry...you're winning she'll be dead soon enough.
And on the Judge...who in my opinion should have recused himself YEARS ago....or who should have acted in Terri's best interests when these 'claims' were being put forth....didn't do either. You ask me why would he be this way for 7 years? Because he's a staunch support of euthanasia, that's why. Just as michael's attorney is. What a great group of euthanasia supporters.
posted on March 25, 2005 08:07:38 PM new
No....not at all.
Just a woman who sees way too many people accusing Terri's husband of not only neglect...but wishing her dead since the money was paid to him.
And one husband, with questionable, unaccounted for actions that weren't in Terri's best interest - getting to 'call the shots' on whether she lives or is murdered.
Unreasonable odds to me...without further inquiry.
posted on March 25, 2005 08:22:21 PM new
Linda---Terri Schiavo's money went into a trust administred by an independent trustee. Her husband was not jetting off to Europe with the money. There have been so many outrageous accusations, stories and out right lies claiming impossible things that it is becoming more difficult to believe anything. You do not KNOW this man. How can you judge him? You do not know any of the people who have said these horrible things about him, nor their motives in doing so. Just because you do not agree with what he is doing, you and peope who agree with you are vilifying him and making him out to be this evil man who is bent on murdering his wife. You do not hear the same hyperbole from those who disagree with your view. No death threats either.
posted on March 25, 2005 08:29:19 PM new
No, coincoach, linduh's purpose , like the Republican congressmen, is to USE Teri Schiavo to promote their hate campaign toward the Democrats.
She follows in their footsteps with calling us murderers and saying we're against LIFE. It was a well staged act by the sleezy Repugs, it's backfiring but you still can hear the whines from the neocons fading away.
posted on March 25, 2005 08:30:07 PM new
coincoach - Let me ask you why you believe Judge Greer has the right....power...to be the one who makes the decision that the testimony from Terri's friends and family WON'T be heard?
Why does he have the right to order Terri's feeding tube removed and makes a ruling that Adult Protective Services can't have one month to six weeks to investigate these charges?
Imo, pretty much keeps all testimony in Terri's favor hidden....and for what purpose? Will allowing APS time to investigate these old and new charges...make a big difference in any way, shape or form? What's the immediate hurry.
And where in our judicial system does it say that ONE judge can over-rule a Congressional order. Where in our system does it state any judge has the right to tell any protective service organization that they CAN'T do an investigation when charges have been made?
Imo, on ONE judge has that kind of power....period.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Four More Years....YES!!!
posted on March 25, 2005 08:36:04 PM new
coincoach. I do not think he is terri's husband as he does have another family, a live in girl friend and 2 children. Now who can he be true to. Not terri that is for sure. Sure he might have pity for her but that is all. Doesn't she have a right to live no matter what state her body is in. she is not on breathing life support only feeding tube support and I feel if she would have had the proper treatment in the beginning she wouldn't be on that. It is my opinion but I have seen many a stroke victim that couldn't eat but after rehabilitation eat certain foods not normal foods like steak but food that she could swallow to sustain her life.
I forgot to mention that the 2 children are his and his girlfriends.
I would advise that everyone get a living will so this doesn't happen to you
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[ edited by Libra63 on Mar 25, 2005 08:38 PM ]
posted on March 25, 2005 08:44:30 PM new
The case has been reviewed, investigated, reported on, examined, re-examined for 7 years. What's the hurry? If that is not due process, what is? The judge followed the letter of the law. It was found (whether you like it or not) that Terri Schiavo did not want live this way. So every time someone tries to thwart that wish, means one more day she is living in a manner that she didn't want to. What Congress did was unconstitutional. SEPARATION OF POWERS, remember? The Congress does not have the right or the power to give orders to the Judiciary. That is the American system of checks and balances.
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