posted on April 17, 2005 02:44:48 PM new
Dang it people, don't you know by now that bigpeepa knows all and sees all.
Obviously we have had our head in a bushel basket for years and we just can't see the light. He (bigpeepa) has been everywhere, seen everything and done that. All we have done in our life time is work. What everyone should be doing instead of sitting in homeless shelters.
I for one am tired of paying so that women can stay home and take care of their many children. Welfare is an enabler not a helper.
I for one honestly don't care what you have done bigpeepa, evidently you probably have not prepared yourself for your retirement if all you have been doing is selling antiques and pushing gas into your car driving around the country side visiting the rich and famous. This white house is nothing different than any other white house. It has white paint, windows and people living in them. Now if you are talking about the presidency this President has not brought disgrace to the Oval Office, the Lincoln Bedroom or even the parking lot where someone killed themselves Get over yourself bigpeepa and start getting yourself a positive attitude instead of looking for doom and gloom everywhere you drive. What is your problem are the Republicans refusing to pay your 3x the money.
And oh BTW did you read about the AOL monitor in the child discussion board that singled out a "Child" and had lured her to him. Now AOL is being sued. This is one reason I am not an AOL fan to many children and not enough supervision.
BTW Americans have been suffering for a long time. Homeless shelters are years old. Nothing new. But according to you they just popped up. I see the same homeless person that leans on a mailbox waiting for a handout so he can go buy that lottery ticket. He says it for food but we know better.
If the economy is so bad where is Greenspan. We have had more new homes built last year than any other year and still going. More people are buying the large SUV's and it isn't stopping. They predict there there will be no loss in travel even if gas is $2.50 a gallon.
Just had to vent sorry.....I am so sick of hearing about my mindset. You would think bigpeepa is a psychiatrist.
posted on April 17, 2005 03:09:11 PM new
Helenjw, I won't disagree that the government was one effect on the economy, but not the sole effect.
I refuse to see this administration as the "evil" it is being portrayed as. It has many faults yes.
bigpeepa, do you actually know what an opinion is? It seems from your words that I am quoting facts and your attack upon me is uncalled for and unfounded.
posted on April 17, 2005 04:28:11 PM new
washingtonebayer & Libra63, Yes, I have seen more suffering of the poor,sick and needy Americans than both of you put together. I have no wish to attack either one of you. Unless I hear crap from you guys like people are looking for hand outs etc. Just read Libra63 statements below and then tell me I shouldn't attack this kind of stupidity.
Libra63,"I for one am tired of paying so that women can stay home and take care of their many children. Welfare is an enabler not a helper." Hey Libra63 do you think you and your kind are going to stop unwanted BABIES from being born? When unwanted BABIES are born what does your kind want? Does your kind want to starve them?
Libra63, said this, "BTW Americans have been suffering for a long time. Homeless shelters are years old. Nothing new. But according to you they just popped up. I see the same homeless person that leans on a mailbox waiting for a handout so he can go buy that lottery ticket. He says it for food but we know better."
Then Libra63 goes on to talk about my retirement. This poor woman has no idea what I make or don't make. A few days ago Libra said her husband makes (if I remember right) around $24,000 a year. I am sure he is a nice hard working man but Libra63 if that is all your husband makes along with your SS. I can't see where your family pays very much in taxes to #*!@ about. Here we have the joke of the day. Libra63 said her husband makes $24,000 a year and she votes republican. LOL
Even Pope John Paul called the capitalism in the U.S. and other countries a "WICKED FORM OF CAPITALISM"
posted on April 17, 2005 04:48:07 PM new
Without jobs, Libra, just what do you expect these people to do????? Starve, as bigpeepa said? Probably so. Most women with children also have an absentee husband or father. So, it's better to take it out on them by not allowing them food to eat or a roof over their heads. God help you if your husband loses that $24,000 a year job or you both become disabled. The shoe could easily be on the other foot. Unless you have known true hardship, you really have no room to speak because you couldn't possibly know what these men, women and children go through just to survive on a daily basis. I think you need to go to work in a shelter. You need to remove those rose-colored glasses of yours.
Bigpeepa is right, you can't be paying much in taxes. Not enough to complain about anyway. Ken makes $45,000 per year and I know what he pays as an independent contractor. Through the nose! Yet, I never hear him complain about any of his tax dollars going to the poor. He does complain that they're going over to Iraq though. A legitimate complaint.
I could barely get through your post without seeing red. Maybe someday when you need someone to have a heart, you'll find someone who doesn't.
posted on April 17, 2005 05:39:47 PM new
Cheryl I have been through harder times than you will ever see. I made it. You know nothing about my life and I am speaking from experience. If my family can make it so can others. Our country has become "someone owes me a living" and it just didn't start. It has been happening for the last 10 years or so. So you and Bigpeepa have to get off your high horses and stop saying it is the republicans fault. It is the fault of the American people for letting them get this way.
You can see red all you want I really don't care. My husband and I give and give a lot but there is only so much you can give. I want to see people help themselves. I don't want to hear "Poor Me" I can't get along. Have they ever heard the word "try"
Hey Libra63 do you think you and your kind are going to stop unwanted BABIES from being bornNo but I don't want to pay for them. What is planned parent hood for. What are birth control pills for. Tell me bigpeepa. What is birth control for? Tell me what do you think of a women who has 10 kids with 6 different men.
If my husband and I can live on that so can everyone else. We are not in poverty.
Yes many women have absentee husbands. Is that my fault? No. There are may women that get along fine without their husbands other women cry because they cannot make it. Why is that? Why can some make it and some not? Answer that. Is it easier to cry poor me?
I have worked in a shelter , I have friends that worked in a shelter so Cheryl please find out the truth before you speak.
That's not a joke bigpeepa I voted republican because I didn't want a traitor in the white house and you shouldn't want one either. Do I have to refresh you memory about John Kerry or do you remember Viet Nam and the Communist party. At least Jane Fonda said she was sorry you pal Kerry didn't. Do you want a religious many like Kerry in the white house. Yes, he was religious, well he gave speeches from a pulpit. Get over your self bigpeepa and get into the real world. If you voted for John Kerry tell me what his platform? Tell me what he was going to do for this country?
BTW Cheryl I worked 45 years and paid more than my share of taxes. When I was single I paid twice the amount of taxes a married couple did.
Bigpeepa what does paying taxes have to do with anything. If you work you pay. If you don't you pay the minimum. Everyone pays something. It is proportionate to the salary you make. Everyone will always pay taxes UNLESS you can find away around it. Is that what you do?
BTW who is Pope John Paul? I think he died many many years ago. Get your facts straight.
I am tired of you telling me about my mindset. What ever that is. You don't know me, I don't know you, thank goodness, so please don't talk about my mind set. I have a freedom of choice of what I want to do and who I want to vote for. I don't need you and I don't need to hear you tell me what my mind set is.
posted on April 17, 2005 06:23:25 PM newAll we have done in our life time is work. What everyone should be doing instead of sitting in homeless shelters.
Libra63, from your posts here during the past year or so I can't help but notice that you are quite ignorant about single mothers and also about the homeless people and how they got that way and how hard it is for some of them to take care of their children, to find a job and find housing again or any kind of help.
On top of the 3 million who were homeless or marginally homeless there are an additional 5 million poor people that spend over half of their incomes on housing, leaving them on the verge of homelessness. A missed paycheck, a health crisis, or an unpaid bill can easily push poor families over the edge into homelessness.
Perhaps if you took time to read a bit from this page it may enlighten you somewhat.
posted on April 17, 2005 07:36:48 PM newAnother country heard from...........
Libra63, does it bother you that much that I can post from the US and from Canada? I guess it does otherwise you wouldn't bring it up, right?
The site info on the homeless is about the US though some of it could very well pertain to other countries also. I realize that you have your mind made up (and also very closed) about certain issues but sometimes it doesn't hurt to open it a bit and see that things aren't always the way you tend to view them.
posted on April 17, 2005 07:55:26 PM new
You know Kiara I really don't care how many countries you can post from. Doesn't bother me a bit. I guess I am lucky I can post from one.
posted on April 17, 2005 07:59:50 PM new
Libra you asked, "Tell me bigpeepa. What is birth control for? Tell me what do you think of a women who has 10 kids with 6 different men."
My answer, I think that woman is mentally ill,retarded or a slut. What ever the case that woman needs more than birth control and so do the men that got her pregnant.
I also think those 10 kids are in BIG TROUBLE because of people like you and others that share your sick mind set. You asked I replied.
Libra63, I started this post it was about the beating the stock market took this week. Then you and a couple others starting blowing off subject smoke because you didn't have much to say about the stock market. Or was it an attempt to cover for the piss poor job your republican leaders are doing with the U.S. economy. Tell me Libra63 who has more to do with the stock market, George Bush or the woman with 10 kids.
Libra asks, "What is birth control for? Tell me what do you think of a women who has 10 kids with 6 different men."
I think that she is a mother of 10 children! As a moral society, we can't sit back and let children go without food, shelter and medical care if the mother is unable to take care of them. The fact that you disapprove of her life style is irrelevant. Her children are innocent and deserve good treatment whether they have the same father or many fathers.
Our economy should be built on moral grounds with an ethic of care for those who are dependent. This means NOT reducing Aid to Families with Dependent Children - as the Republican agenda plans...while they increase aid to the wealthy.
posted on April 17, 2005 08:36:13 PM new
Libra63, if you don't care where I post from then perhaps you can explain who your comment was directed to or why you felt the need to make it right after my post?
I think you should open your mind and realize that there are underlying problems with the economy and that not everyone is living beyond their means. Some people are working two or three jobs and barely keeping a roof over their head. I believe the middle class is slowly disappearing but that's just my opinion.
You seem to have the belief that everyone has their hand out asking for government help and I don't think that's true at all, most people I know want to take care of themselves. Didn't you once mention that you do daycare for your daughter to help her out? What about the mothers who have no one to help them so have to pay for daycare and also work two jobs to pay for everything else? And even for the ones that you think are irresponsible about having too many kids, remember that those kids are the future so don't discount them or blame them.
posted on April 17, 2005 08:59:00 PM new
I beg your pardon but Bigpeepa go back and read your posts. You are the one who started about the poor in america. It is on the previous page. So don't blame us....
Ron I just said that to see what Kiara would say. I would have used a bullet but some don't like them. We had a saying way back when, and I mean years ago that when someone butted into a topic. We would always say "Another Country Heard From" I just couldn't help it. Sorry.
But Helen I hate to burst your bubble, the majority of those kids will not grow up to be good citizens no matter how or what we do to help them. We can give them everything in the world and they will end up just like the parent. It has and is been known to happen. Take welfare for instance if a family is on welfare and they don't leave the house for work the children see that and they think do the same. There are many generations on welfare. The taxpayers provide their schooling for them but they don't attend. Truency is very high. Our school district is starting to hand out tickets.
Taxpayers provide Medical insurance, Dental insurance for them. Better than the average American. This is what I mean by welfare is an enabler not a helper. This has to be stopped when only 1 child is born. Let planned parenthood take over. Help that person, but we don't or if we try they want nothing to do with it. No matter how much money the taxpayers put into the system it doesn't work. Of course there are deserving people on welfare but it is very few, and I don't begruge them.
posted on April 17, 2005 09:19:52 PM new
Bigpeepa, while searching for an article on why the stock market plunged I came across this interesting article. Now when you read the title you might think this is a recent article but no it is from 1997.
White House Monitors Stock Market Plunge
Rubin says economy's fundamentals are strong
WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, Oct. 27) -- White House officials are reviewing today's 554-point plunge in the Dow Jones industrial average, and have briefed President Bill Clinton on the stock market's sharp sell-off.
After the markets closed, Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin offered a brief statement, saying so-called "circuit breakers" designed to halt trading had worked as designed and the White House would continue to monitor developments on Wall Street and in financial markets around the world as needed.
"It is important to remember that the fundamentals of the United States economy are strong and have been for the past several years, and the prospects for continued growth, with low inflation and low unemployment, are strong," said Rubin, who declined to answer questions.
Earlier, White House Press Secretary Mike McCurry said an administration financial group, including representatives from the Securities and Exchange Commission, the Treasury Department, the Federal Reserve and other agencies, had met to review the situation.
Officials said Rubin also was in touch with the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank to see if there were ways to stabilize Asian markets, which have contributed to the U.S. stock market's unpredictability.
Clinton avoided comment on the market's precipitous drop during an afternoon speech to the Democratic Leadership Council.
"The president is mindful of the fact that the fundamentals in this economy are strong and that's what matters most," McCurry told reporters.
McCurry described the drop, about 7 percent off the Dow Jones average, as "a bare fraction of major breathtaking drops in the past."
"We want everyone to just take a deep breath and think about where we are," McCurry said. "This is a market that has performed amazingly well ... so let's just be calm and reasonable."
The White House's strategy was to avoid comments that could be misinterpreted and exacerbate the market's volatility.
posted on April 17, 2005 09:31:41 PM newRon I just said that to see what Kiara would say. I would have used a bullet but some don't like them.We had a saying way back when, and I mean years ago that when someone butted into a topic. We would always say "Another Country Heard From" I just couldn't help it. Sorry.
Libra63, I read Vendio's user agreement and I don't see where it says that I have to ask permission to post my opinion on a topic here. So it's okay that you can post daily to any discussion on the board but if I only post every couple of weeks it's butting in? So sorry, carry on. Before I go, I will say that you're one of the rudest people on this board.
posted on April 18, 2005 04:14:12 AM new
no fenix, what do you mean sweetie? let classic in on it
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posted on April 18, 2005 04:47:53 AM newthe majority of those kids will not grow up to be good citizens no matter how or what we do to help them.
I hate to burst your self-centered bubble, Libra, but my granddaughter is one of those children (an absentee father who doesn't pay child support, a mother who barely gets by working full time and needs some public assistance to put food on the table and pay for childcare during the summer months) and I resent your comment. Her school is full of these children you are so eager to condemn. They are bright, eager to learn and well behaved. They may not have new shoes on their feet or the latest in clothing. The only good meal they may get is at school, but they have a future. They have a parent who cares enough to be involved with their education. Thank God people like you are in the minority in this country or we'd be in more trouble than we are now. Thank goodness we do have teachers and administrators who care about them. Thank goodness there are still people out there willing to mentor and help prepare these children to break the cycle of poverty. Thankfully, no one has to ask for your help.
Did you ever live in the inner-city, Libra? I mean the REAL inner-city. Ever watch as low-income housing is torn down and replaced by homes costing hundreds of thousands of dollars because the city wants to beautify an area heavily traveled by the upper echelon? Ever wonder where these poor people are forced to go? Get tossed around from home-to-home a few times. . .live in an housing project that is full of crime because the police don't want to bother with it. . . Ever wonder why a disproportionate number of children living in these conditions are African American? Do you cringe walking through a poor neighborhood when an African American or Hispanic teenager passes you on the street? I suspect you do. Just as they are influenced by their upbringing, you have been influenced by yours.
Some of these children you consider scum because of the circumstances in which they've been forced to live, come to my home each winter to shovel my snow and each spring and summer to mow my lawn. They know we are more than eager to pay them to work. I have two able bodied men in this house who could easily do it themselves, but we take pride in helping these children out. How many in the neighborhood turn them away because they're African American or Hispanic teenagers? Probably a good number of them. Not willing to work? Shoveling a heavy snow is far more work than turning a burger at McDonald's, which BTW is full of these children you condemn working long hours and going to school.
Is it your opinion that all poor children are inherently bad and if you just keep them "where they belong" your safe, secure republican world will be better off? God, I can't believe we live in a society that still thinks this way. God help us all.
BTW, Libra, I was one of those children, too. My mother had two very small children to care for and was divorced from my father. He wasn't paying child support and there was no system in place at the time to make him. She had never worked and couldn't find a job that would support us all. Granted it was only for a short time, but we were on public assistance. My brother? He's a very successful plant manager making $80,000 a year. I'm doing alright myself. I'm most certainly not begging for anything and I'm not a criminal. Maybe you'd have to have been truly poor to understand.
Sorry, everyone, for the rant. But, when I feel one of my own is being attacked, I attack.
Cheryl
"He who bears the interests of humanity in his breast, that man is blessed."
Johann Heinrich Pestalozzi
[ edited by CBlev65252 on Apr 18, 2005 05:24 AM ]
posted on April 18, 2005 07:08:40 AM new
Cheryl I am not personally attacking you. Why do you think that. Everything I post you take offense to as you are thinking I am talking about you. Get over it. This is not about you it is about the the welfare system not being accountable for the actions of their clients. What do you think about children on welfare that wear $150.00 shoes, designer jackets, designer clothes. Then they can't afford to buy groceries. That is what is happening around here.
Evidently you live in the wrong area. In our inner city houses are torn down, replaced and the people put back in them. They have some pretty nice housing. Nice apartment buildings My son-in-law and Daughter own an apartment building in the inner city and when they bought it they put in quite a bit of money so the people could have some nice living. It is in a very nice neighborhood with nice people. The city makes sure that the inner city is kept up and if not the owners are fined. They inspect once a year send notices about repairs if any and then go back and check.
For what it is worth our homeless shelter is now going to build a new building because the one they have is to small, and that will house families and this is all done by donation.
Thanks for the compliment Kiara and I think the same about you. Evidently you read into my postings something different than I do.
posted on April 18, 2005 11:17:13 AM new
Libra63, the more you post the more you expose your mind set. It looks like the majority of people both Republicans and Democrats find you words repulsive and selfish. Sorry old girl your misguided and totally selfish words cooked you a long time ago. Now by your own words you are totally burnt. Soon by your own words you will become so charred you won't even be able to make or blow smoke any longer.
posted on April 22, 2005 03:36:21 AM new
Libra63, Your post shows one good day for the market. If you bought into the market a couple weeks ago you are still a loser.
Results of a CNN poll posted by Libra63 below
What concerns you most about the U.S. economy?
Rising deficits 66%
Inflation 21%
GDP growth 5%
Everything's fine 9%
