posted on May 27, 2005 09:57:16 PM new
Here's just one MORE example of scientists disagreeing with each others findings.
Imo, why most can find scientists from differing sides who will swear they're right.
But maybe it is, after all, JUST junk science, that EACH side uses to PROVE their own *opinions/theories*/
Lower 48 Run Counter to Global Warming Theory
Seth Borenstein
Knight Ridder
WASHINGTON—
While the rest of the world is getting hotter, the continental United States has become just a smidge cooler and a lot wetter in the past third of a century, according to a new federal study.
The latest data, which detected a shift in the climate in the lower 48 states since 1966, runs counter to what many Americans have been feeling and what scientists have been theorizing. Conducted by two researchers at the Climate Prediction Center, the study concludes the cooling has been subtle, variable and quite likely not statistically significant. It's barely 1/30th of a degree cooler per decade for the lower 48 states as a whole.
In the northern Midwest and west of the Rockies, it has gotten hotter, and much hotter in Southern California. But it is cooler in the East—especially the Southeastand the lower Midwest.
It's cooler nationwide mostly because late summers and falls have been cooler. Winters have been warmer.
There's been nothing subtle or variable about precipitation in the nation. It's been hard to miss. Nearly the entire country—except for slivers of Idaho, Washington state and Oregon—has been wetter. Much wetter.
The United States has been getting 9/lOths of an inch more precipitation every decade since 1966. And each month is more moist than it used to be, with autumn far wetter.
"We can't really pin any of this on a definite physical cause," said study co-author Rich Tinker, a meteorologist at the Climate Prediction Center, a division of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
There's disagreement about what this means in the continuing debate about the "greenhouse effect," a theory that pegs a gradual warming of the planet to the excesses of an industrial age.
Skeptics of global warming say the study confirms what they thought: The world isn't getting hotter; maybe parts of it are, but not the globe as a whole.
"Global warming doesn't mean that everywhere warms up at once, but rather there's complicated changes in weather," said Kevin Trenberth, head of c1imate analysis at the nonprofit National Center for Atmospheric Research. He said the Arctic (including Alaska), Russia and Europe are warming tremendously.
That's why Europeans are more active in efforts to combat global warming: They feel it more than people in Washington, where the temperature hasn't changed much.
The National Center for Atmospheric Research released the results of a new computer model that forecasts that rain in the American Southwest and Great Plains will increase 40 percent and world temperatures will rise by 3 degrees during the next century because of increases in carbon dioxide emissions.
Climate change skeptic and former National Weather Service official Fred Singer, president of the environmental Policy Project, said the two studies highlight the differences in climate change **theory**.
"It depends on who you believe," Singer said. "Should you believe in the atmosphere or should you believe in the (computer) models? I prefer to believe in the atmosphere." Singer said the U.S. weather trend study confirms earlier research.
BUT surprise of all surprises But not all studies agree.
posted on May 27, 2005 09:59:03 PM new "IF clinton SO believed in all the lowering of this and that...then HE should have initiated THEM ALL DURING HIS administration
There was an impressive improvement of the environment during the Clinton administration. According to the Brookings report, during his presidency, environmental targets were made more stringent and environmental quality improved significantly! They cited the National Ambient Air Quality Standards for ambient ozone and particulate matter as the most impressive in terms of potential benefits...which they designated as the Clinton Administration's most enduring environmental legacy.
posted on May 27, 2005 10:19:51 PM newNot at all. Just pointing out that the profe is once again calling others on their behavior when I've never seen you call crowfarm on her behavior.
You're wrong about that Linda. Crow and I have gotten into it more than once. I've challenged her and Maggie on a couple of occasions, and I bet some, or many will back me up on that. Just because you've never seen it doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Your sorry old double standard line isn't valid here.
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Dick Cheney: "I have not suggested there's a connection between Iraq and 9/11..."
posted on May 27, 2005 10:35:35 PM new
Sorry profe, but her crap has gone on for months and months. Again, that I saw, you only made mention when they got on YOUR case...not when cf was giving it to others. I only saw your silence.
But here...you chide bear, libra, and ?
when they're fed up with her crap and you warn them? I do see that as being different...and yes, because I never saw you do the SAME to cf. I never saw you come and warn cf if SHE continued those same actions...then she deserved whatever she got.
I'm not arguing about it with you, I'm calling it as I see it. And I see it as unbalanced to those on the 'right'.
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Four More Years....YES!!!
Libra, Bear, et al, if you end up in a row with crow in this thread, you have nobody to blame but yourselves. How about you go read the article and make some halfway intelligent comments on IT, rather than childish insults directed at the poster?
bolded is what I NEVER saw you saying to cf....
[ edited by Linda_K on May 27, 2005 10:41 PM ]
posted on May 28, 2005 06:43:59 AM new "Sorry profe, but her crap has gone on for months and months."
We all have opinions that may be considered "crap" by others. For example I consider every post that you make, "crap" and that crap has gone on for years and years...On the other hand, someone like Bear may find your posts agreeable... We all have opposition to deal with, linda. You are the problem...not crowfarm.
posted on May 28, 2005 06:45:21 AM new
I see crowfarm is editing her posts again. Not once now but twice. What's wrong did you spell something wrong, did you screw up. What's your problem, you hate criticism
and you know something else crowfarm, you only have to make a statement once. How childish you are when you keep saying the same things over and over. It shows your ignorance.
Can someone explain something to me. Why does crowfarm C & P everyones statement. Does she think we can't read or is it her that can't understand what is posted. It is the same day after day. someone posts then Crowfarm C&P's it. I bet I know she is practing her C&P. She hasn't mastered it yet.
You should know by now Linda, the "lefties" never critize their own We don't want to make them feel bad because one of their own didn't like what they said.
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posted on May 28, 2005 06:57:05 AM new
It's raining and i can't get out to my garden so here goes :
""Libra63
posted on May 28, 2005 06:45:21 AM new
I see crowfarm is editing her posts again. Not once now but twice. What's wrong did you spell something wrong, did you screw up. What's your problem, you hate criticism """
Ok, libra, now get your dried up butt into Dble's "I'm scared and sorried" thread and check out ALL the editing...YOUR double standard is showing....why didn't you ask Dble what SHE was hiding?
"""and you know something else crowfarm, you only have to make a statement once. How childish you are when you keep saying the same things over and over. It shows your ignorance."""
How many times , Libra, have YOU stated "get over it" get over it" get over it" ? Can't post an intelligent reply so you just repeat "get over it".
""Can someone explain something to me. Why does crowfarm C & P everyones statement. Does she think we can't read or is it her that can't understand what is posted. It is the same day after day. someone posts then Crowfarm C&P's it. I bet I know she is practing her C&P. She hasn't mastered it yet. """
Ohstupid one, I HAVE mastered it just like your mommy linduh. I C&P someone's post, as I have told you before, to clarify my points. I know that doesn't help you because nothing will ever be clear to YOU but it may help others.....Don't like it? GET OVER IT!
"""You should know by now Linda, the "lefties" never critize their own We don't want to make them feel bad because one of their own didn't like what they said."""
Now go criticize linduh and Dble for C&Ping and editing (High Crimes and Misdemeanors)since you obviously can't say a single thing about the topic.
posted on May 28, 2005 07:06:21 AM newI see crowfarm is editing her posts again. Not once now but twice. What's wrong did you spell something wrong, did you screw up. What's your problem, you hate criticism
Oh, GROW UP. You have to be by far one of the most childish posters on this board. I see that you notice not only that cf edited a post, but you noticed how many times she edited it. Are you stalking her?
posted on May 28, 2005 07:19:09 AM new
I'm not done:
Libra, "and you know something else crowfarm, you only have to make a statement once. How childish you are when you keep saying the same things over and over. It shows your ignorance."
How many times have you brought up Bigpeepa's selling to Republicans...you just did in another thread.
How many times have you brought up my 9% pay cut (especially when it had nothing to do with the topic)?
How many times have you brought up my C&Ping when others do it all the time.
How many times have you accused others of calling names and then sling some of your own?
posted on May 28, 2005 07:28:00 AM new
You grow up cheryl. Have you noticed how many times crowfarm criticized my spelling, punctuation. I have no idea if she does it or not anymore since I don't read what she writes. She is like a babbling brook. It's called ignore.
You can say all the nasty things you want about me Cheryl if it makes you feel better. Now after that post you can enjoy yourself for the rest of the day because you just criticized Libra.
Where does it say I can't post, where does it say I have to fit into your way of posting. Show me because if it is written I will abide by that. Stalking crowfarm no criticizing yes as she does that to me all the time. Stalking is what crowfarm does to Linda. If you notice I have been in this board twice. Once last night at 2am and this morning at 9:00. I don't stalk in fact I don't read crowfarms posts but I can see how many times she edits. She has diarrhea of the mouth so I don't read her rants. Get over it.
Poor poor crowfarm, now she needs someone to defend her...
posted on May 28, 2005 07:36:31 AM new
Libra whines,
"You grow up cheryl(does this sound like a petulant child or what?). Have you noticed how many times crowfarm criticized my spelling, punctuation. I have no idea if she does it or not anymore since I don't read what she writes. She is like a babbling brook. It's called ignore.
You can say all the nasty things you want about me Cheryl if it makes you feel better. Now after that post you can enjoy yourself for the rest of the day because you just criticized Libra.(pout,pout,pout)
Where does it say I can't post, where does it say I have to fit into your way of posting. Show me because if it is written I will abide by that. Stalking crowfarm no criticizing yes as she does that to me all the time. Stalking is what crowfarm does to Linda. If you notice I have been in this board twice. Once last night at 2am and this morning at 9:00. I don't stalk in fact I don't read crowfarms posts but I can see how many times she edits. She has diarrhea of the mouth so I don't read her rants.
Get over it. """
So glad YOU don't repeat yourself by saying "get over it" amillion times a day!
So glad you you don't read my posts but know exactly what they say.
So glad you don't read my posts but object to the editing ...that is just not LOGICAL libra!
So glad you've put me on ignore which is like a babbling brook according to you.
Glad you put me on ignore about 400 times and stil keep responding to my posts.
Don't want comments on your spelling....LEARN TO SPELL!
You just proved my point. Rather than saying something to the effect of, "Sorry you think I'm childish, but I personally don't think I am at all. You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine" (a perfectly grown-up response), you come back with "You grow up cheryl",
posted on May 28, 2005 10:37:28 AM new
How ironic. After reputing Craws claim of RFK, jr's STERLING CHARACTER and EXPERTISE, she shifts from a BS claim by the convected felon (RFK,jr) claim accusing Pres Bush of junk science to attacking AS USUAL those who provide an opposing view.
Crows taunts referring to Linda as Linduh, calling me a fascist and in general attacking all those who oppose her rants, is a true indication of a small minded, hate filled "little" person she is.
A word to the wise ain't necessary, it's the stupid ones that need the advice."
- Bill Cosby
posted on May 28, 2005 10:58:21 AM new
No, bear, I did not call you a fascist and I'm sorry you have short term memory loss but here's YOUR posts attacking me.
Can't take the logic? Too bad!
Bear1949
posted on May 27, 2005 09:32:18 AM
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One of the founding principles of Fascism is to attack the intellectuals ...teachers, scientists and so on.
Guess that makes you immune from attack.
Bear1949
posted on May 27, 2005 11:05:29 AM
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Great words of wisdom Crow, your Artificial intelligence is no match for your natural stupidity.
posted on May 28, 2005 11:04:22 AM new
As to Kennedy being a convicted felon.....HE has done , is doing, and will do much better than some I could name .
Let's see some proof of YOUR credentials and accomplishments to compare
posted on May 28, 2005 11:05:27 AM new
You know, Cheryl, cf has been harassing Libra for months. If you act like you dont see that, then youre out of touch with these boards, too. Or blind as a bat.
Personally, I think Libra is pretty funny when she hits her mark the way she does... I bet I know; she is practing her C&P. She hasn't mastered it yet....
- How true is that statement? You have to laugh.
Crowfarm repeats practically somebody's entire post before she starts on her rant and rave idiotic retorts. It's like an OCD thing she is hung up on. And most times, it makes her post not even worth the time reading.
Ya tell libra to grow up and dig yourself on the ye old muck and mire, there.
posted on May 28, 2005 11:20:10 AM new
I'm mortally wounded , bear.
And Dble, libra has said many times that she has me on ignore...she CAN just stop reading my posts but she chooses not to.
Libra entered this thread shooting with both barrels some of the dumbest stuff I've ever read ( and nothing on the topic)and just got back what she asked for.
As LIBRA says, ""where does it say I have to fit into your way of posting"
Then she proceeds to say how somone should post....
posted on May 28, 2005 11:32:21 AM new
So, what do you call someone who takes the time to count how many times someone else edits their posts? Someone with too much time on their hands?
posted on May 28, 2005 11:51:40 AM new
Dont give me that, Cheryl. Many a poster here has logged time frames, posts from three years ago, etc. - Have you ever accused them of having too much time on their hands??? Ever?
No, because it's a silly little power play posters on this board do. The fact that you only seem to think it remarkable stupid or childish is when Libra or somebody else you dont particularly care for does it is a weak jab. It is amazing some of you have this really whacked-out talent for preserving your sense of fairness and judgment only where and to whom you want to on this board.
posted on May 28, 2005 11:56:04 AM new
Double, please show me a post where Cheryl said she didn't care for Libra, or anyone else for that matter. What's wrong with you?
posted on May 28, 2005 12:00:37 PM new
Whats wrong with you, kraft?
Read the thread and figure it out for yourself or cant you read? Cheryl taking the time to tell libra to grow-up isnt exactly a love-dovie statement. Find another cockershells to plant with kraftynaste'
posted on May 28, 2005 12:34:27 PM new
Good gawd, Double. I've told people to grow up and all sorts of things. It doesn't mean I'm being nasty. As for Cheryl, on a scale of nastiness, she wouldn't even register. (I'm sticking my tongue out at you.)
"""Bear1949
posted on May 28, 2005 12:07:24 PM
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No, bear, I did not call you a fascist
And you crow are a liar. You know you did and so do I.""""
posted on May 28, 2005 12:52:47 PM new
And while I'm here, Double, does saying someone is a Bay-O-Pigs type lesbian that has 666 up her butt, nasty in your opinion?
don't always produce the desired results.
LOL