"I was the one that would have received it." It was a really strange reply and disturbing delivery. Not at all incredulous at the concept.
Absolutely not. In Liddy's book, "Will" he discusses the lethal weapons that he owned and said in reference to one assassination pistol... "I intended it for use in the event Bud Krogh or other of my White House superiors tasked me with an assassination."
posted on June 1, 2005 03:04:45 PM new
::I wonder how many REALLY care what happened over 30 years ago. Liberals might..and I have no doubt they'll try and get the most then can out of keeping this issue current.::
Well, according to you if it is in the newspaper it must be news and it was on the front page of probably every paper in the country this morning. You are going to have a hard time selling that it is a liberal only issue as well since I saw both Liddy and Kissinger on Fox this morning talking about it in separate segments and for the two hours or so I watched it was by far the dominant topic.
It was a major part of our history and DT was the one aspect of it that was still a mystery. Of course it is news and people are going to be interested.
I'm wondering though, since you insist that it should not be interesting or relevant since it is in the past... what exactly is the expiration date on political scandal? Chappaquiddick predates Watergate and yet one of our fellow posters still enjoys dragging that golden oldie out for a run around the block every so often.
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posted on June 1, 2005 03:06:44 PM new
KD-You've lost your sense of humour I am going to take this out of context and tell you the way crowfarm has posted to me there is no sense of humour anymore. I can't say anything with out defamed by crowfarm. This is the reason she is on ignore. It was a pleasure yesterday afternoon when there was real discussion on this board. I have no idea what she is posting today but she is all over this board and I am sure what she is saying isn't nice. There is never any discussion with that person here. Always C&P, name calling etc. So why shouldn't someone lose their sense of humour in here.
When that happened with her and Linda typed her name she was all over Linda and in every thread. Linda only directed her post to Logansdad.
Now back to the subject. I find it ironic that this person has said nothing when so many people were accused of being Deep Throat. He wouldn't stand by any of them, but sat back and let them blame everyone. Is that a true hero? Now 30 years later it appears. If it was him why didn't he come forward sooner. Nixon resigned, died he had nothing to lose if he would have stepped in sooner. So what if he would have passed away without revealing who he was. His revealing his identity only made hero's out of the two Washington Post reporters. Also if he had passed away the two reporters wouldn't have been hero's. JMHO
posted on June 1, 2005 03:07:42 PM new
Dbl - I don't honestly believe you are this dense but just in case you are... read Helens post. She seems to have grasped the point with very little effort.
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posted on June 1, 2005 03:11:06 PM new
Oh I get it now. The fact that there might be assassinations requested is the incredulous part. ummm..so who killed JFK?
in the event
Even "in the event" is not an admission that anything ever went on. Only that Liddy was prepared to think so in his mind there might be.
posted on June 1, 2005 03:17:18 PM new
[i]I'm wondering though, since you insist that it should not be interesting or relevant....
LOL...you posts proves a point I often try and make here. How the left takes something someone said and twists it all into a TOTALLY DIFFERENT MEANING.
I said I WONDER...and that's certainly not insisting. NOR did I say: that it should not be interesting or relevant to anyone.
LOL...it's funny because so many leftie posters do this....try and start an arguement by mistaking/twisting what was ACTUALLY said by the person they want to 'rumble' with.
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posted on June 1, 2005 03:23:23 PM new
You think I am the only one who doesnt find this ultra exciting:
Here's a read. Perhaps I can find more.
June 1, 2005
BY NEIL STEINBERG SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST
If it turned out that Chuck Colson had set up Richard Nixon, hiring comic Rich Little to dub the damning sections of the Watergate tapes, now that would be big news, altering our understanding of history and rewriting the legacy of the most complex and enigmatic figure of 20th century American politics.
But the identity of "Deep Throat?" The mere name of the guy who leaked details of the Watergate conspiracy to Washington Post reporters Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein? That's a footnote. Drumroll please: It seems to have been a little-known FBI functionary named W. Mark Felt, who had vigorously denied it in the past.
So why was the story treated as if it were the Capitol building on fire? Why did the news stations break into President Bush's press conference -- heck, the mystery waited 30 years; it could wait a little longer.
The Cable News Network devoted a solid half hour to the initial Deep Throat coverage -- they have a rule, apparently, that only one story at a time can be covered.
Which is fitting since CNN's 25th anniversary is today, and the monomaniacal fixation upon stories of little actual significance is the true legacy of 24-hour news. Perspective is gone, balance is gone, and we get all Runaway Bride, all the time.
There is a delicious irony somewhere here. The Watergate scandal was a story that unfolded slowly, after months of shoe-leather reporting. Most of the media ignored it during its initial stages. Watergate was the antithesis of the security-camera journalism we see today, when one source dribbles out a fact -- Vanity Fair outs Deep Throat -- and the rest of the media, as a herd, trots over and snuffles at it until they catch the scent of the next Big Story of the Moment, utter a single harmonious bleat, and hurry as one in a new direction.
posted on June 1, 2005 03:23:42 PM new
::I find it ironic that this person has said nothing when so many people were accused of being Deep Throat. He wouldn't stand by any of them, but sat back and let them blame everyone.::
Who blamed? Outside the guys that went to prison, who "blamed" Deep Throat. Hell, that's been a big attention getting claim to fame.
::So what if he would have passed away without revealing who he was. His revealing his identity only made hero's out of the two Washington Post reporters. Also if he had passed away the two reporters wouldn't have been hero's.::
I think he came forward because his family asked him to and I think that Woodward and Bernstein have showed a great deal of integrity by keeping the identity a secret for three decades because they promised him that they would. In fact, if you follow the timeline yesterday, When the news first broke in the morning, their first statement was that they would not confirm the inform, that they had made a promise to their source not to reveal his identity and until they were personally released from that commitment by him they would continue to stand by it. It was not until later in the day after he spoke to Felt that Woodward confirmed the information. I find that highly honorable.
As far as them not being "heros", I'm not sure what you mean by that. If you are talking about exposing the whole ball of wax, that's already happened. They already got many an accolade for that one. If you are implying that they would not have been in demand if this had come out after his death, I think you are quite wrong. Everytime one of the men rumored to have been Deep Throat died, the announcement of his death was immediately followed for the time that news agency would be airing their interview with Woodward, Bernstein or Bradlee to tease a possible reveal.
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posted on June 1, 2005 03:28:22 PM new
Dbl - you are still not getting it. I;m just not quite sure why if you have no interest in it you keep talking about it.
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posted on June 1, 2005 03:32:39 PM newI think he came forward because his family asked him to and I think that Woodward and Bernstein have showed a great deal of integrity by keeping the identity a secret for three decades because they promised him that they would.
I disagree. They had all promised not to disclose this info until after he DIED. No honor there, imo. They've taken advantage of this man's poor health...his inability to make that 'call' himself. And his family and his 'buds' DO have a financial stake in doing this now.
After waiting 30 years, they could have honored his request....wait until he died.
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posted on June 1, 2005 03:35:06 PM new
"Hell, that's been a big attention getting claim to fame"
Indeed it has...Other Republicans rumored to be likely Deepthroat suspects incuded Nixon speechwriters Pat Buchanan and David Gergen; Gray, the acting FBI director; Alexander Haig, the presidential candidate and deputy national security advisor; and George H.W. Bush, the former president and onetime head of the CIA.
posted on June 1, 2005 03:42:02 PM new
LOL....yep...the left feeds off 'rumors'....takes them and let's their imagination run wild. Facts aren't important...if you just keep repeating rumors....some will eventually come to believe it's true.
Other Republicans rumored to be
Kind of goes
along with all the sources they use to support arguments with - like the words:
if
maybe
might be
could have been
etc...you get the picture.
edited to add: the left's most FAMOUS line...when reporting their stories: we've heard from
anonymous sources
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posted on June 1, 2005 03:45:49 PM new
Well, the righties have proved their ignorance of the facts as usual but the DUMBEST comment is, ""Some people love to build conspiracy where there is none.""
posted on June 1, 2005 03:47:23 PM new
Here is a brief time line of events.
June 17: Five men are arrested in the burglary of Democratic National Committee headquarters in the Watergate office and apartment complex in Washington.
June 19: W. Mark Felt, the No. 2 official at the FBI and a leader in the federal investigation of the break-in, begins providing information to Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward. In "All the President's Men," the book Woodward and Carl Bernstein wrote about their investigation, the reporters referred to their secret source as "Deep Throat."
Aug. 1: A $25,000 cashier's check, apparently earmarked for President Nixon's reelection campaign, ends up in the bank account of a Watergate burglar, the Washington Post reports.
Sept. 29: John N. Mitchell, while serving as attorney general, controlled a secret Republican fund used to finance widespread intelligence-gathering operations against Democrats, the Post reports.
Oct. 10: FBI agents establish that the Watergate break-in stemmed from a massive campaign of political spying and sabotage conducted on behalf of the Nixon reelection effort, the Post reports.
Nov. 7: President Nixon is reelected with more than 60% of the vote.
1973
Jan. 30: Former Nixon aides G. Gordon Liddy and James W. McCord Jr. are convicted of conspiracy, burglary and wiretapping in the Watergate incident.
April 30: Nixon's top White House aides, H.R. Haldeman and John D. Ehrlichman, and Atty. Gen. Richard G. Kleindienst resign over the Watergate scandal. White House Counsel John W. Dean III is fired.
May 18: The Senate Watergate Committee begins its nationally televised hearings. Atty. Gen.-designate Elliot L. Richardson names Archibald Cox as Watergate special prosecutor.
July 23: Nixon refuses to turn over the presidential tape recordings to the Senate Watergate Committee or the special prosecutor.
Oct. 20: The "Saturday night massacre": Richardson and his deputy, William D. Ruckelshaus, resign rather than follow Nixon's order to fire Cox. Nixon abolishes the office of the special prosecutor.
Nov. 17: Nixon declares, "I am not a crook," maintaining his innocence in the Watergate scandal.
1974
Feb. 6: The House votes 410 to 4 to give the Judiciary Committee broad power to conduct an impeachment investigation.
April 30: The White House releases more than 1,200 pages of edited transcripts of the Nixon tapes to the House Judiciary Committee. The panel demands that the actual tapes be turned over.
July 24: The Supreme Court rules that Nixon must turn over the tape recordings of 64 White House conversations, rejecting the president's claim of executive privilege.
July 27-30: The House Judiciary Committee approves three articles of impeachment.
Aug. 5: Responding to a Supreme Court order, Nixon releases the "smoking gun" tape, which showed that he took part in the coverup six days after the break-in.
Aug. 9: Nixon resigns.
Sept. 8: President Ford grants Nixon a "full, free and absolute pardon."
posted on June 1, 2005 05:27:52 PM new
WOW LOGANSDAD, you sure buried Linda_K in her own THREATS,LIES AND BULL ROAR this time, BIG TIME.
Linda_K said "Notice KD doesn't appear to realize that I am arguing my points/positions to how many leftie posters?" HA HA HA Linda_K.
Linda_K you are not arguing your "points/position" with "leftie" you are arguing your "points/positions" with YOURSELF. HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!
I'll bet you have all noticed that the "L" sisters are THREATENING other posters again and again. Having nothing to say they can only THREATEN. Its so very funny to watch the demise of the "L" sisters and their wacko mindsets. HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!
posted on June 1, 2005 05:44:52 PM new
Linda - HE came out. They got blindsided yesterday. They did not know he was going to come out with the information, they did not out him. Once he outed himself and then released them from the promise so that they could confirm it rather than have everyone call him a crackpot because they would not say anything what did you expect them to do.
the first question everyone asked was do you really think it was him. What do you think would have happened if a 91 year old man came out and said "I am Deep Throat" and when asked, the only people who could confirm it said "Nope, we ain't saying nothin' til he's dead." He would have been ridiculed, eaten alive, and labeled a crackpot.
Sorry but I don't see where that would have been honorable.
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posted on June 1, 2005 05:59:45 PM new
fenix - What I am trying to say...is that, so far, no where have I seen it written that Mark Felt, himself, outted this or wanted this info. outted.
Per helen's article:
The confirmation came from Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein, the two Washington Post reporters who broke the Watergate story, and their former top editor, Benjamin C. Bradlee. The three spoke after Felt's family and Vanity Fair magazine identified the 91-year-old Felt, now a retiree in California, as the long-anonymous source who provided crucial guidance for some of the newspaper's groundbreaking Watergate stories.
And they had previously agreed NOT to do so.
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posted on June 1, 2005 06:59:29 PM new
NY publishers eye 'Deep Throat' for secrets 2 hours, 9 minutes ago
NEW YORK (Reuters) - With the mystery of his identity finally solved, the big question left to answer is will Deep Throat keep talking and write a book about his role in the Watergate scandal that felled President Richard Nixon
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Former FBI No. 2 Mark Felt finally admitted publicly on Tuesday that he was the source who leaked secrets about the Watergate investigation to two Washington Post reporters more than 30 years ago.
One of those reporters, Bob Woodward, is expected to come out with a new book "in the very near future," according to Publishers Weekly senior editor Steve Zeitchik.
"My feeling talking to some insiders is Bob Woodward has been working on this book for some time," he said.
Simon & Schuster, which published Woodward's previous best-selling books, declined to comment and his representative Robert Barnett did not return calls.
Lawyer and "Deep Throat" family friend John O'Connor wrote in Vanity Fair that Felt's daughter Joan had discussed Felt and Woodward collaborating in a book to reveal Felt's identity, but that Woodward had put her off.
While that would indicate a "dream-team" book co-authored by Woodward and Felt is unlikely, O'Connor did hint at a book in the article when he said part of the family's motivation in going public was that there might be some profit in it.
"Bob Woodward's gonna get all the glory for this, but we could make at least enough money to pay some bills, like the debt I've run up for the kids' education," Felt's daughter Joan was quoted as saying.
Robert Weil, executive editor at publisher W. W. Norton, said a book by Felt in collaboration with a co-author would be the biggest prize for any publisher.
"Whenever somebody has suppressed information for such a long time and of such consequence and he's finally ready to spill the beans ... I think you would get a dramatic story," Weil said. "It's been bubbling inside him to boiling point."
Michael Cader, editor of publishersmarketplace.com Web site, agreed but said it was far from clear that Felt was interested in collaborating on a book.
"I don't think we've learned yet whether the prospect of a windfall would tempt him or make him feel worse," Cader said. "Obviously he's wrestled for decades."
But he said if Felt does tell his story, the bidding could easily reach $1 million. "If he really wants to tell the full story anything less than seven figures would surprise me."
The Watergate scandal, spurred largely by secrets leaked by "Deep Throat," showed a litany of corruption and abuse of office that ultimately led to Nixon's August 1974 resignation -- the only resignation of a U.S. president in history.
A first-person account by Felt would also depend on his state of health, an issue raised in the article by O'Connor who said "his memory for details seems to wax and wane."
David Oshinsky, a history professor at the University of Texas at Austin which paid $5 million in 2003 for the Watergate archive of Woodward and his fellow reporter Carl Bernstein, said there was certainly room for more books on the subject.
"Most of the books that have been written are memoirs or come at it from one political slant or another," Oshinsky said. "I think there's a good Watergate book out there tracking it from beginning to end."
He said that while the key elements of the story were laid out in Woodward and Bernstein's books "All the President's Men" and "The Final Days," there was still intense interest in the details of their secret meetings and the source's motivation.
Papers that identified Deep Throat and which were held back when the archive was sold are now expected to be handed over to the university, according to archivist Steve Mielke.
One book already attracting renewed interest is a memoir published by Felt in 1979 titled "The FBI Pyramid from the Inside." The book is out of print and publisher Putnam said all rights would have been returned to the author.
However, an autographed copy of the book was being advertised on eBay on Wednesday with a current bid of $910.
excerpt....Felt thought the Nixon team were Nazis.
At the time, pre-Watergate, there was little or no public knowledge of the vast pushing, shoving and outright acrimony between the Nixon White House and Hoover's FBI. The Watergate investigations later revealed that in 1970 a young White House aide named Tom Charles Huston had come up with a plan to authorize the CIA, the FBI and military intelligence units to intensify electronic surveillance of "domestic security threats," authorize illegal opening of mail, and lift the restrictions on surreptitious entries or break-ins to gather intelligence.
Huston warned in a top-secret memo that the plan was "clearly illegal." Nixon initially approved the plan anyway. Hoover strenuously objected, because eavesdropping, opening mail and breaking into homes and offices of domestic security threats were basically the FBI bailiwick and the bureau didn't want competition. Four days later, Nixon rescinded the Huston plan.
Felt, a much more learned man than most realized, later wrote that he considered Huston "a kind of White House gauleiter over the intelligence community." The word "gauleiter" is not in most dictionaries, but in the four-inch-thick Webster's Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language it is defined as "the leader or chief official of a political district under Nazi control."
There is little doubt Felt thought the Nixon team were Nazis. During this period, he had to stop efforts by others in the bureau to "identify every member of every hippie commune" in the Los Angeles area, for example, or to open a file on every member of Students for a Democratic Society.
posted on June 2, 2005 09:04:02 AM new
Helen - if you are interested, W&B are going to be on Larry King tonight. They were on the Today Show this morning (thankfully not interviewed by Katie who I wanted to strangle as she was"interviewing" Bradlee Whitford). If the interview tonight is anything like this morning it should be great.
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posted on June 2, 2005 12:00:36 PM new
Just heard about an excellent book on Watergate,
Wars of Watergate by Stanley Kutler......s'posed to be the bible.
posted on June 2, 2005 01:09:41 PM new
how would you-the anti-Christ-know anything about a bible???? ROFLMAO!!
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