posted on September 16, 2000 04:26:08 PM
Hey you guys---knock it off! Two of my favorite AW people in a squabble war (Hmmm--squabble--good scrabble word).
Paypal is like a cancer growing by leaps and bounds---let's fight it together and not get tangled up in semantics among each other, K?
HCQ and Rahd---you have both received the most strictest jeanyu warning---OOOOHHHHH
posted on September 16, 2000 04:38:43 PM
radh - you were on these boards about paypal's tactics and if it helps you understand any better, some of us are getting our first taste.
I signed up within an hour or so of hearing of paypal, and so never had the experience that I now know is so egregious. Buyers paying me via paypal against my wishes and finding it is up to me to manage and untangle and anyway I turn it I lose.
Even before fee fiasco, I noticed that my rate of feedback plummeted since Paypal started in with the not verified user warning, and at this point every shred of good they ever did me has been eclipsed by their foul stench which gets on you the minute you deviate off course of their plan to lead you to slaughter.
posted on September 16, 2000 04:48:01 PM
Why get involved with penny-ante quasireporters like Walters, who'll do a personal-interest story more about the reporter than the issue at hand?
Get attention where it'll do some actual damage to Paypal: interest the Wall Street Journal, read by "vulture" capitalists and legal eagles alike, not to mention a number of parties at the FTC.
posted on September 16, 2000 05:01:00 PM
I hate to keep adding to this, but there is a very interesting post on the Ebay Sports board. It is by Numisreal and the time is 15:05:14. Their Paypal account was seized...interesting reading!
posted on September 16, 2000 05:15:28 PM
If you canceled your account the payment would be unclaimed, you don’t have to collect it, explain to the buyer it’s unclaimed and they’ll have to cancel the transaction and move on.
The stupidest thing PayPal has done is to try and supply a dialog to this message board. Every time an attempt is made it became a contest to see who can make the best insult or a game for the arm chair lawyers. For months people found the PayPal reps an easy target, you could badger them and they weren’t going to fight back, the dictates of diplomacy wouldn’t allow it. Okay, Yes, Fine, Alright, PayPal is wanting a business to pay for the service, some knew that had to happen at some time. Get over it, close your account, sign up with another service that you feel will not face or bend to the same financial situation. Stop looking like the mob outside Frankenstein's castle.
Lights from the mob can be seen through the fog as they approach the castle, leading the mob are familiar characters from the town.
Character #1.. “Be gone Victor Frankenstein, and take your foul creation with you”!
Character#2.. “Leave us Victor Frankenstein, why don’t you go back to killing cats for a living”!
Character#3... “Way to go Character #2, you tell em”!
Of course in this environment you won’t see anyone saying “Frankenstein is a scientist, embarking on something new, give him a break, and pause to give yourself time to think." Some very vocal members of a message board can have the same effect, it doesn’t make them right, it just makes it very unlikely that a different view is going to be explored.
posted on September 16, 2000 05:20:16 PM
But in this case Frankenstein marketed his monster to the "mob" as a friendy companion, and despite numerous indications that this is emphatically NOT the case, the good doctor insists his creation is merely badly misunderstood, and that if any blame is to be handed out, it should lie at the feet of the "mob"...
posted on September 16, 2000 05:25:04 PM
Sorry...Not totally relevant, but....
From the "Close Account" page...
If you close your account, all unclaimed payments and pending money requests will be automatically canceled. A check for the balance of your account will be sent to your street address.
Best to mention in all correspondance with bidder that one does NOT accept paypal...
After watching a program on Hackers and Crakers, and White Hat Hackers on PBS, I don't think I want to use any online payments of anykind....Until the StarTreck team can BEAM me up my actual money....
posted on September 16, 2000 05:40:35 PM
Shoshanah - can you locate the NAME of the program you watched on PBS?
I've often heard on the radio that annually, there is ONE TRILLION dollars in credit card fraud, but I've no idea what percentage is online, nor any idea how much is perpetrated by hackers and crackerz, i dunno!
posted on September 16, 2000 05:46:31 PM
Regarding the post on the ebay board...
Even *if* Paypal had revised their TOS in an honest fashion, and even if nobody was forced to upgrade, you have to ask why anybody would use, and especially PAY for a service that treats people this way?
Their system is full of glitches, and loopholes, and it appears their CS department is incapable of resolving anything.
Pathetic.
changed a word.
[ edited by Julesy on Sep 16, 2000 05:48 PM ]
posted on September 16, 2000 05:47:43 PMradh..I do not use a TV guide, as I rarely watch TV; came upon that 1/2 hour program about 5 minutes into it, so do not know the name, but I will try to retrieve the name on the Internet...I believe it is under http://www.PBS.org...It was last night, about 9 or 10 PM, California time...either channel 9, or 54, or 60...all PBS, all sharing same programs. It had to do with Internet Security, and how UNSECURE secure payment sites actually are...
******************** Shosh http://www.oldandsold.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?justdisp&Rifkah
VeryModern: one of my first realllly kinda negative reactions to playpal was over at the eBay AB, where eBay was pleading with users to NOT BLACKMAIL non-users of playpal to sign up.
How GROSSSSSSSSS!! what people will do for a HUCKSTER-company, all in the name of FIVE lousy bucks!
ShivvvvverRZ!
When I read some of the stories on the eBay chatboards, how the eBay "community" were treating oneanother, all in the name of FIVE BUCKS --- well, the very name of playpal simply made me think of the olde boyz clubbe, where I imagined a buncha white middle-aged jerks scratching their arm pits, sipping Jack Daniels and cognac, and yakking (all knowinging, righT?) all about that miserable stinking gauche lower-than-tasteless phenomenon which they proudly refer as Viral Marketing, as though that's something to be proud of!!!
LOLOLOLOL
Viral Marketing is the most preposterous creation from the Internet to date.
posted on September 16, 2000 05:59:07 PM
To claim your money for this auction item, just click here
http://www.paypal.x.com/auction/pal=kcroninjr%40aol.com
and complete the one-page registration form.
You may withdraw your money at any time by requesting a check
or by making a direct deposit to your bank account. You can
also send the money to your friends.
hmmmm.......says I can send the money to my friends - what a nice gesture!! Anybody want 9 bucks??
posted on September 16, 2000 06:03:10 PMradh...Just called my girlfriend: name of program is: Digital West...was Friday Night 9-9:30, channel 9 (california)
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Shosh http://www.oldandsold.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?justdisp&Rifkah
posted on September 16, 2000 06:06:22 PM
I've used Pay Papl quite a few times. I recently sold something on eBay after a long hiatus; suddenly I'm hearing all this stuff about pay Pal. I never really trusted them, and I sure as hell don't now. They have restricted my account and I don't know why. Something about reported possible fraudlent use of my credit card!!! I've had the same account for months. I had a card on file, took it off, and tried to add a new one. It wouldn't let me. I think it's because I didn't want to be 'verified'. ;/ I'm just going to pay and be paid the old fashioned way- with checks or money orders.
posted on September 16, 2000 06:20:11 PM
>>>>f you canceled your account the payment would be unclaimed, you don’t have to collect it, explain to the buyer it’s unclaimed and they’ll have to cancel the transaction and move on. >>>>
How many times a day should I have to do this? I don't want paypal accepting payment for my auctions. I did not designate them courier of my funds. The buyer should be getting an error message. "Sorry, but XXX is not a paypal user.."
Instead, they send the money and I have to unravel it, annoy my customer, and paypal has wasted my time, theirs, and for what? If I join them, the next step is to tell future customers that I am not verified blah blah blah.
posted on September 16, 2000 06:30:11 PM
bobbi - they have no motivation. The way it is brings them the greatest benefit. So you and I and people like us have to clean up after them day after day after day.
posted on September 16, 2000 06:42:28 PMradh...whatever you do, don't hold back...say what's on your mind...don't be shy... (still waiting for Mark's tongue-in-cheek smiley...)
******************** Shosh http://www.oldandsold.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?justdisp&Rifkah
posted on September 16, 2000 06:51:32 PM
I'm having a little trouble understanding why those of you Sellers who have gotten PayPal payments but didn't/don't want them are so afraid of your Buyers that you don't want to write them about their little oversight. If it WAS an oversight.
I won't/can't close my PayPal account until the auctions I have with bidders end. I can't change the terms on those auctions to exclude PayPal, so I'm stuck. But we're talking days here, not weeks or months. All my current auctions with no bidders have been stripped of the PayPal logo and these and all future auctions will say I don't take PayPal anymore because of their change in policies and fees, but will be finding a suitable alternative. And I will (probably).
If a Buyer on any of my other auctions wants to use PayPal after I close my account, they're outta luck, and if that means I lose that Buyer, I'll get all but my listing fee back from ebay and feel VERY fortunate to have rid myself of a pest and problem before it got any worse. Because it almost always does get worse. (Ask me how I know <g>.
Shoshanah: well, ya see, uhm, i'm kinda shy & reticent & reclusive, and so i can't really say whaddi really feel, but, uH, i do try to be emphatic and assertive. i'll try harDeR, oKay?
posted on September 16, 2000 07:24:31 PM
CleverGIrl - it is not fear of the customer. The problem is that Paypal gets in what would be a completely smooth pleasant and stress free deal if they did not accept payments on my behalf and muck it up.
It sounds good in theory - "just write them and tell them..." but in practice, it is time consuming and even if I take the time to write very carefully, it has a negative effect on the transaction. How can it not? I am peeved that I have to refuse payment and ask for another, the customer is peeved because they have already paid once and have to cancel and find plan B.
I prefer to deal in a very professional manner. This means my personal feelings are kept to myself. When you actually have to write these posts, it feels akin to writing a customer "I am a Democrat (Republican), a vegetarian (love meat)" and all kinds of stuff that the buyer does not want to hear, or I care to share. I just want to trade. I don't want to have to outline my position and justify myself (repeatedly) because of paypal. Before I canceled my acct. I was doing this 3 times a day because of the verification thing. Criminy - I hope someone sues them into oblivion.
I run a business, and guess what? I don't interfere with yours when I do. That's what I want from Paypal. I want them out of my business.
posted on September 16, 2000 07:36:32 PM
NO kidding, VeryMo ----- HOW dare they INTRUDE by sending those emails notifying us of beamed money -- and then we gotta do alla the hassle of the customer emails.
IS PAYPAL ENGAGING IN SHARP PRACTICES UNDER THAT CUTE LIDDLE NAME, VIRAL MARKETING?
posted on September 16, 2000 07:58:24 PM
PayPal has always - since day 1 as far as I know - accepted payments intended for people who don't have a PayPal account. It's one of the ways they got people to sign up.
posted on September 16, 2000 08:22:13 PM
I must say this again...IF someone sends you a payment for an auction, and you do not accept PayPal, just write to your winner and tell them that you do not accept paypal, and would they PLEASE withdraw their payment. Then figure out what is the best way other then PayPal to accept your payment. This has happened to me 3 times, and I got the You Have Cash notice and the Payment Withdrawn notices with the space of half an hour. Not a problem at all. Also, as mentioned somewhere else here(don't remember where) go in to paypal, (if you want to close your account) change your email slightly, like add a number like furkidmom1, and THEN cancel your account The money will go unclaimed, and it will be sent back to the sender. Now ouldn't this work? Paypal is NOT smarter then all of the collective brains of buyers and sellers together! United is the word.
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