posted on June 15, 2005 12:53:09 PM new
kraft, youre obviously very limited in your exposure and knowledge of how these people operate and what motivates them.
Had he 'given it up' he would have had to concede a) Terri didnt want this b) He didnt own her and had prevailing control over her life and c)probably the money and everything else just hanging over his head on a daily basis so much so that he couldnt possibly go on with his life with her still living. It's always a very dramatic show with a control freak. What a 'normal' person would consider easier to walk away from, is actually extremly difficult for them to do.
Of course, I dont expect you to comprehend any of that. Its a little bit beyond a 9th graders pot-smokers mentality
He obviously 'owned' the right to her life because he married her 20 years ago.
spelling et.al
[ edited by dblfugger9 on Jun 15, 2005 01:07 PM ]
posted on June 15, 2005 01:10:23 PM new
""youre obviously very limited in your exposure and knowledge of how these people operate and what motivates them"
But Dble, on the other hand, is a close personal friend and knows all
posted on June 15, 2005 01:17:49 PM new
I've had alot more exposure to 'real things' that you ever will, Ms. professional chatty cathy from her high-chair.
Shouldnt you be wreck balling the other threads demanding something youre never gonna get, or repeating some crap you've only posted a thousand times?
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[ edited by dblfugger9 on Jun 15, 2005 01:19 PM ]
posted on June 15, 2005 01:39:00 PM newShouldnt you be wreck balling the other threads demanding something youre never gonna get, or repeating some crap you've only posted a thousand times?
ROFLMHO - what a true description you've given to her. Fits PERFECTLY.
posted on June 15, 2005 01:46:33 PM new
Linda - he got hs own settlement. The other money was to be spent only on Terri and was under court supervision so how would controling that be of any interest to him. He could have taken the money and run at the beginning but instead he went to school, became a liscensed care giver and allowed his life to be raked over the coals on a semi tregular basis. Does not sound like the actions of any control freak I ever knew.
She had already left his control. Saying that controling her health care would feed control issues is like saying that having the power to open and close a dresser drawer would feed the same needs. There was nothing left to control with Terri. She no longer had a will to be bent which is what control freaks live for.
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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...
- Ann Coulter
[ edited by fenix03 on Jun 15, 2005 01:51 PM ]
posted on June 15, 2005 02:03:07 PM new
fenix - Linda - he got hs own settlement.
I know he did.
The other money was to be spent only on Terri and was under court supervision so how would controling that be of any interest to him.
Was to be spent...key wording...and NOT what actually happened. HER funds were spent by HIM to get HER tubes removed. HER funds went to HIS lawyers fight to do just what he finally accomplished....her death.
He could have taken the money and run at the beginning but instead he went to school, became a liscensed care giver and allowed his life to be raked over the coals on a semi tregular basis.
So he used the money awarded to him, for loss of his 'pleasures' with her...and he decided to educate himself with it.
That has no bearing on anything, imo.
As far as 'allowed'...I'm sorry but I have to laugh. He was 'raked over the coals' when and because he cut off his wife's rehab and petitioned the court for her tubes to be removed..... rehab of which is what the money was supposed to be used for. That's when her parents started going balistic against him. Had he not taken this route it's my belief her parents would have continued to support him, as they did when he WAS giving her the best care.
Does not sound like the actions of any control freak I ever knew.
Well, then you haven't read how many times over the years he forbid this and that both that her doctors recommended, nurses thought was in her best interests and visits by her parents. There was MUCH he controlled...don't fool yourself.
She had already left his control. Saying that controling her health care would feed control issues is like saying that having the power to open and close a dresser drawer would feed the same needs. There was nothing left to control with Terri. She no longer had a will to be bent which is what control freaks live for.
He had control over her living or dying, fenix. He had control over every concern her parents raised about her rehab and care. He and he alone had total control. If he wasn't a control freak...he wouldn't have fought all those who were trying to give Terri a better quality of life. But he did. It became a battle of the wills....a battle of who's in control...who has the power to make these life and death decisions over Terri's life.
posted on June 15, 2005 02:06:09 PM new
And those friends of Terri's who were interviewed also thought he controlled her BEFORE she even collasped.
Who she could see....what she could do....THEY said he didn't like her continuing her friendship with them nor her own family. They can't all be lying, fenix. Being that close to their relationship has to be given some credibility for their own observations, concerns and comments.
posted on June 15, 2005 02:13:10 PM new
Thats true Linda. Cnn interviewed about 20 of them hanging out in a resturant when everybody was waiting for the decisions to come down.
Fenix, I really dont think you get it about the control freak issues some people have. Take for instance (and he stated this himself) he went to nursing school so he could take care of her.
You know what that says to me more than anything knowing the other things about this guy? THAT NOBODY COULD FN DO IT RIGHT! NOBODY COULD OR WOULD TAKE CARE OF "HIS" TERRI - EXCEPT HIM. sorry the caps but im not changing it now (too late hit caps key) and personally I see the control issue extending to the arm of the parents with him. Nobody can answer what harm would have prevailed for her to stay alive? What is it? There is none. oh i know he was such a good catholic and would not consider divorce, meanwhile hes got a common-law wife and family?
Hello!??
posted on June 15, 2005 02:22:32 PM new
Yes, dbl, and a thousand other control issues to...that would be hard for a 'normal' thinking person to understand.
Her nurses wanted to let her drapes be openned so she could enjoy the sunlight...NO!! commands her husband.
Her nurses wanted to talk her out of her room....NO commands her husband.
They wanted to put things in her room so they might stimulate her...NO commands her husband.
When she got a bladder infections...the doctors/nurses wanted to give her meds to cure it. NO demands her husband. Well she survived anyway...much to HIS dismay I'm sure.
What in the world would things like these, and many more [when one reads the comments of the nurses who cared for Terri] not be allowed by the husband? Because he COULD...HE had the power to say no.
posted on June 15, 2005 02:30:47 PM new
Yep, Linda. I almost could say I knew it the first time I saw his picture. All coiffed and buffed not a mustache hair out of place (and this is a man who is supposedly stressed, right?) - I've known hundreds of guys like him, most of them became drug addicts or alcoholics. They just cant deal with the world not being a perfect place.
I could never understand his objection to the sunlight? If she wasn't cognizant what would it even matter? Was she going to get sunburn or something?
posted on June 15, 2005 02:37:27 PM new
::Had he not taken this route it's my belief her parents would have continued to support him, as they did when he WAS giving her the best care.::
Don't you find that a lttle strange? One minute they are in complete support of him and the next they are saying it's all his fault. Kinda makes you wonder just how legitimate those abuse accusations are doesn't it. I mean, why would they be in support of a man they accused of strangling her and breaking half a dozen bones in a fight that caused her heart attack and resulting condition. Could someone please explain that one?
As for all of these friends that support the parents accusations... where were they when she was admitted to the hospital? Where are there statements to the police in the interest of justice for their friend. Sorry Linda but I have a hard time giving credence to people that take their allegations of abuse to the press 10 years later as opposed to taking them to the police at the time. We already know that all of the allegations of him breaking numerous bones were BS.
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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...
- Ann Coulter
[ edited by fenix03 on Jun 15, 2005 02:39 PM ]
posted on June 15, 2005 02:52:14 PM new
Mr.Michael Schiavo CONGRATULATIONS! After years of ABUSE AND DEATH THREATS FROM WACKOS. TODAY SCIENCE PROVED THE WACKOS WRONG.
Linda_K's posts HERE just confirms she is ONE VERY SICK WOMAN.
DBL FOGGED9 is JUST AS BAD. She is a GREAT example of the difference between being educated and smart.
posted on June 15, 2005 03:04:39 PM new
LOL! And in your GREAT opinion and crystal ball,peek-a-leak dix, which one am I? I did attend Rutgers, but thats not Ivy league like Princeton or Yale? And how about your college educated boy there that youre breaking your back to school - is either just smart or educated??
Trip the twil-a-whirl with me, will ya peepa? ha! you'll get lasso'ed around so far and fast, you'll wish you had been in a hurricane instead Got any more AOL poles? I think I will go vote on some 100 x's with my diff seven screen names just to 'fog' you up! hahahaha!!
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[ edited by dblfugger9 on Jun 15, 2005 03:09 PM ]
posted on June 15, 2005 03:09:48 PM new
oh good....looneytoon's has returned....screaming again...and he even brought along his PHD that he received from his Cracker-Jack box.
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fenix - Remember when the jurors said on the MJ trial that even though some felt he was guilty...once they read the testimony in chronological order they changed their minds?
I think that's what you're not doing here. Looking at the parent's actions, looking at WHEN the friends made some of these statements, WHEN the nurses made their statements..etc.
As I said above, when you look at when the problems between her parents and her so-called husband started it was when he decided to use her funds to get her tubes removed. When he STOPPED acting in Terri's best interests.
Do you not question why in the world he would have done an about face as far as Terri's care went....right after he received the lawsuit settlement. THEN he changed his course....and of course the parents were dismayed - as ANY parent would be.
Maybe not being a parent yourself...has something to do with the fact that you can't 'get' how a parent would feel with the spouse of their child wants to kill them. ALL protective genes in their bodies surface and there's no GREATER force to deal with than a Mother who's protecting her young.
posted on June 15, 2005 03:14:40 PM new
Linda, ROFL!! oh good....looneytoon's has returned
Can ya imagine his dismay at his one and only source of being a well-informed citizen when his aol poles are all screwed up!! LOL!!! (I'm gonna get right on that, btw!)
posted on June 15, 2005 03:17:25 PM new
No evidence of abuse. None.
Plenty of evidence that the woman was not only a vegetable, she was a BLIND one to boot. So much for smiling at the baloon.
No morphine in her system.
Will all of this evidence silence those who interfered with her husband's legal rights, and indeed hers too? Nah, now they'll harp on him for being controlling. He was a control freak, he must have abused her!!
I'd love to hear somebody say they maybe made a mistake, and maybe it is too bad this poor woman and her husband were drug through the mud, and she was kept alive at great cost, all for ulterior political motives.
But nobody'll ever say that, more important to cover your ass.
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posted on June 15, 2005 03:26:36 PM new
Linda, ROFL!! oh good....looneytoon's has returned
Can ya imagine his dismay at his one and only source of being a well-informed citizen when his aol poles are all screwed up!! LOL!!! (I'm gonna get right on that, btw!)
edit to add: yea, whats this and where were they stuff? You know, again, fenix,life is just not that logically mapped out. Sorry. Where were your parents when you hooked up with a jerk - if you ever did in your life? Did they know about it - did they, or your friends interfer with your relationship? Most people dont. And things they remember (or maybe what terri had confided in them) only later on start to make sense. Thats the way it is in real life with real people fenix. I really can never understand this penchant you have for thinking life is a perfect blueprint that people have to follow in exact order. It rarely happens that way, imo.
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posted on June 15, 2005 03:35:01 PM newkept alive at great cost,..
At great cost to whom, professor? taxpayers - is that what you're going to tell me? More is probably wasted on toiletry supplies for congress and the Lincoln memorial in a year!
imo, life is not ours to decide to take. she only stayed alive what 14-16 days after the feeding tube was removed? She starved to death.
No morphine in her system? Well dang, what happened to the compassionate liberals that swore up and down she was being given some end of life pharmaceutical care? And how long does morphine last in the body anyway? Its been at least over a month since her death hasn't it?
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posted on June 15, 2005 03:36:52 PM new
What you're missing, Linda, is that no matter what all these other people wanted for Terri, SHE didn't want to live as a vegetable. Stimulation might have the effect of prolonging her vegetive state, which she didn't want. It would have never grown her brain back. Again I ask you, do you know or have you ever heard of anyone choosing to live as a vegetable in their living will?
posted on June 15, 2005 03:40:22 PM new
Kraft, what you are missing, is that without it being in writing WE didnt really know that. Only that he said so. And if my vegtable state meant that much to my mother or my family, ,I'd lie there another couple of years! Do you have any clue about Catholics at all, kraft?
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posted on June 15, 2005 03:47:12 PM new
Dble,""Lol, right Linda!?! ""
Slurp, drool, wag tail, slurp drool......good puppy...I'm a good puppy aren't I linduh hu linduh oh pet me linduh oo oo slurp pee drool."""
I have to repeat things to remind linduh she's too cowardly to answer any questions....like in the public TV thread where she is unable to give one example of bias
posted on June 15, 2005 03:51:31 PM new
And heerresss the ball and chain to wreck any discussion in this thread! Goodie-Goodie-gum-drops! Chatty Kath the a/hole bully is here! Kinda like a dog that has to leave her stinky mark on everything!
and the gremilins better cut it out if they have any sense out there!
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posted on June 15, 2005 04:10:45 PM new
KD - I agree with dbl.....there IS/WAS NO PROOF these were her wishes. Only the word of the person who wanted her dead and out of his life. Not a real reliable source to beleive, imo.
Since he didn't tell the judge in the lawsuit these were her wishes....since he didn't tell anyone these were her wishes UNTIL AFTER the lawsuit was settled....he's suspect in my mind. Along with the fact that people that young don't dwell on death/dying/being a vegetable. The odd's are she didn't either.
And now his credibility has been compromised, imo, too. He said she had a terrible eating disorder...made several statements about it. But as this report shows....there were NO SIGNS of any such thing/no damage that showed to her system that WOULD have been there...had that been true.
This Judge Green, this husband and the courts killed this woman. She could have been left to die of natural causes...turned over to her parents care...parents who were willing to care for her until she died. And she was Catholic and they don't believe in euthansia....it's AGAINST their religion.
posted on June 15, 2005 04:18:14 PM new
A point I missed in addressing:
I mean, why would they be in support of a man they accused of strangling her and breaking half a dozen bones in a fight that caused her heart attack and resulting condition. Could someone please explain that one?
Her parents weren't aware of these reports/test results...as the husband had control of who could see them and who couldn't. Control again, fenix. They weren't aware that these tests showed the broken bones UNTIL after they started fighting with him about Terri's care. When they went to court...to be able to view the tests is when they discovered this.
That's what I'm trying to say about the 'timeline'. When followed in sequence...it does make more sense than pulling all these things up out of order to how they went down.
posted on June 15, 2005 04:21:22 PM new
Linda - so are you saying that the parents and her friends thought he was the greatest guy in the world and then then years later decided that they had strangled their daughter and broken numerous bones and they came to this brand new conclusion when he stopped doing what they wanted him to?
Well, gotta tell you. When I look at that time line I come to the same conclusion the Jackson jury came to when they examined the timeline... the witnesses lack credibility. Their testimony has some rather spectacularly self serving timing.
::Maybe not being a parent yourself...has something to do with the fact that you can't 'get' how a parent would feel with the spouse of their child wants to kill them.::
Linda - I get that the parents don't want to see their child die. But I also get that their daughter was long gone. They were holding on to a fantasy.
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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...
posted on June 15, 2005 04:26:20 PM new
::They weren't aware that these tests showed the broken bones UNTIL after they started fighting with him about Terri's care. When they went to court...to be able to view the tests is when they discovered this.::
But they do know that there was no record or evidence of these broken bones when she was admitted. In my opinion they knew their accusation were BS from the day they made them. They tried to use inflamatory accusations to get people on their side and it worked. They chose to take this whole thing public and national and drag him thru the muck with accusations that they knew to be false and in my opinion it makes them just as despicable and manipulative as they tried to paint Michael to be.
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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...
posted on June 15, 2005 04:37:00 PM new
Linda, discussing death is difficult for some families and if they do, they keep their wishes to themselves. That's changing but not uncommon. To say Terri's husband made up this story about her wishes so he could gain control over her still doesn't make sense to me. Are you saying she told her friends and family that she wanted to be kept alive in this state?
