"I'm going to spend a lot of time on Social Security. I enjoy it. I enjoy taking on the issue. I guess, it's the Mother in me."—Guess Who? Washington D.C., April 14, 2005
posted on June 13, 2005 12:52:57 PM
The verdict is allready in about Ralphie and it doesn't look good. Why does he have to do that in public.....gross.
posted on June 13, 2005 01:15:19 PM
Well...let me just say this about that:
I'm shocked that you'd resort to bad-mouthing my poor little doggy, Checkers! Next thing ya know, you'll be yacking about Pat's ratty coat!
"I'm going to spend a lot of time on Social Security. I enjoy it. I enjoy taking on the issue. I guess, it's the Mother in me."—Guess Who? Washington D.C., April 14, 2005
posted on June 13, 2005 04:22:35 PM
I wasn't privy to all of the information the jury received...but I also did not follow the trial anyway. Michael has just gotten too weird.
In this case, the parents should be horsewhipped...not because they pressed charges, but because, given the prior PAID OFF allegations, they should NEVER have put their children in that situation. I'll also feel that way about the future children that go there. (And I don't believe Michael has learned anything from this, whether true or not.)
OJ was found not guilty also. But I'm a firm believer HE was/is.
posted on June 13, 2005 07:06:43 PM
Going to have to disagree with you guys up there
I think he is guilty just by having young boys sleep in his bed with him
COME ON, he is or was a multi millionare in this great big monstrosity of a mansion Neverland, you have to think 'duh, there is only ONE bed and bedroom in this HUGE place?'
He also paid off some other family in the 90's, yeah that was really bad of the parents to be paid off, but he did it, why?
Jackson is totally off the scale of weird twig, I don't know what he is anymore
posted on June 13, 2005 07:24:06 PM
The talking heads and jurors have been interesting. Seems that the concensus is that the prosecuters blew it by pushing the envelope too far. The "conspiracy" charge neccesitated the mother and the mother blew the case. One of jurors stated that he belives that Jackson probably has molested boys in the past but there was a great deal of doubt about whether he had molested this one.
Cheryl - I'll bet you there is no civil trial. Combine a not guilty verdict with the jurors reviews of the mother and no lawyer is going to chase this one.
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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...
- Ann Coulter
[ edited by fenix03 on Jun 13, 2005 07:26 PM ]
If you recall, there was a civil suit in the OJ Simpson case. Reasonable doubt was created in that trial as well. There will always be some lawyer somewhere chasing any trial that could net some money for him/her.
Libra
LOL!
Nearthesea
I think he is guilty just by having young boys sleep in his bed with him
Thank goodness you didn't sit on the jury. I will agree that Michael Jackson is in need of mental help, though. IMO, he was an abused child. I think, however, that he is a kind soul who just doesn't understand what is socially acceptable and what is not. Who was there to teach him that? Certainly not his parents. There will always be people who will do what they can to take advantage of people like Michael Jackson.
We don't know everything that was presented to the jury and we don't know the discussions they had in the jury room. Apparently there was enough doubt created that a not guilty verdict was the only one they could come up with. This mother was a welfare cheat who used her son's illness for monetary gain. It's not like doubts about Michael haven't existed for some time. To still allow your child to go to Neverland tells me that you either don't believe the allegations or you're interested in a piece of the $20+ million extorted from Michael the first time around.
I wonder when Michael was a small child how many times he was allowed to crawl into bed with his parents? Probably none. How many amusement parks did his parents take him to? Probably none. How many birthday parties did he have? For that matter, how many friends did he have? All of the things we enjoyed as children were most likely denied Michael. He was forced to grow up at a very young age and I think those things we've taken for granted as childhood fancies were denied him. I also think those childhood experiences are critical to our development into mature, responsible adults. Is it no wonder he is the way he is?
That's one reason I'm always reminding my daughter that she has to let Tiffany be a child. When she does something like hide her veggies under the couch, she's not being a bad child, she's being 6. She just hasn't figured out yet that she should feed those veggies to the dog to get rid of the evidence.
posted on June 14, 2005 06:59:06 AM
" I will agree that Michael Jackson is in need of mental help, though."
no sh*t Sherlock...not every black man sleeps with little kiddies,paints his face white and hangs his own kids over window ledges.
"IMO, he was an abused child"
thats just what it is,you have no evidence.
" I think, however, that he is a kind soul who just doesn't understand what is socially acceptable and what is not."
ROFLMAO!! ARE YOU FOR REAL?? YOU EVER HEAR OF A THING CALLED COMMON SENSE??
"I wonder when Michael was a small child how many times he was allowed to crawl into bed with his parents? Probably none"
probably too many times.
"How many amusement parks did his parents take him to? Probably none."
probably not....he just bought his own...lifes a b*tch
"For that matter, how many friends did he have? "
he had loads of friends...they just happen to be all male.....under the age of 12.
"All of the things we enjoyed as children were most likely denied Michael. He was forced to grow up at a very young age and I think those things we've taken for granted as childhood fancies were denied him."
oh damn..where the hell did I put my bleeding heart??--oh yea I think I threw it in the garbage yesterday...where it belongs.Poor Michael Jackson,the millionaire ya know life just sucks doesn't it?? What about all those other black kids who grew up in the ghetto who not only didn't have all the things you mentioned,but will NEVER have them.Do you see them crawling into bed with little kiddies?? NO I don't think so! This man is a sick individual-his nick name shouldn't be JOCKO it should be SICKO. Ya know Cheryl,this heart wrenching story just had me in tears..Im so depressed over the fact what a sad life Michaels had,I'm just libel to go out in the garage and hang myself.Cheryl, let me ask you one question.....
WHAT
ARE
YOU
THINKING
ABOUT????????
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posted on June 14, 2005 08:37:46 AM
Nobody here or anywhere else knows whether MJ did what he was accused of or not. It's heartening to see that someone as ODD as he is can still get a fair trial in this country...looks to me like the jury stuck to the evidence, and the judge's admonition of reasonable doubt. Some here would have voted to convict him just because he's creepy. Like somebody else said, thank god they weren't on the jury.
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posted on June 14, 2005 08:47:05 AM
ditto what NTS and classic said.
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cheryl said: I think, however, that he is a kind soul who just doesn't understand what is socially acceptable and what is not.
HOGWASH!!
He understands alright...he just thinks he can do whatever he wishes to do. Any sane person would have stopped these 'sleep overs, in his bed' after the first case came to the public's attention. This man-child just thought he could do whatever he wanted to BECAUSE of who he is....and he did.
Child predators can't stop themselves. I have no doubt that down the road we'll be hearing these same accusations from another little boy and his family. sadly
posted on June 14, 2005 09:07:18 AM
Yes maybe he was guilty but the prosecutor didn't prove his case. Someone can't be convicted on what you read or hear. You have to have proof and they didn't prove it.
I have no doubt about him, but the mother of this young boy was wrong going after him and it was because he stopped paying her way in life. All she wanted was the money. I just read an article about when she was on the stand. How she winked at the male Spanish juror, BTW she is Spanish, how she snapped her fingers at them and that angered the jurors. What was she trying to prove. Evidently the jurors didn't believe the story because they only took 2 votes.
To prove allegations you have to have hard core proof not hearsay.
posted on June 14, 2005 09:11:51 AM
A "fair trial" did not use to mean:
A couple of elderly black female jurors letting a murderer off because "it would mean another young black man going to prison."
nor someone whose celebrity absolves himself of responsibilty.
What is really funny is the group here cheering Wacko's release are the same group to whom the mere mention of the term "pedophile" brings a bloodthirsty response and desires to hunt them to the ends of their days AFTER serving sentences for their crimes.
posted on June 14, 2005 09:23:02 AM
Cheryl, don't be concerned about the opinion of "not so classy", classic. Compassion is not a trait of those who hide their arrogant disregard for humanity under the deceptive banner of "compassionate republicans".
Just the fact that after the trial, the jurors were on TV, they even said, 'It was the mother that allowed the child to stay overnight with Jackson' right there the jurors knew that kids were spending the night with him. YES the parents are to blame, they should never allowed their children to sleep there
If he has a mental problem thats another reason. But yet he's free to go back to never never land and return to his 'usual activities' I'm sure there will be more parents that will allow their kids there, after all, its Michael Jackson
I understand this 'blame his parents and his childhood' he should have had intervention at some point.
Ok, here, WHAT IF the kid was telling the truth when questioned in court? Everyone after the trial, said the kid was a LIAR
If he really was molested, that kid is going to have some problems himself, for no one, not even the judical system believed him.
If it was anyone else besides Jackson that even the slightest allegations of child molestation was mentioned, the child protective services would be there quicker that spit.
Profe its not because he is 'creepy' that I think he is guilty. The fact that he had to sleep with young boys makes me think he is guilty, and Jackson himself admitted he does that in one of the long interviews he had on TV before this trial.
posted on June 14, 2005 09:26:47 AM
You know what Linda? YOU ARE THE REASON I BARELY POST HERE ANYMORE. YOU WERE THE REASON BEFORE AND YOU CONTINUE TO BE THE REASON NOW.
Have a nice day (there are a few expletives to go after the "nice day", but I'll leave that to the imagination of others).
Just had to get that off my chest once and for all.
So, with you and Classic, it's guilty until proven innocent. There is no reasonable doubt. You both were there and both knew what was going on. You two should be kept off all juries. I can't see any impartiality coming from you at any time. It is a juror's job to be impartial, to listen to the facts as they are presented and to make a judgment based upon those facts. NOT to make a judgment based upon media reports or personal feelings.
posted on June 14, 2005 09:29:13 AM
I think the celebrity thing is being used as an excuse by the prosecution. They were allowed to bring up allegations of past abuses and it basically blew up in their faces. 5 alledgedly abused boys - 3 denied any abuse ever happened.
One of the jurors said he believed Jackson was probably an abuser - but the prosecution didn't prove it. That's what a trail boils downs to (or should). No one should be sent to prison on the basis of "probably".
What it really seems to come down to is that as Johnnie Cochrane put it - the color of justice in this country is green. What I find disturbing is not that Michael Jackson was found not guilty, but how easily truly innocent people can be sent to prison because they don't have enough money to pay for an adequate defense.
posted on June 14, 2005 09:32:07 AM
Anyone who doesn't think there's something VERY wrong with jackson, or any other grown man, sleeping with young boys overnight in his bed....has serious issues of their own, imo.
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And Libra there were three jurors who stated they DID believe he was guilty....they just got talked out of it. Happens a lot when people don't have the courage of their convictions.
posted on June 14, 2005 09:38:29 AMYou know what Linda? YOU ARE THE REASON I BARELY POST HERE ANYMORE. YOU WERE THE REASON BEFORE AND YOU CONTINUE TO BE THE REASON NOW.
LOL Losing it again, huh, cheryl. Because I post MY opinion. I know it bothers you when people don't hold your same 'mind think' but that's the way it works in the REAL world. Get used to it.
Don't blame me for your not wanting anyone to disagree with anything you state.
Have a nice day (there are a few expletives to go after the "nice day", but I'll leave that to the imagination of others).
How grown up you are ....how well you deal with opposition. NOT!!!
Just had to get that off my chest once and for all.
Good....except you KEEP repeating yourself...so it's not really 'once and for all'.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on June 14, 2005 09:45:59 AM
cherished - 5 alledgedly abused boys - 3 denied any abuse ever happened.
So, in your mind is it okay that the other two DID and jackson has never had to serve time for violating them?
You probably already are aware too, of the fact that it is VERY common for young children to change their stories....after accusing someone ..seeing the reaction they get, etc. They often recant the initial charge.
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In this case this so called 'mother' did the most harm. But my concern is jackson's PAST behaviors with young boys...and then this accusation. Obviously the jury decided the case wasn't proved beyond a reasonal doubt. But that doesn't mean it didn't really happen. And anyone who saw that M jackson interview on [can't remember what channel now] saw him holding hands with this young man.
That's normal to you guys? It's not to me....not at that age...and when he's not the parent.
LOL