posted on June 16, 2005 06:30:35 AM "But it is something that is beyond medical science, and its like none of you have the capacity to friggin understand it? That's pathetic to me."
Well, Dbl...In this case, you are talking about the regeneration of a brain with massive loss of neurons, weighing half the expected normal weight. It's not going to happen, no matter how much you cling to that fantasy.
To suggest that those who were in favor of ending terri's life are also in favor of euthanizing the disabled is another preposterous and illogical leap and of course, false.
posted on June 16, 2005 07:06:22 AMHow do you know what she knows?
Kraft, a select few here seem to believe that they know what I know. And now one of them also knows the man who loves me and they imagine they’ve talked to him too?
It's kind of strange that they react like that when they hear an opinion that differs from their own. Do they expect everyone to view the world just like they do?
Well, Dbl...In this case, you are talking about the regeneration of a brain with massive loss of neurons, weighing half the expected normal weight. It's not going to happen, no matter how much you cling to that fantasy.
I agree, all the hope in the world will never make that brain grow back.
posted on June 16, 2005 07:11:57 AM
I never said I have "a corner" on it, Helen. And I am aware of others that are certainly way better than me at parlaying hope into belief into reality. Perhaps I have just been privey to see that in action more than some here.
And Helen, again, the question was never about her regeneration or 'cure'. The family may have hoped or believed there was room for improvement, but its clear that even if that was not demonstrated, 'the issue' was about putting to death a person who was not terminally ill, or ready to die, save for some nutriution. I wonder if you, being a diabetic went into a coma, would you want someone to 'decide' not to give you insulin (and thus let your organs shut down) because they thought there was no hope of you ever coming out of that coma?
You'll probably give some phoney answer to justify yourself, but if you were my mother, or my sister, or my daughter, I would say to them pronto: give her the fn insulin dude! Right now. Do not withhold her treatment or I am suing your azz and this facility for malpractice here.
posted on June 16, 2005 07:21:59 AM
They are comparable in the fact that they both need an artifial means to sustain them.
Why is one more justified than the other? Because you bozos think you get to decide what quality of life is more worth sustaining!
posted on June 16, 2005 07:37:43 AM
and kiara, I'd love to sit here and chat about 'you' all day, however, I do find quite a few things just a little more interesting, ,hard as that is for you to believe.
You are about as fun to chat with as a burned-out charcoal heap most days on this board. All of your posts are based on the wrongs that some body is doing to somebody else and how youre the only one that has a clue to it. The man in question I spoke of was twelevepole who said that about you being dour. He also virtually shut down this board for about a week and half with his midnight confessions to you around christmas time. Now, I'm sure that is all a fantasy in your mind, but anybody who was on the boards saw and it knows exactly what I was talking about.
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posted on June 16, 2005 08:06:30 AMHe also virtually shut down this board for about a week and half with his midnight confessions to you around christmas time.
Sorry I missed that! I think I was busy most of November and December.
Anyways, I made a comment on the topic and you once again dragged my personal life into it as an immediate response like you are suffering from some extreme inner problem that haunts you continually.
And no, I wouldn't want to keep any of my loved ones or pets alive if it was proven that there would be no hope ever.... none in this whole entire world. It hurts beyond belief to let them go but it's a selfish act to keep them artificially alive if they are in that poor of a condition.
posted on June 16, 2005 08:20:18 AM
Gawd you are thick a brick! Show me where I dragged your 'personal' life into this? This is you kiara - you do it with every thread - its the only way you know how to relate to anyone or communicate on some paranoid personal level. And now this: you think you haunt me??? What a laugh that is! I have more fn ghosts in my closet and drama in my life that I could even spare to entertain the thought of a remote person named kiara posting to a message board "haunting me".
Again, youre narcarcissic view of yourself and the world in relation to posters on this board is sooo out of touch with any reality. I think you need to get yourself some help, chickie. Really do.
oh and the bit about you not noticing? yeah you were stunned into silence by it like the rest of us! You only answered a week later to him about his silly songs to you. So of course you didnt notice any of it, you were so busy. You are such a lier! There is no point in ever even discussing anything with you because your idea of truth is always a creation of your mind of how you want it to be seen!
Now get a life and leave me alone today with your private life drama fantasy's of how you effect others on this board! Yeesh!
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edited to take out cussing as it might offend some on this board.
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posted on June 16, 2005 08:42:01 AM
So I answered a week later over a silly song....... Sheesh! Sue me! What does that have to do with THIS topic and what does pole dancing have to do with THIS topic?
dblfugger9, grow up and realize that there are going to be others in this world that won't share your views on life......... instead you throw a tantrum and then tip into madness each time you hear another opinion that differs from your own and you personally put the blame for your over-reaction on that other person.
posted on June 16, 2005 09:01:44 AM So I answered a week later over a silly song
ah yes, but your first answer is to deny you were aware of it at all? Does anybody else see how it works here with this koo-koo nut?
You grow-up, kiara! You're like a little eight year old girl imagining and fantasizing of how grandiosely influential you are on all and then suddenly flipping over and changing your mind, because your mood has changed.
Too bad you just cant deal with my opinion of you! Its an opinion like you told Libra, take it or leave it. hahaha! Apparently you are unable to do either!
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posted on June 16, 2005 09:40:19 AM
Sorry, dblfugger9..... my deepest apologies. I wasn't here around that time and I misunderstood..... I thought you meant Vendio's board shut down for a week or so back then because of postings by twelvepole to me and I had missed it all when I was out of town.
When I answered, I didn't realize it was a thread that had been going for a whole week and a half already as I don't always check the dates. Sorry that it still haunts you 1/2 a year later. Is there any way we can resolve this issue so you are able to move on with your own life now?
posted on June 16, 2005 10:04:30 AM
stop trying to back peddle and reword your way around it. You want an opinion that apparently haunts you? You are a liar! And your continued idiotic attempts to engage me into your 'kiara world' of deception and fantasies are going to give you some very real problems somewhere. I've told you five times already to go find somebody else to play with. I dont like you, and never will; you just annoy me. What dont you understand about that? imo, you have nothing of substance to offer these boards or myself. Youre a vain pOS that thinks the world revolves around you, and then on top of it, we somehow need lecturing from you about how everybody is out to ruin everybody else and what the everybody is thinking wrong. Sorry but all this fire and brimstone crap doom and gloom 'clue games' from the high-chair queen you play is not my cup of tea. imo, it's stupid, and youre a spiritually devoid person for living your thoughts in negativity on a daily basis.
Now are you just trying to entertain the board readers here, or trying to suffocate any interest in anything else besides kiaraness?
And the USA in time will be the country that is mind-controlled
posted on June 16, 2005 10:28:07 AMI feel sorry for anyone who has had to witness a loved one being artificially kept alive when there is absolutely no hope at all for any improvement. I wouldn't wish that to happen to any of my loved ones or my pets, no matter how hard it would be to let them go and I would never want it to be done to me.
(Please note, this is just my opinion)
That was my exact posting yesterday evening. I'm sorry that you disagreed with it to such an extent that you were unable to control yourself and had to go off the deep end and try to tell others what I know and then continue on and on. BTW, I'm not the only one here that you've reacted in this way to.
I really don't care if you like me or not, I wasn't addressing you in that post. If you are unable to tolerate my views or my posts or me, why not just put me on ignore instead of driving yourself crazy over it?
posted on June 16, 2005 12:08:24 PM
"I have more fn ghosts in my closet and drama in my life"
ahhh so DB, I guess you wouldnt care to share those with us in here would ya?? LOL
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posted on June 16, 2005 12:23:11 PM
Double, although you won't talk about the Catholic aspect of this because it's beyond what we could all fathom, again leaving us all in the dark about what you're talking about, I still gather you have a hard time letting go because you deem it's not a person's time and is for God to decide. How far do you take it? Do you wear glasses? If you do, isn't it God's will that you be near or far sighted? If you're in an accident and the doctors are able to save your body but not your brain and keep you alive, are these doctors playing God, when you should have been dead?
"I wonder if you, being a diabetic went into a coma, would you want someone to 'decide' not to give you insulin (and thus let your organs shut down) because they thought there was no hope of you ever coming out of that coma?"
Dbl, the two situations are not comparable. If something as simple as an insulin shot could rejuvenate a dead brain, then I would say, go for it!!! But as you know, there was no hope whatsoever that any treatment or any therapy could reverse the brain damage that Terri suffered.
posted on June 16, 2005 02:27:34 PM
kraft, those are all good and revelevent questions. However, I cannot give you the answer you want to hear. I think God is very personal thing to an individual and what they believe in, or choose not to is left entirely up to them. So anything I say is only my opinion, or my personal feelings of how I view it. Seems to me your interest in my feelings is because you just want to chop it up for your own entertainment.
And on the catholic thing I doubt I could explain it to you right. Maybe the profe or near or logansdad can tell you about it and what a job they do on ya from the time youre about 4 years old. If I tried to tell you what its like, I dont think you'd believe me anyway.
Classic, yanno, its like a classic rock song. People still want to talk to me about sh* from twenty years ago, as if I should drag a ball and chain my whole life to suit them because they never tire of the same old song. And now kiara wants to be one of the ghosts to haunt me, too?!?! LOL!! Fat chance on that one!! It's just a wee bit crowded over here already! So you'd think I got a nuf friggn ghost riders on my tail already? But we can blame it on my old boyfriend for shotgunning my every word all over the place as if he thought I was that common, or that special, depending on how ya look at it.
posted on June 16, 2005 02:38:58 PMDbl, the two situations are not comparable.
You keep telling yourself that, Helen. The way I see it is they are both medical interventions, treatments that are needed to sustain a body and a life.
It seems apparent to me it is most definately a quality of life issue with you and the others - even though you are all loath to admit it. To you, its not comparable ONLY because of the level of injury to the two lifes is seen differently. You (not you per se but anyone) could be in that coma for ten years and have long been given up on by anybody concerned. They still have to give you the insulin your body needs to sustain you whether your going to wake up or not.
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If somebody is so injured as to be almost non-functional. Say they are so doped up from pain pills they barely know what day it is...do we then make a judgement call that there is no hope for them and stop giving them treatment? Do we say they virtually have so much brain damage from the injuries and the drugs they are not worth it to keep alive? Where does it stop? And who gets to decide?
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[ edited by dblfugger9 on Jun 16, 2005 02:54 PM ]
posted on June 16, 2005 02:42:42 PMI feel sorry for anyone who has had to witness a loved one being artificially kept alive when there is absolutely no hope at all for any improvement. I wouldn't wish that to happen to any of my loved ones or my pets, no matter how hard it would be to let them go and I would never want it to be done to me.
(Please note, this is just my opinion)
Can anyone else explain to me how my above opinion last evening would draw such a strong reaction from this dblfugger9 person?
Out of curiosity does anyone have a link to that thread at Christmas that shut down this board for a week and a half? I can't remember posting to it or what I said to twelvepole that got this dblfugger9 person so heated that it haunts her a half year later.
posted on June 16, 2005 03:00:44 PMClassic, yanno, its like a classic rock song. People still want to talk to me about sh* from twenty years ago, as if I should drag a ball and chain my whole life to suit them because they never tire of the same old song. And now kiara wants to be one of the ghosts to haunt me, too?!?! LOL!! Fat chance on that one!! It's just a wee bit crowded over here already! So you'd think I got a nuf friggn ghost riders on my tail already? But we can blame it on my old boyfriend for shotgunning my every word all over the place as if he thought I was that common, or that special, depending on how ya look at it.
You just posted that a few minutes ago and you were rambling on about kiara again. Are you so stoned that you don't know what you're doing at times?
posted on June 16, 2005 03:06:15 PM
Sorry my opinion upset you last evening and that you disagree with it so strongly that you've chosen to torment yourself to this degree over it.
I have no bad feelings towards you and only wish you the best.
posted on June 16, 2005 03:37:43 PM
Double, I would never ask you something so I could chop it up for entertainment, unlike yourself who said I was a 9th grade pot smoker because my opinion differed than yours, you silly goat.
Kiara, I'd also like to see the thread where Twelve confessed things to you. I had no idea!
posted on June 16, 2005 03:47:57 PM
kraft, I may kid you about being a pot-head, but honestly I dont think you are that dumb (although you like to play it that way when it suits you. A spade can call a spade yanno )
kiara, thanks for your apology but I think I'll decline on accepting that. I am not quite the big person you are. But then again, I am also not claiming to be so busy but in any thread within three minutes of seeing their name typed in it and obsessivly have to answer to it either.
Take a chunk out of a different monkey, there's no vacancy here...ay, Que sera, sera and Viva la spain! IOW, dont cry for me Argentina
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hahahah!!
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2004-12-05 20:06:17 Twelvepole\'s Death
Not literally, for those who would wish it, but figuratively...
I have had the most fun I have had in a long time on these boards today and feel it is time to go out on what I consider a high note...
Overall it has been a blast in my time here, but I do know this, I don't really hate anyone, but is fun playing that way...
I wish everyone peace and happiness, and crowfarm you never have to worry dear, I would never interfere with someone's auctions, however I do report bad sellers to eBay but let them deal with it or not.
maggiemuggins, if you really are 75, damn you must of been something in the 50's...
Now on to more serious stuff...
Logansdad, don't give up the fight....
In real life I think gays should be allowed to be together, either by marriage or union whichever provides them the security they need. Love is a wonderful thing... no I am not gay, never have been.
yeager/dave braun, no I don't believe you're the same... you two started out being a great free thinkers, however something changed and your postings turned to the sour side. Don't let your anger eat you up... keep giving people something to think about.
kraft,kiara and helen... three peas in a pod... bet you three could knock the socks off'em in your day... stay good and healthy..
Miss LindaK, it is ashame other posters seem to think were the same, I always felt you did better in getting your point across... don't let the lefties get ya down...
Bear, you always had my respect...
yellowstone and classicrock... you two clowns are needed in this little part of the auction boards... good to see people laugh even if it is considered juvenile
cheryl, good luck with your move to Canada, Nova Scotia is beautiful...hope your business continues to prosper.
Have to admit kraft is the only one who almost guessed right about me, I didn't believe most of what I posted, but loved to post for effect... sorry if that upsets some of you... but I gave each of you a board to bounce your convictions and ideas off of. If we all agreed it would of been boring...
I will lurk now and again, and do have another id I post with in the EO, but even that place has gone stale... how often can someone b!tch about paypal... please.
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