posted on June 20, 2005 09:01:45 AM newHow about the Sears guy that rotates the tires, the grocery clerk that checks me out and also the people at the bank where I deposit my money.::
Fenix says no.
How come not these people. We all know bank tellers don't make much money.
posted on June 20, 2005 09:02:46 AM new
That's QUEEN deary.
::fenix, maybe she doesnt have it to tip and is feeling like somebody is trying to guilt or coerce her into it?::
I actually was not referring to the tipping thing there. I was referring to the snide comments about Peepas life and the regular comments about how much moral her life is than everyone elses and the semi regular I am going now to explore my Rockwellian existance and must leave you lesser beings exits.
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posted on June 20, 2005 09:05:00 AM new
::How come not these people. We all know bank tellers don't make much money.::
I don't know - I didn't make the rules. I just know them.
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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...
posted on June 20, 2005 09:15:21 AM new
Fenix show me where are the rules about tipping. Please show me and the others that don't know it. Tipping is a way of life to help the owners of establishments so they don't have to pay their service people. Maybe if the public would quit tipping things would be different. I don't know but I will tip who I want to and when I feel like it. Lousy service no tipping. Evidently the person bigpeepa was talking with was complaining about her wages. Bigpeepa should have said go to your boss.
You say that in such a snide manner Libra
Now tell me how you can tell how I was posting how do you know what my life is. Are you a soothsayer. I was laughing when I posted that because I thought bigpeepa's post was hilarious so I thought I would add my two cents worth.
To bad your such a stick in the mud
Our granddaughter is 18 months and what a pistol. She is sleeping right now so that she can muster up energy to run around when her sister comes at 1. She is 9. This will happen most of the summer and I truly enjoy it. Sometimes it is harrowing but then at 5 I can sit and relax and think about the fun we had during the day. We have Wednesdays off.
This is a way of helping our daughter and son-in-law to stay away from day care. Now everyone I am not knocking day care it but some parents send their children to day care sick and I don't want these children to get sick.
It is not supposed to be a way for employers to avoid paying pweople, it is a way to show appreciation. Stop if you like, of course there is no telling what type of service you might get the next time
::Now tell me how you can tell how I was posting how do you know what my life is. Are you a soothsayer.::
No sweetie, I just read your words and post on how they come across. If you don't want people to interpret them, don't post them. Stop referring to the morals that you have that others would know nothing about, etc. You are the one opens the door to interpretations. If you don't want people making them, keep the door closed.
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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...
posted on June 20, 2005 09:37:53 AM newNo sweetie, I just read your words and post on how they come across. If you don't want people to interpret them, don't post them. Stop referring to the morals that you have that others would know nothing about, etc. You are the one opens the door to interpretations. If you don't want people making them, keep the door closed.
posted on June 20, 2005 09:44:45 AM new
Oh dbl I think this goes back to a previous thread.
Now I asked who made these rules? Giving that website was just suggestions not rules. By the time you tip all those people you don't have enough to go on vacation.
posted on June 20, 2005 09:48:22 AM new
I said I had to run....... across town to my other place. Did you think I was going away for good? Awwwww.......
posted on June 20, 2005 09:48:36 AM new
Oh Libra - grow up. You asked about tipping etiquette, I gave you the info I had. You asked who made them, I said I don't know. You asked to see them - I gave you the link... Just how intensely do you intend to beat this horse?
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- Ann Coulter
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posted on June 20, 2005 09:48:40 AM newIt is not supposed to be a way for employers to avoid paying pweople yes it is fenix and you know it. Why do the waitresses get only $2.45 and hour. Aren't they worth more than that to the owner? Explain that one to me.
posted on June 20, 2005 10:09:35 AM new
Libra obviously is terribly unsophisticated (especially about something as universally accepted as tipping)and probably hasn't been more than a mile or two from her birthplace.....doesn't make for a broad mind.
posted on June 20, 2005 11:46:49 AM new
Here is another poster telling me what my life is. Gee I didn't realize I have never traveled or even left home. I had better take a hard look at my life, which I might say has been pretty hectic and fun. Wow! I wish I had their crystal ball.
How come it is when a question is directed to a certain person someone always answers for them? Do they know that person better than themselves?
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posted on June 20, 2005 02:17:33 PM new
I rarely have occasion to tip anyone but a waiter or waitress, but I've always felt that a person who can't afford to tip is a person who can't afford to go out. The system is as the system is. Waitstaff are paid next to nothing, and the person who thinks their taking a stand against this system by not tipping is going to make a difference is just making excuses for their own cheapness. My oldest was a waitress for several years in a very high end restaurant in Tucson, and I can tell you that from conversations with her, when she got stiffed, in other words no tip at all; she figured her customer was either an ass, a cheapskate, or just forgot. When she got a bad tip, on the other hand, she took time to rethink her service to that party and see if maybe it was her fault. It never occurred to her that maybe that customer was fed up with the system and was doing his/her part to end it.
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posted on June 20, 2005 02:35:13 PM new
Profe51, We have never not tipped a waitress. Whether it be good or bad service the tip is always 20 or 25% that is now. But I think in high end restaurants where Wine it in-flatted, drinks are in-flatted the food is in-flatted the owner is making money off those waitresses and they need to pay them more.
We don't tip according to service we tip according to the going price, but some tip according to service and that is why waitresses work in high class restaurants. If they give good service then the tip is good and that is great for them.
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posted on June 20, 2005 03:05:12 PM new
Libra - My husband and I did pretty much the same thing when we went on vacation. It depended on where we were going, or how long we stayed, but if we put the sign on the door 'do not disturb' we meant it. And that included maid service.
If we'd ask for additional towels or wash rags...then we'd tip the person who brought them to us. If we ordered room service then we tipped them. But if a maid didn't enter our room for three days, at our request, then we didn't tip them. No reason to...they didn't even have to do their daily tasks.
Another reason, besides locking ourselves away from the world was when we went to Vegas or Tahoe. We gambled late into the night...slept during the day...and didn't want to be disturbed when we might be sleeping....or just resting. No maid service....no tip.
So...as a couple here appear to be doing...it's not always that one can't afford to tip....one just finds it not necessary to do so in some cases.
And that's what's great.....WE, the customer, get to choose if we will or not. It's our choice as to whether WE think one has been earned or not.
Imo, it used to be something that the service people really appreciated....now it's expected. Not what gratuities nor tips are all about, imo. They're a reward for service given.
This business of 'if you can't afford' it is laughable as it shouldn't be an expected 'given'.
posted on June 20, 2005 03:23:14 PM new "I rarely have occasion to tip anyone but a waiter or waitress, but I've always felt that a person who can't afford to tip is a person who can't afford to go out. The system is as the system is. Waitstaff are paid next to nothing, and the person who thinks their taking a stand against this system by not tipping is going to make a difference is just making excuses for their own cheapness."
posted on June 20, 2005 05:01:52 PM newprofe51, no there won't be less drivers. The definitive word in my post is own. Tell me how many drivers on the road own their own cars
I'm sure I have no idea, do you? If so, please enlighten me. I do know that most people I know are deeply in debt for their vehicles, paying car payments so big and for so many years that you could instead buy a small house. So in that sense, I guess they don't own their cars. The banks are the owners. I don't know about leasing. You'll find that out here in the west, leasing is a bad deal due to mileage and road conditions. The dealer nicks you real bad when you return a vehicle with lots of dings and miles. Most people I know don't lease for that reason. But, all things considered, I don't know that many people, (nor do I wish to) so my opinion is undoubtedly far from any semblance of accuracy.
By the way, I was joking. Sorry for not borrowing a smilie from linda to let you know. She was short of them and wouldn't loan me one.
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posted on June 20, 2005 05:23:03 PM new
I don't use smiley faces because there are too many comments about them. I also don't bold because someone doesn't like it. but with leasing that is all you see in our paper. Ad after ad about car leasing but I will tell you the dealer will not accept a car back with damage. I don't know what the consequences would be but it has to be returned in the condition it left the show room or they won't accept it. Most around here lease those expensive SUV's. It must be a status symboll or something. Me I will take something that won't make me break the bank. You have bad roads, well come to Wisconsin. They are like driving over railroad tracks. Or in the old days washboards.
posted on June 20, 2005 06:22:52 PM newShe's saving her smileys for me. They are in combat training right now.
That explains it...A smilie attack, what fun! No doubt with a bunch of LOL's thrown in just when you're down. I can hardly wait!
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posted on June 20, 2005 06:51:55 PM new
When words fail....Abuse with an adulterated smiley is Linda's game... maul 'em with a perverted smiley and a derisive LOL!
posted on June 21, 2005 12:23:41 AM new
""But if a maid didn't enter our room for three days, at our request, then we didn't tip them. No reason to...they didn't even have to do their daily tasks. ""
And, of course, you cleaned your own room before you left and had it ready for the next guest so the maid didn't have to lift a finger...right?
posted on June 21, 2005 08:54:28 AM newI rarely have occasion to tip anyone but a waiter or waitress, but I've always felt that a person who can't afford to tip is a person who can't afford to go out.
You know Helen, that is not a fair statement. One group that comes to mind is senior citizens. They either cant or dont cook much and really enjoy going out for the a decent cooked meal. The senior lunch specials, etc they seem to go for when they can. It's a stretch for them to leave a tip most times. When I waitressed, I saw many such customers as that, some were even regulars - as if that was their one decent meal of the week. Dont get me wrong, I liked getting my tips, (and most always was left something because I was friendly and provided them some conversation or whatnot)...but if they couldnt leave it, either, I didnt hold it against them. I saw them sometimes digging up change to pay the tab..or taking sugars home! So no, I dont think its fair you say people who cannot aford to tip shouldnt go out.
posted on June 21, 2005 09:01:28 AM new
Helen didn't say that. I did. There are plenty of budget places with good food to eat where tipping isn't expected, or where prices are such that a decent tip isn't a lot of money.
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posted on June 21, 2005 09:37:30 AM newIf you cant just pay for your food, then the expectation is to pay the workers salary?
Waiters and waitresses work largely for tips, that's the truth of the matter. I'm not saying it's a good system, but it's the one that's used pretty much world wide. There'll always be people who don't tip. Some can't afford to, others will rationalize their parsimony by saying the meal costs enough, the restaurant should pay it's help better, etc., etc.. People who go into the restaurant server line of work have to consider those people as part of their overhead, taking the bad along with the good like any job. It's still my opinion that with this system generally accepted everywhere, people should figure tipping into the deal when they're planning to go out and pick their restaurant accordingly.
My oldest waited tables at Janos Wilder's restaurant in Tucson for 2 years. When she graduated from the U of A, I took myself, my wife, son, younger daughter and the girls' mother there for a celebration. The meal cost this old cheapskate more than an entire paycheck, but I knew what I was in for and planned accordingly. I should add, my girl at the age of 18-19 took home in 4 nights waitressing more than I do now teaching.
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