Linda_K
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posted on July 1, 2005 07:27:28 AM new
Again....'tis better to have a man who knows what needs to be done...than a man who can never make the same decision twice on any subject. And still to this day...can't say what HE'D do. 
Costas: If you had been elected president last November, by this point what would President John Kerry have done in Iraq?
Kerry: Well, I laid out--you know, I don't want to get in--I mean, I think that's not quite the way to go at it.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
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fenix03
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posted on July 1, 2005 08:05:08 AM new
::fenix - Your objection to being called what you have called yourself in your posts, a liberal, surprises me. Are you or are you not a liberal?::
I am a liberal however you missed my point. I have noticed a tendency when you use that term to make a widespeaking generaliztion of a belief or a habit that you believe all liberals share and then apply it to an arguement we are having when in fact it has nothing to do with what I am actually saying.
::Yes, we need to stay there UNTIL the Iraqi's can train enough forces to defend themselves. Until that time they need our presense.::
Isn't that basically what I said back in my first post that you mocked?
Also, no government is going to be able to stand on it's own until it is allowed/forced to do so. We need to start helping them get their government in order and get an internal works structure built and then start getting the hell out of dodge and let the people of Iraq start taking care of their own business.
Did you stop reading when you saw the word "start"?
::I think it's better for us to remain in Iraq and fight the terrorists there. How many times do I have to repeat myself before it's understood that I'd rather see this war in Iraq than on our own soil?::
What? Please help me to understand this one. You believe that it was right to invade Iraq despite the fact that the rational we were given at the beginning was a huge pack of lies because getting rid of Saddam was a positive, life improving step for the Iraqi people. Then you turn right around and say that you really like the idea of turning their country into our own personal gladiator arena where we stand and say come and get us to any nutcase extremeist that wants to throw a punch? And yet you claim to respect and care for the welfare of the people of Iraq?
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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...
- Ann Coulter
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maggiemuggins
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posted on July 1, 2005 08:05:34 AM new
Helen, Excellent post! You have a gift of being so clear and concise..what takes others three or four arm length posts to get their point across, takes you one or two succinct paragraphs.
And in keeping with the "You liberals" and "you Repugs" thing.. I'd venture a guess that there are no more than 1 or 2 "Ultra" anythings on this board..most are moderates..all with their own opinions, some with more knowledge than others...and each and every one believing they know the truth...but not one of us capable of changing a damn thing. When we take it to a personal mud slinging level..it shows our own frustration in not being able to gain support for our personal beliefs..that's all, like a tantrum... yes..I finally got it
Fenix!
Kiara..slow down girl...you're already nipping at their heels..if you continue at this pace, you'll over shoot your target!
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kiara
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posted on July 1, 2005 08:08:46 AM new
Things will not improve in Iraq until the electrical and water systems improve.
Linda_k, for a better understanding of the electrical power issue perhaps you should read this site. In return if you honestly wish to debate this issue, you could post the Chernoff site you so readily referenced, so I can judge where you got your information.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/050105F.shtml
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kiara
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posted on July 1, 2005 08:10:44 AM new
Maggie!  You always make me smile!
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bigpeepa
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posted on July 1, 2005 09:41:51 AM new
Hey All, I see after the speech Bush's approval rating has jumped a resounding 2 points.
Bush/Cheney have lied so much to the American people that few believe them any longer. Its sad and a crime what they have done to this country.
Still today Bush is saying one thing and Cheney is saying the opposite. They have no plan and have no idea what to do about Iraq. Our troops still don't have the supplies and armor they need.
First is was WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION,then is was DEMOCRACY now its TERRORIST AND AGAIN 9-11. What will Bush/Cheney say next. These are the biggest flip flops I have seen since Viet Nam.
What a joke underfunding the Vets Medical care by a Billion IS.
Then another joke is LINDA_LINK posts some underfunded PHONY MONEY STAT from Bush. Then she posts another PHONY NOT TRUE quoit from the head of the Vets administration. Trying to show these fools Bush/Cheney and her knows what's really going on.
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Helenjw
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posted on July 1, 2005 10:01:56 AM new
Thanks, Maggie!
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kiara
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posted on July 2, 2005 08:31:37 AM new
Linda_k says:
I think it's better for us to remain in Iraq and fight the terrorists there. How many times do I have to repeat myself before it's understood that I'd rather see this war in Iraq than on our own soil?
Fenix says:
What? Please help me to understand this one. You believe that it was right to invade Iraq despite the fact that the rational we were given at the beginning was a huge pack of lies because getting rid of Saddam was a positive, life improving step for the Iraqi people. Then you turn right around and say that you really like the idea of turning their country into our own personal gladiator arena where we stand and say come and get us to any nutcase extremeist that wants to throw a punch? And yet you claim to respect and care for the welfare of the people of Iraq?
Kiara says:
Why won't Linda_k come back and answer Fenix when all she does is constantly rag on everyone else for not answering questions.
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Linda_K
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posted on July 2, 2005 10:23:05 AM new
LOL kiara - And you tried to use this as a diversion so that YOU didn't have to address the questions I put to you.
Maybe you could just focus on the conversation between you and I and not worry about the one between fenix and myself....especially to only use it as a way of avoiding what I'm asking you.
how funny you are....
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
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kiara
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posted on July 2, 2005 12:26:41 PM new
Nice try, slinking back here a couple of hours later and pretending that I hadn't already answered you in that other thread earlier this morning, Linda_k.
I did answer you but just like when Kraft and I answered you before on other topics, it's NOT the answer you want to hear so you pretend I didn't answer or assume I think something that you WANT to hear me say.
And even though you are still too cowardly a day later to answer Fenix, I hope her post gave you some food for thought as you try to rationalize your beliefs to the rest of us.
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Linda_K
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posted on July 2, 2005 01:24:47 PM new
ROFLMHO @ you kiara. You are a true case of comic relief.
Yea....and I'll be sure and change all my political positions once I come around to seeing the 'light' that the lefties here see.
THEN I'll accuse our military of killing journalists and say I support them anyway too.
delusional best describes many of your posts, imo.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
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kiara
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posted on July 2, 2005 02:05:48 PM new
ROFLMHO @ you kiara. You are a true case of comic relief.
Always glad to help, Linda_k.
You labor under delusions. I'm convinced the stark reality of my honest opinions sends you rolling on the floor with laughter and brings you out of your usual dark, bitter rages. You'd have probably flipped out completely long ago if it wasn't for me.
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fenix03
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posted on July 2, 2005 02:42:27 PM new
I see you have plenty of time to chastise Kiara - how about a reply to my question. Seems to be much contridicition in your statements and attitudes. Did you want to clarify?
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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...
- Ann Coulter
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Linda_K
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posted on July 2, 2005 02:50:09 PM new
lol fenix....now you going to start playing tag-along with kiara?
I did answer your set of questions....then you twist around what I said...and start down the path of 'he lied' again....so what's the point. The left has NEVER been able to PROVE he lied...and the 9-11 commission said he hadn't. So, as I said when I did answer your questions directly.....how many times to I have to repeat the same answer before you get it?
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
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Linda_K
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posted on July 2, 2005 03:03:45 PM new
Plus there's no point in trying to discuss the issues when only one side answers questions....I've asked a question here to all lefites about what they think would happen if we did as they wish? No answers...not a one. BUT...hey...they expect and demand each and every question they ask be addressed.
It works both ways.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
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kiara
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posted on July 2, 2005 04:25:16 PM new
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fenix03
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posted on July 2, 2005 05:10:12 PM new
inda - I completely understand the words that you say. I just do not understand work in tandem. First you say that you care abut the Iraqi opeople, then you say that you want us to wage a war against anyone that wants to fight us in their backyard. I don't understand how you can say that you care about the welfare of someone and then not care that they are being killed and their country destroyed as we fight a battle that cannot be won.
No one wins an ideological battle Linda not even one with guns and bombs.
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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...
- Ann Coulter
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fenix03
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posted on July 2, 2005 05:16:03 PM new
Linda - that's is a load of bull. i have answered every question you have asked me. You just don't like the answers. As for the "You liberals" loaded "push" questions... I've addressed that point.
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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...
- Ann Coulter
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logansdad
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posted on July 2, 2005 06:42:25 PM new
BP,
I like this poll result:
To buttress this point-together with a general cluelessness in the pro-war, pro-Bush punditocracy-a USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup Poll released the same day found a record 61 percent of respondents telling pollsters that they don't think the president has a clear plan for handling Iraq. Perhaps more shocking for the self-righteous minions in the conservative camp who believe that Bush and company can do no wrong-and the reporters who love them-is a poll released last week in which "[f]orty-nine percent (49%) of Americans say that President Bush is more responsible for starting the War with Iraq than Saddam Hussein. A Rasmussen Reports survey found that 44% take the opposite view and believe Hussein shoulders most of the responsibility."
http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=865107
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
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bigpeepa
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posted on July 2, 2005 08:28:02 PM new
I just counted and Linda_K, AKA, Linda_Link has made 37 replies on this one POST ALONE.
LINDA_K, YOU ARE FAR OVER THE EDGE AND NEED HELP. LINDA_K YOU NEED HELP WOMAN!!!!!! YOU SURELY NEED HELP!!!!!!
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Libra63
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posted on July 2, 2005 10:08:56 PM new
Linda Watch out. I think bigpeepa likes you. He is now keeping his eye on you.
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Libra63
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posted on July 2, 2005 10:11:23 PM new
With the screaming that you do bigpeepa I think you are the one who needs help. Posting in caps now counting posts. Doesn't look good for you.
What does it matter how many posts you post to a thread. Vendio doesn't care why should you.
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bigpeepa
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posted on July 3, 2005 05:18:57 AM new
Libra63 posting 37 time on one subject shows the compulsive nature of a very WHACKED OUT person. Linda_K needs help. Its been said many times by a lot of different people.
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Libra63
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posted on July 3, 2005 08:55:46 AM new
Yes it has been said bigpeepa, by all the liberals in here. Remember the liberals out number the conservatives by 2/1. (i.e Justice O'Conner thread.) I think you said that was a big margin. She is just trying to even up the playing field.
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bigpeepa
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posted on July 3, 2005 11:12:37 AM new
LIBRA63 DON'T TRY TO TWIST MY WORDS YOU ARE NOT GOOD AT IT.
I said by 2 to 1 the American people want a womans right to choose left alone. I call that a MAJORITY. AGAIN OLD WOMAN DON'T TRY TO TWIST MY WORDS YOU ARE NOT GOOD AT IT.
Now go play your foolish if not stupid games with someone else. I don't have time for you today.
[ edited by bigpeepa on Jul 3, 2005 11:17 AM ]
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Linda_K
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posted on July 3, 2005 12:04:03 PM new
Libra - HE doesn't have time for you today.
It's because he's SO obsessed with me and you know, counting how many posts I make in all the threads each day is SO much more important and time consuming for him than you'll ever realize. LOL
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
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Libra63
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posted on July 3, 2005 01:17:38 PM new
Linda as if we have time for bigpeepa any day.
He just takes up bandwidth with his screaming and name calling. Here I thought you and I did all the name calling according to some on this board. Just take a check in his last post, he called me wacko and old women. I will make a bet I am younger than bigpeepa both in age and if not in age, mindset.
Libra63 posting 37 time on one subject shows the compulsive nature of a very WHACKED OUT person.
So now bigpeepa your a psychologist? You sure are a man of different hats. You can analyze someone from reading on a chat board. Your just making you self look more silly (That can't be possible). I think if you check back you will find another poster, who shall remain nameless, has done that also.
I call 2/1 in this board a majority also that is why I said that. Just going by your words bigpeepa.
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kiara
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posted on July 3, 2005 04:53:19 PM new
Getting back to the discussion of electricity and water in Iraq:
Posted Sunday, Jul. 03, 2005
Oil But No Gasoline, Rivers But No Water
According to the Brookings Institution, Iraq's power system generated less electricity in June 2005 than in June 2004; crude-oil production is down, as are revenues from oil exports; the mile-long lines at gas stations are back after subsiding a few months ago. Many Baghdad neighborhoods have had little or no water supply for several weeks.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1079500-1,00.html
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kiara
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posted on July 4, 2005 12:11:59 AM new
And on the electrical issue, fenix....right now...currently it is up to where it was when we invaded. Check Chernoff's site where he gives updates from all around the world on what IS being accomplished there
Well, kiara...you're info is different than that that is being reported on the Chernoff site. And those people are actually on the ground. I'll take their word over yours. Their electricity is a little bit BETTER than it was pre-invasion.
Baghdad Faces Brutal Heat With Less Power
Before the U.S.-led invasion, Baghdad residents enjoyed about 20 hours of electricity a day, although U.S. officials say supplies in provincial cities were much lower.
Today, residents of the capital receive power for about 10 hours a day, usually broken into two-hour chunks.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050704/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_sweltering_summer
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