posted on July 5, 2005 12:04:36 PM new
Thanks for the link, scorpiogal....but imo, the article doesn't prove this is occurring....just that some believe it does...while others don't agree.
from your article:
Both studies have their shortcomings; the California records give only broad indicators of economic achievement, and studying whose resumes elicit callbacks doesn't show who ultimately gets the jobs or what they do once employed.
But both also point to dilemmas for advocates of greater economic opportunity for blacks. Some, like Fryer, are eager to show black culture isn't a handicap, and black parents shouldn't shy away from it. On the other hand, Bertrand and Mullainathan's work suggests a black name could still conceivably hold someone back.
Looks kind of like a 'wash' to me.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on July 5, 2005 12:13:26 PM new
boy...I can tell from just the comments you've make today about me, that you don't have very good judgement abilities.
Plus you appear to me to not really be interested in discussing anything. You want to have your say and just ignore any questions put to you. PLUS you can't even support your own comments with links.
Hurt feelings? LOL from the likes of you....someone who just wants to start an argument....don't think so sweetie.
This thread was about how we each feel about what Cosby is doing to help the black community. I praised him....did you miss that....for what's he doing. That's CERTAINLY NOT discrimination by any way, shape or form of YOUR imagination. LOL
Go take your false assumptions and dump them on someone else....they won't stick to me.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on July 5, 2005 12:40:31 PM new
LindaK I'm sorry you feel that way but it must be aggravating to see so many posters getting the wrong assumptions about you. But you seem to be the one who wants to challenge and argue rather than discuss.
You always seem to talk in circles_
-This thread was about how we each feel about what Cosby is doing to help the black community. I praised him....did you miss that....for what's he doing. That's CERTAINLY NOT discrimination by any way, shape or form of YOUR imagination. LOL
Go take your false assumptions and dump them on someone else....they won't stick to me. -
You tell me what my imagination is capable of, are your assumptions better than others ? Why?.
We were discussing a variety of issues related to that suject.
One was how discrimination makes for an unlevel playing field so there are no simple solutions as some seem to think.
If you think discrimination doesn't exist I have to believe you're living in another world. Just because you haven't experienced it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
posted on July 5, 2005 12:58:58 PM new
Yeah..DBL..I've noticed we have a newbie among us...do they have mingotrees in Australia along with their dingos? Where's Austybounty when we need him?
If this discussion has turned into a debate whether discrimination is still alive and going strong in America..let me be the first to say that I have seen it often down here in good ole Mississippi first hand.
And like Kiara mentioned, you just have to read this board to see blatant prdjudices..not necessarily against blacks, but against our neighbors to the north and south of us, against gays,against women....against newbies, and oldies etc.. So,yes discrimination is and always will be here to stay in one form or another.. jmho
[ edited by maggiemuggins on Jul 5, 2005 12:59 PM ]
posted on July 5, 2005 01:00:20 PM new
dbl I think you are getting close.
Good to see you back. Hope you had a great 4th weekend.
If I told you my last name you would wonder if I am black or white, but since I won't reveal it your out of luck.
The ratio using my last name is 1/1.
If you read and notice the posts after the initial start of the thread it became a universal issue not attacking any ethnic group but them all.
The only totally black discussion here was about the hair dressers, because the poster new the people and gave us her insite. Some answered but it went back to all ethnic groups quick.
posted on July 5, 2005 01:32:51 PM new
Come on KD you are smarter than that. Read the initial post about names or did your selective reading pass over it.
Lots you know that P Diddy isn't a last name. How stupid you sounded. I am sorry but that is how I took your post. Maybe you are a little crabby today.
posted on July 5, 2005 01:42:55 PM new
Double, in answer to your question yesterday, I don't see there being black, white, hispanic, etc., issues. I see issues period that affect all people, but it's mainly the poor who are most affected. I think Cosby is taking a few steps backwards in trying to make this a black issue when it's just a human issue.
posted on July 5, 2005 01:51:02 PM new
Okay mingotree what did you think about the University Of Michigan when they accepted a black student because of quota and passed up a white honor student. The black student wasn't an honor student?
This is going on everywhere, but this thread is about Bill Cosby and what he is doing or trying to do and at least someone is trying and maybe if we are lucky it will crossover into all ethnic groups.
posted on July 5, 2005 02:08:58 PM new
Mexico stamps snapped up
Frenzy for 'Memin' image is increased by eBay.
By Mark Stevenson
Associated Press
MEXICO CITY Hundreds lined up at the Mexican capital's main post office to buy postage stamps which U.S. critics call racist, but which Mexicans snapped up at such a rate that all 750,000 sold out Friday, two days after they hit the market.
Many expressed anger that the United States where Mexicans have long faced discrimination would dare to accuse Mexico of racist attitudes.
"They're the racists. They're worse than we are, but they just want to belittle us, like always," said businessman Cesar Alonso Alvarado, 53, as he waited in line to buy stamps featuring the Memin Pinguin character.
Alvarado said that he started reading the comic at age 10, and denies it is racist.
People were also drawn by reports that hundreds of dollars had been bid on the Internet auction site eBay for sheets of the 6.50-peso ($.60) stamps. A groan rippled through the crowd in the late afternoon Friday, when a report spread that the post office had run out of full sheets of 50 stamps, the most sought-after item.
"They're paying US$120 for them in the United States," said retiree Luis Guillen, 66, when asked why he had bought several sheets. Asked about accusations of racism, he retorted, "What about all the waiters, and servants, and dumb depictions of blacks in old American movies?"
By midday Friday, bidding on eBay had risen to more than $127.50 for a strip of five stamps, about 45 times their face value. Postal employees also continued to hand-stamp sheets and envelopes with the first-day seal, two days after the stamp's June 28 debut.
Memin and the artist who draws him, Sixto Valencia, were lionized on Mexican television news programs.
Here is how our neighbors to the south view discrimination.
Ron
posted on July 5, 2005 02:31:34 PM new
Ron, you're right, just follow the money.
Libra P Diddy, quotas were instigated because of discrimination. Do I know if the black student was an honor student? No, I don't and so what? Maybe to you it's discrimination against a white student, and maybe it is, I wonder how THEY feel for a change. But on the bright side at least they didn't have dogs and fire hoses turned on them.
posted on July 5, 2005 03:27:49 PM new
I tried to buy some last week in Mexico. I had big plans to scan a sheet and post it here for your scorn/adulation etc....No luck.
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posted on July 5, 2005 03:31:46 PM new
What do dogs and fire hoses have to do with discrimination?
But they did use dogs and fire hoses on the whites that rioted in California. so is that discrimination? No it is just to quiet a riot.
Get over your discrimination mingotree. Most everyone in here, except you, think that poor whites, Hispanic and blacks are discriminated against. This is a fact, what is being discussed in here is how to improve the poor and uneducated so they can have a productive life. Right away you come in and inject "anyone black in here" great entrance. I do admit it got a lot of response but if you had read the thread you would have seen all of us discussing that it is happening in all ethnic groups not just black. But only Bill Cosby is bringing this to everyones attention. Whether he is right or wrong in how he is doing it is another story
posted on July 5, 2005 03:34:27 PM new
Hiya Libra!! Hope you had a good forth as well! I worked for the most part. Tell you what though, my neighbors were having a cook-out and I came home and those steaks smelled soooo good from that charcoal fire! I was wishing I had a dog to run over there and snatch one up for me!! lol!!
Mingotree, quota's were certainly not 'instigated.' You sound like crowfarm or kiara, always using the wrong words in your statements.
posted on July 5, 2005 03:39:26 PM new
::......I have to believe you're living in another world.::
Seems we have a very quick study among us. Welcome to the frey Mingo.
Linda --- If you read past the first couple paragrapohs you will find that the woman opinions are backed up by actual studies...
Previous studies have examined how employers responded to similarly qualified applicants they meet in person, but this experiment attempted to isolate the response to the name itself.
White names got about one callback per 10 resumes; black names got one per 15. Carries and Kristens had call-back rates of more than 13 percent, but Aisha, Keisha and Tamika got 2.2 percent, 3.8 percent and 5.4 percent, respectively. And having a higher quality resume, featuring more skills and experience, made a white-sounding name 30 percent more likely to elicit a callback, but only 9 percent more likely for black-sounding names.
I remember when one of the girls in the salon brought her son in and introduced him to everyone. A couple of the girls were teasing her because her sons name was a "white boys name", she told them when she was trying to think of names the litmus test was "Does this sound like the name of a CEO". It's funny but it really does. First thing I thought when she said it was this should be the name of a charachter in a Dominick Dunn book.
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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...
posted on July 5, 2005 03:49:46 PM new
Libra63, excuse me but i have no intention of getting over discrimination.
Water hoses and dogs may have been used to quiet riots but they were used on blacks and black CHILDREN because they WERE black.
The opening post of this thread is about blacks, not hispanics, not the poor. Maybe you should pay more attention to what the thread is about.
I sure did get some response to a simple straightforward question, very defensive answers, and it's such a simple question. I think a few read way too much into it, that's their problem.
No, twig it's not alright and I never said it was. You call the treatment of blacks in our history as people behaving badly . behaving badly !
I hope we can all agree that siccing dogs on children and lynching their parents is more than "behaving badly".
posted on July 5, 2005 04:17:10 PM newYou sound like crowfarm or kiara, always using the wrong words in your statements.
always ??
dblfugger9, I do know the right words to use in my statements and crowfarm did also ..... maybe they just happen to be the words you don't want to hear.
posted on July 5, 2005 04:29:06 PM newThis forum is a great example. Think of those who have built their own misconstrued or inaccurate 'covers' for others and that's the only way they judge them here and the only way they respond to them.If they are so willing to do that with a complete stranger on a message or chat board I can only wonder how they judge others within their own communities or anywhere else in this world.
Yes kiara, you always know the right words to turn *any* thread topic into some bs about yourself, and poor, poor, you, and how you are wrongly perceived. You are so predicable and boring!
So Sorry, tootzie, your words are not your 'cover'. Looks are one's cover, your clothes are one's cover, but the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. And all you ever speak about is your goofy self and your jerky innuendo that has nothing to do with the topic!
posted on July 5, 2005 04:39:58 PM new
dblfugger9, before you jump to your usual asinine assumptions about what I said and what I meant, perhaps you should take a really deep breath and calm down and read what Maggie said. She interpreted my remarks correctly.
And like Kiara mentioned, you just have to read this board to see blatant prdjudices..not necessarily against blacks, but against our neighbors to the north and south of us, against gays,against women....against newbies, and oldies etc.. So,yes discrimination is and always will be here to stay in one form or another..
posted on July 5, 2005 04:42:24 PM new
If you've been 'lurking' like you said mingo
then you know, that one person posts something, and believe me, the OP (original post) is shoved aside, and off track we go again! LOL, its a fun ride though, you have to stick around
And btw I started this topic in all honesty, I only saw the TeeVee news about Bill Cosby, and some comments there, and wanted to know what ya'll thought, and if anyone had a link to the story, of which bear provided.
I was really curious to know what other (black white green tye died whatever color you are) thought about it.
Profe, did you score any good fireworks down there? Mike said when he lived in El Paso, they would skip over to Juarez and get some get some good 'blow 'em up stuff'
now we can get that at the Indian reservation, maybe not tnt, but pretty close!
It was a really outrageous 4th in the neighborhood, we just sat on the deck and watched, instead of going to a hotel to watch the ones on Lake Union
posted on July 5, 2005 04:55:58 PM new
I'm well aware that the thread dosen't always stay on topic, please explain that to libra63 who seems to be trying to tell me what to post ?????
posted on July 5, 2005 05:06:56 PM new
funny fenix - Linda --- If you read past the first couple paragrapohs you will find that the woman opinions are backed up by actual studies...
Anyone reading the story, except you obviously, will notice what I quoted WAS near the end of the story....whereas what you quoted is right at the beginning.
how childish you can be at times.
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and I too was thinking the same thing, dbl, it's either crowfarm or kiara. But since it's not all about 'her', I think mingotree tree is either crowfarm or her twin sister.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on July 5, 2005 05:08:20 PM new
Dble, I always try to choose my words carefully, they may not be perfect to you but they were fine with me. I've read some of your posts and find it amazing that you can criticize someone else's use of words.
I will try not to pick apart your posts if you can refrain from nitpicking mine.
Discrimination is the reason quotas were instigated. I believe this to be true. If you would like to tell me why you thought quotas were developed please do.
posted on July 5, 2005 05:17:35 PM new
mingotree. I knew what the original post was about. I didn't start it though. I knew that the problem isn't only the blacks. So many tried to bring it into lower class poverty of all ethnic groups and tried to come up with different ideas. It was Bill Cosby who brought this to the forefront but it doesn't have to be just about blacks.
You are the one who doesn't realize that and I am not telling you what to post.
You post what you like, if I don't like it I will response the same goes for you also. Or anyone on this discussion board. It is a discussion thread not blacks against the whites. It is about if Bill Cosby is doing the right thing. It is about poverty, yes in blacks but this thread was turned around to bring attention to all ethnic groups.
Discrimination in my estimation is gone. It is only a word that people use when they don't like something. i.e. I am being discriminated against.
I will tell you I don't see in Black and White I see people who they are. Evidently you don't.
posted on July 5, 2005 05:19:42 PM new
kiara, you are a full of yourself jerk in my opinion - calm or not calm. Anybody who reads here can see what your your daily MO is about. You're posts are all the same sh* day in day out.
Why dont you go get your derriere buffed or something, huh?
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