posted on July 18, 2005 05:03:23 PM new
Linda, regardless of the statistics you can not say the drop in violent crime is due to the having the death penalty. The are many experts that say the death penalty does not act as a deterrant.
In his Scientific American magazine article entitled, "The Case of the Unsolved Crime Decline," criminologist Richard Rosenfeld examines why U.S. crime rates dropped more than 40% in the 1990's and what lessons current policy-makers can learn from this decline. Rosenfeld provides an overview and evaluation of previous research showing a link in the crime rate decline and factors such as changes in demographics, law-enforcement practices, economic conditions, incarceration rates, domestic violence and firearm policies, and the use of guns by young drug dealers. He concludes that while each of these may have contributed toward the decline in serious violent and property crime rates, some of the policies also produced unintended policy effects that could have been avoided if research-based policy experiments had been conducted. For example, stiffer sentences for adult drug offenders, a policy designed to deter crime, may actually facilitate the criminal careers and shorten the lives of the youthful drug sellers who take their place. Based on his research, Rosenfeld provides three lessons that he believes society can draw that may help anticipate and even head off the next crime rate rise. These lessons include dividing crime trends into their component parts, looking for unintended policy effects and engaging in research-based policy experiments before new programs are implemented. (Scientific American, February 2004)
What I love are the liberals who are SOOOOoooo against the death penalty yet are also pro-abortion....
And where are all the conservatives in regards to the death penalty. Aren't the majority of conseravtives the religious ones that are so strict in what the bible says. Yeah they scream about the killing of babies but yet you don't hear a word from the conservatives about the death penalty. Killing is killing and killing is wrong in both cases. Yet again it is just one more example of how the religious right picks and chooses what they want from the Bible.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
posted on July 18, 2005 07:05:49 PM new
"The Saudis may have a low crime rate but some of the bloodiest, barbaric rulers in the world. Women may be killed legally if their husbands say so. "
HEY! If the b*tch dont swallow,you can have her head cut off-how cool is that??
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posted on July 18, 2005 09:23:11 PM new
"What I love are the liberals who are SOOOOoooo against the death penalty yet are also pro-abortion...."
This is the lamest argument I have ever heard.
If you ask most liberals, they are not pro- abortion. Myself included. I would never advocate abortion. What I do advocate however is the right of the individual to make that decision based on their own individual circumstances. They are the ones who have to live with their decision for the rest of their lives. Why should we let lunatics like Linda pass judgement on others? Since when does her self-righteous propaganda serve as the stone of judgement?
[ edited by rustygumbo on Jul 18, 2005 09:25 PM ]
They will never get that Roe vs. Wade was not about abortion, but about choice. You can comment on it until the cows come home and they'll never get it.
posted on July 19, 2005 07:54:56 AM new
logansdad - Do you hold some false impression that ONLY republicans support the death penalty? If so....you'd be wrong again.
And on your reference to the Bible and what YOU think it says.....might want to read a little on how some Christians feel the Bible does allow for the death penalty. Again, it's all in how we each interpret it ourselves.
On the difference between killing little babies....and killing those who aren't fit to live in our society anymore.....I understand how YOU could have a problem seeing the difference between the two. One being an innocent human....the other being one who has committed murder themselves. tsk tsk
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And cheryl is wrong too. It's not a matter of not "getting it"....it's a matter of those who are pro-choice/pro-abortion.....are FOR/PRO giving women the right to murder their child no matter it's gestational age....and that's murder in the eyes of many.
So deny away about what roe vs wade is all about....it's about the death of babies.....babies that could live if allowed to had THEY [the pro-choice people] allowed some restrictions on the law.
Most Americans are for stopping the partial-birth abortions....and would like to see some restrictions on abortion. I believe it will happen in my lifetime.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
[ edited by Linda_K on Jul 19, 2005 07:57 AM ]
posted on July 19, 2005 08:39:29 AM new
Sorry, Kraft I knew classic was lower than pond scum but YOU supprt this ???
classicrock000
posted on July 18, 2005 07:05:49 PM
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"The Saudis may have a low crime rate but some of the bloodiest, barbaric rulers in the world. Women may be killed legally if their husbands say so. "
HEY! If the b*tch dont swallow,you can have her head cut off-how cool is that??
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[ edited by classicrock000 on Jul 19, 2005 04:52 AM ]
kraftdinner
posted on July 18, 2005 08:18:34 PM
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Classic, what's your wife's email address? I just want to warn her of something.
posted on July 19, 2005 08:59:13 AM new
Yes, Mingotree.. I agree, I don't care for that kind of (humor?) either..degrading women tells a lot about a persons character, don't you think?
posted on July 19, 2005 10:24:12 AM newAgain, it's all in how we each interpret it ourselves.
But it is the religious conservatives who feel they know what the Bible says. It is the religious conservatives who feel their interpretation of the Bible is the correct one and everyone else is wrong.
It was Bush who believed God helped him win the election.
On the difference between killing little babies....and killing those who aren't fit to live in our society anymore.....I understand how YOU could have a problem seeing the difference between the two. One being an innocent human....the other being one who has committed murder themselves. tsk tsk
Both are wrong in my opinion. It is you who are judging one life over another. If you want to believe in the Bible as much as you say you do, then you would know, "Thou Shall not kill". Now who said..... If that is showing support for not having a death penalty then you must believe in another religion. It is plain as day tsk tsk.
Besides what is the difference between a man killing another man and then the state putting to death the killer. The state is just as wrong as the killer.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
posted on July 19, 2005 11:45:51 AM new
"Sorry, Kraft I knew classic was lower than pond scum but YOU supprt this ???"
Yo crowfart,if ya dont like my warped sense of humor,too bad-put me on ignore.At least a few people did welcome me back.Now I ask you,when you came back like a chickensh*t hiding under another name who welcomed you back???? well my dear exactly NO ONE.Ya know why?? well no one missed you.You came back in here hiding under other name and your M.O. was exactly the same,calling every "neocon" in here some sort of foul name.Do you ever think you could ever address a neocon without calling them a foul name? Well quite frankly no.....
posted on July 19, 2005 11:48:32 AM new
"Besides what is the difference between a man killing another man and then the state putting to death the killer. The state is just as wrong as the killer."
So dad you see absoutley no differnce in someone who kills an innocent man and and the state putting a convicted killer to death??
posted on July 19, 2005 12:17:22 PM new
logansdad - If you'd have read the link I provided...you would have read how some Christians feel/believe their support for the death penalty is SUPPORTED in the Bible.
Obviously you didn't choose to do so. But that link on the death penalty and Christians DID explain it quite clearly.....using Bible passages.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on July 19, 2005 01:01:36 PM new
Gee, classic I can now see what a fan club you have with posts like
"HEY! If the b*tch dont swallow,you can have her head cut off-how cool is that?? ''
Some here really adore that philosophy like LindaK. but I think we all know what she's about.
I 'm so wounded that you hate me so much I shan't sleep a wink all night worrying about it. Poor classic, must be tough to be so consumed by hatred....happy I could pull your strings!
posted on July 19, 2005 05:58:37 PM newyou would have read how some Christians feel/believe their support for the death penalty is SUPPORTED in the Bible.
The only proof I need is what Jesus has taught us...Thou shall not kill. If those Christians want to go against this then let them suffer God's wrath.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
posted on July 20, 2005 07:04:12 AM new
I don't believe the death penalty is right for this individual. He surely has a mental problem and should be put in an institute.
Of course he should be put there one digit or limb at a time.
The said digits and or limbs should be removed with out anesthesia and on intervals to let him heal and think about the things he's done.
I believe he would be cured from his mania about the time his heart was being removed.
Why are these people free to roam our countryside? It’s the liberal bleeding hearts that make this possible.
I think the judge that let him free on bail should have a similar fate.
Do I sound a bit annoyed or perturbed?
Why…yes I am!
This is happening all to often. It’s time to reopen the funny farms. Time to put these predators away for ever (in the prisons general population, where they won’t last long)
posted on July 23, 2005 11:02:39 AM new
I notice logansdad is avoiding answering my question. Most people who don't support the death penalty have never had a relative taken through violent crime.
posted on July 23, 2005 01:11:04 PM newI notice logansdad is avoiding answering my question
Sorry, but I didn't see your question until now.
how would you feel if someone molested then murdered your son?
Not sure how I would feel about it. I know that any person whom I love and died suddenly, I would be in disbelief and would be grieving. It would be a shock for a while but eventually I would move on with my life
Still would think it would be ok for that invidual to still breathe air?
Whether the person that killed my son serves a life sentence or dies via lethal injection 2 things are for sure : 1) it would not bring my loved one back and 2) it will not prevent another person from committing another crime of the same type.
If you want a real life example, look at the parents of Matthew Sheppard. When their son was bruttaly beaten and left for dead, they asked the judge to SPARE the lives of the two convicted murders. Why, so they would have to live with the grief and pain of what they did day after day until they die.
If you support the death penalty, in my opinion you are letting the criminal get off easy. Sure he gets death instead of living in a 12x12 cell for the rest of his life, but wouldnt it be more of a hell for that person to be in a confined area for the rest of his life?
Let me ask you this. How did the deaths of John Wayne Gaysey or Jeffrey Dahmer prevent any of the current criminals from raping and killing children? (Yes one got the death penalty and one had multiple life sentences).
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
----------------------------------
President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
posted on July 23, 2005 01:51:43 PM new
"So the "crime" rate is low, do you want to live there?"
I almost did. My father worked there for a decade and at one point in time I was supposed to move there as well. I would still very much like to visit the Kingdom and now that they are moving towards actually granting tourist Visas it is something that I may someday do.
Also if you believe that the House of Saud is an example of a bloody leadership then you might want to stop listening to uninformed reactionary hate mongers and do a little research into the realities of the Kingdom.
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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...
posted on July 24, 2005 04:37:16 AM new
If the punishment "fits" the crime... He would be in a small cell in an overcrowded prison with a big smelly fella (if he's a rascist, a big black fella) who'll make him his b*tch. Eventually, the population would take care of him.
However, he would be on death row, secluded from the rest of the population, so that wouldn't happen.
Express lane capital punishment.
If he's put in a mental institution, couldn't he be "cured" then released?
I shan't sleep a wink all night worrying about it. Poor classic, must be tough to be so consumed by hatred....happy I could pull your strings!
