posted on August 21, 2000 01:40:36 PM
BTW Kcat....didnt thank you for the bottle of Papaya Seed salad dressing you sent in the last batch....YUM! Just what I needed
posted on August 21, 2000 05:53:39 PM
A warm hello, partner
Me & the Mr. send our luv to you and the family. Hope all is well up north. We're starting the countdown to our Northern excursion. I keep thinking about them mountains. This year the peak should be great so I will be sending lot's of pics.
Hi to my friend Maui up there. Everyone is so scattered lately, I just don't see y'all that much. But I do think of you often.
According to a friend of 18 years whom (is) pure Polynesian, born and raised in the islands, not a transplant, she, upon getting a chuckle out all of the wife abuse accusations and your seemingly sour attitude of men, said, "Oh, she is just a mala wahine." I agree.
I doubt that you will find the slang in the books/sites you took time to wade through.
She told me to say, " Ikaika kanaka ho'omaka'u 'oe.." I agree again.
Before you jump on how I transcribe, she said it is often difficult to arrange words as in English writing. Of course she would know.
PS:
I told my wife to go do the dishes and make brownies while I handle a man's job.
posted on August 22, 2000 10:26:40 AM
Oh sgtpike, according to MY friend who is been in the islands 40 years (that's more than 18, by the way, lol) born and bred pure Hawaiian, there is NO such word as mala-wahine in the Hawaiian language. Perhaps it is a pidgin term that you have spelled wrong or something. Did your friend tell you to use the hyphen too?
Yawwwwwwwwwwwn.
I agree with Maui, this thread is dead as a doornail. Once again, sarge has countered the mass opinions that have ticked him with a feeble attempt at an off-topic attack. So predictable. So weak.
Do you happen to live in Thackerville, OK by chance?
maui
OH THAT book is great! I'm back, geez that was short! But had chance to read some, but mostly on a boat on the canals out there, and got burned like, ouch! big time. The sun was actually out in the North coast! It was fun. I just did this short 'vacation' cuz it will probably be one of the last times that my girls (18 & 19)and myself will do stuff like this together. Mopeds, boats, beach and I lost some $ at the damn casino! lol!
But great! book!!!!! and I came home to about 15 payments and now gotta pack and ship!
Well good luck sarge in whatever you and your wife are doing? in this auction that you think was unjust, unfair, or whatever!
krs
your my fav too!
[ edited by ShellyHerr on Aug 22, 2000 08:03 PM ]
posted on August 23, 2000 03:39:34 AM
Unfortunately, I feel that until you have absolute proof that the seller is misrepresenting the item, whether intentionally or unintentionally, you should make an attempt to resolve the situation honorable. It is not the seller's fault that your wife is a novice. Perhaps using I-escrow may be a solution. If you receive the item and after inspection by yourself and/or a knowledgeable source determine that the seller was fraudulent in his claim, you simply return the quilt. I travel to China periodically but am no expert on quilts. I have seen a number there covering a broad range of qualities and some are actully quite nice. I may be purchasing one on my next trip in September. Good luck and remember our justice system was founded on the principle that one is innocent until proven guilty.
posted on August 23, 2000 12:38:09 PM
The matter has been successfully concluded in our favor. The following summary of events regarding the incident is directed (mainly) at buyers.
-Regardless of terms instituted by seller and site, all terms are not always legally binding or realistic.
-Not asking questions before bidding on an "advertised" item is not always binding or practical.
-Selling on auction sites does not always allow the seller to operate under the guise of "garage sale" or "flea market" activity when in fact the activities involved are (actually) indicative of a "business."
-Certain terms and expectations cannot override consumer protection laws, state and federal, that apply to a "business."
-If a seller's activities (are) indicative of a "business," the seller is legally required to state certain information in his or her ad, especially when particular goods are being sold, especially when textiles are involved.
-Certain ad omissions and misleading information (can) be deemed to be illegal if seller is engaging in a "business."
-The term "Community" is propaganda and intended to overshadow individual thinking and intimidate buyers to accept terms and goods they should not, and to bow to "community" expectations.
My advice to buyers is not to be intimidated by unreasonable terms and expectations. Do not bow to the weight of opinions that are meant to embarrass you or make you believe you are violating some kind of (asinine) "village" principle that everyone else has agreed to live by.
The bottom line is, any auction site is nothing more than a venue you (buyers) are patronizing to make a purchase; nothing more. Your expectations should be the same as if you were shopping at a local store or ordering from a catalogue.
Additionally, you need to evaluate the terms and expectations found on the site and in the ads and ask yourself if you would condone the same from an "offline" business.
Familiarize yourself with consumer protection laws and take the time to file a complaint. If you advise a seller that he or she may be in violation and you will file a complaint, know what you are talking about and be prepared to (actually) follow through should the seller attempt to call your bluff.
If you always allow the fear of negative feedback and suspension/termination to intimidate you, you are and will remain vulnerable to being "ripped off" and taking the loss.
Certain terms or expectations are reasonable and should be honored. Additionally, it is unrealistic to expect sellers to include answers for every possible question that might be asked. In my case it was not a matter that my wife did not ask what the actual shade of the colors were, shipping cost, what is the stitch count. In her case, the seller, in my opinion, is selling items in a manner that constitutes a "business." As a business, certain laws regarding textiles apply regarding what must be in an ad, on a label, and what a particular absence of statement implies.
Businesses, offline, online, catalogues, etc., must state origin of manufacturer or simply state "imported." The absence of the foreign origin or the word "imported," is meant/allowed to imply the item is made in the USA. Not all goods fall under said requirement, textiles do. The FTC and other consumer protection agencies do not require consumers to ask. In fact, a very good explanation by the FTC interprets why a consumer should not be required to ask before making a purchase.
I consider that the reason I am seen as a violator of the "village" principle, an unrealistic principle, is because I am not a member of the "community." I am just a consumer and damn the "Hoyle" attitude.
After all that, if I understood it correctly.... I am not sure WHY you are bidding on online auctions
You or your wife, could probably have found a nice quilt at an antique store or somewhere else in RL brick and mortar where all the FTC etc is employed (though I am not saying it can't be on online auctions) you sound like you need to get out, and go buy one somewhere in the 'real world'. Glad you got it straightened out.
posted on August 23, 2000 12:57:35 PM
SgtMike said:
I consider that the reason I am seen as a violator of the "village" principle, an unrealistic principle, is because I am not a member of the "community."
Nonsense. Your tactless manner just rubs people the wrong way. They are often too busy reacting to HOW you say something to really listen objectively to WHAT you are saying. If you are really serious in accomplishing a change in people's attitudes, you have to start developing some tact in how you communicate, Mike.
posted on August 23, 2000 01:43:29 PM
What a lame crock of hooey, Mikey.
Do you even read what you write?
You object to any seeming online community yet you advocate a community of buyers separate from your perceived community of sellers.
That's nonsense as neither could exist without the other. Or are you attempting to organize a revolution as implied by "the times.........blah,blah"?
I challenge you to produce any citation in any code of federal regulations that pertains directly to your situation. You assume, without having received, that this in question quilt is made of a textile material which is subject to importation regulation, and you blather away based on your possibly erroneous assumption. Some quilts, imported or not are made entirely of man made materials and considering your demonstrated buying interest I have to think that you know that. The picture that you once published here which was supposedly of you, showed a somewhat diminuitive person dressed entirely in shiny polyester. Those clothing articles would be the sort one would expect to find a person who would purchase with all of this care a cheap chinese made quilted object choosing as clothing.
What in the world did you think you would get for $35.00? Betsy Ross's first attempt at a flag?
I suspect such a statement is a reaction to concern, a result of fear of the unknown and of what might exist. You know, like whistling in the dark; doing so might make you feel slightly better, but definitely would not frighten off the "bogeyman."
The provisions do exist. Anyone caring to find the answers can do so. Keep in mind, law is like putty. Certain laws may appear to be of one form but are capable of being shaped to fit many cracks.
However, before you can recognize and accept that particular statutes/codes do/can apply to certain sellers d/b/a on an auction site, you must first reprogram yourself to recognize what an auction site is, not what it was in the past, or what you prefer it to be.
Here is a challenge; rather than I flood the threads with the massive amount of regs and interpret how they apply, you can simplify the answer to your "hopeful" assertion. Find the most recent law(s) that state and exclude or defer or provide complete immunity to/for online auction sites, that sellers, regardless of activity, are excluded, that registered or implied businesses selling via an auction site are excluded, and that the intent of application does not apply in the interpretation of numerous stipulations.
"(a) The term ''person'' means an individual, a partnership, a corporation, an association , and ANY OTHER FORM OF INTERNET BUSINESS ENTERPRISE."
PS: It was not (just) $35.00, and the value or expenditure is irrelevant.
posted on August 23, 2000 03:49:27 PM
stockticker Your tactless manner just rubs people the wrong way. They are often too busy reacting to HOW you say something to really listen objectively to WHAT you are saying. If you are really serious in accomplishing a change in people's attitudes, you have to start developing some tact in how you communicate, Mike.
BRAVO!!!!! VERY well said! And you hit the nail dead on the head. Unfortunately the very nature of the beast will mandate that he ignore the reality of the words you shared and pass them off as just another ignoramus in his one-man world without using his God-given brain to think about the possibility that they might indeed be true words...and actually make a change in the abrasiveness.
But the words ARE perfect.
