posted on July 25, 2005 11:04:26 AM new
Quote: "But, you gotta watch out for those men in plain clothes wielding guns."
If you see someone with a gun in Britain, you can just about assume they are police. Gun licensing and restrictions are very severe.
The man spoke English, he was ordered to stop, but he ran onto a subway train wearing a heavy padded jacket. He might has well have yelled "shoot me". And they did.
posted on July 25, 2005 11:08:21 AM new
June 10, 2005
State Sponsored Civil War
Yesterday at a conference in Baghdad, Abdul Aziz al-Hakim, a prominent Shia leader who is also the head of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq announced, “In gratitude to the efforts, sacrifices and heroic positions of our brothers and brave sons from the Badr Organization.”
“We must give them the priority in bearing administrative and government responsibilities especially in the security field,” he added, while the “President” of Iraq, Jalal Talabani, listened on.
The Badr Organization (formerly known as the Badr Brigade) was formed by al-Hakim’s brother in the ‘80’s to fight Saddam Hussein. It has long since received funding and other “support” from Iran.
While civilians in Fallujah, Mosul, Ramadi, Baquba, Baghdad, Haditha and other cities in Iraq continue to complain of being beaten, looted and humiliated by the members of the Iraqi Army who are members of both the Badr Organization and Kurdish Peshmerga, these militias now have the overt backing of the interim Iraqi “government.”
It is also being reported that members of the Badr Organization, who are essentially running much of the “security” in southern Iraq at this point, have been instituting Sharia law. Thus, women are reporting being threatened with death or rape if they attend university, and more conservative clothing rules are being enforced.
Recently a Sunni cleric was assassinated in the south.
Harith al-Dhari, the head of the influential Sunni group the Association of Muslim Scholars (AMS), recently accused the Badr of killing members of the AMS, when he bluntly announced, “It is the Badr Brigades which is responsible for these killings.”
One of my Iraqi friends here in Amman recently told me that Sunni who live in the south are being pressured by members of the Badr Organization to relocate elsewhere. It should also be noted that the Badr came back to Iraq on the heels of the invaders.
“You and your (Kurdish) brothers are the heroes of liberating Iraq,” added Talabani at the aforementioned conference.
So we have the US-backed Iraqi “government” overtly (they have been doing this covertly for quite some time) pitting Shia and Kurdish militias against the primarily Sunni resistance. State sponsored/propagated civil war-although most Iraqis continue to fear and loath the idea, and so many Iraqi political and religious organizations continue to work tirelessly to avert the worsening of this now low-grade civil war.
Meanwhile, violence continues across Iraq. Car bombs are a daily occurrence, yet now we have seen motorcycle bombs, push-cart bombs, donkey bombs, donkey-cart bombs, dog bombs, human bombs, bicycle bombs and recently two Iraqi policemen dying from eating poisoned watermelon.
Roadside bombs continue to take their toll on US soldiers and are now the number one killer of occupation forces. At least 1,679 have died in Iraq since the invasion, along with roughly 100 times as many Iraqis.
I’ve been getting some interesting emails, indicative of sagging morale, from American’s serving or about to serve in Iraq, including vets...
One man who is a security contractor writes, “Many nationalitiess from the planet, many cowboys. I feel like Tonto. Some of these boys are psycho. Been there done that on the international radar.”
I received an email a ways back from a veteran who said, “I am a former soldier that does not agree with what is going on in Iraq. I do NOT agree with the current administration on most issues, but especially the way they are going about this illegal and immoral war.
I am deeply ashamed of what my country has done, and I am determined to do whatever I can to help those few brave reporters like yourself that are trying to uncover the truth to do so.”
Like many people, he assumed I am Iraqi because of my name, even though I’m 3rd generation Lebanese. He’d included some helpful information for me to use, then added,
“For what it is worth, I apologize for the actions of my country. I don't consider myself a traitor or unpatriotic, but what I am seeing is so very wrong on so many levels that it is really eating at me, so much so that I felt compelled to write you about what I know. I’m so very sorry...”
Another soldier who will be deployed to Iraq this summer said, “I personally believe it was the wrong war…we should have concentrated more on Afghanistan.”
I wrote him back and told him I honored his desire to serve his country, but wished he had better leadership than the current US administration who led the country into Iraq with lies. He responded,
“I feel honored to meet a great American like you. You know man, sometimes we guys feel betrayed by our own government. I personally signed up to serve my country not to serve any particular leader.”
Another US soldier in Iraq right now writes, “Do I think it (the war) was started for moral reasons? Of course not.”
posted on July 25, 2005 11:13:46 AM new
I agree....well said, maggie. And I do believe both #1 and #2 on your lists will be heeded by both sides.
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It's those who constantly bash those who are 'giving their all- putting their lives on the line each and every day to deal with these terroists- who are the ones that SICKEN ME.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on July 25, 2005 11:16:24 AM new
I agree LindaTwelvek you are sick
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Good post Maggie and the rest of the world KNEW all this would happen if Bush started a war in Iraq. His own father said it was a bad idea that would only make matters worse,,,,how right he was.
But Shithead , our president was too busy hearing voices from god and Rove telling him he was right and the rest of the world was wrong
posted on July 25, 2005 11:20:01 AM new
Isn't this country great, even people not in Iraq and in some anti-American country can have their stories posted here.
That is what I love about America, freedom to b*tch.
posted on July 25, 2005 11:20:37 AM new
Once again, mingotree/crowfarm appears EMBARASSED to post the link her long copy and paste came from.....a BLOGGER.....wonder whose side he's on?
url edited out per maggies request. But if you'd like to read MG/CF's anti-American policy blogger site just search on google for: "Dahr Jamail 2004, 2005 June 10, 2005" and it will come up.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
[ edited by Linda_K on Jul 25, 2005 02:52 PM ]
posted on July 25, 2005 11:24:35 AM new
Once again the "don't speak for me or tell me how I feel queen " tells how someomne else thinks or feels.....may I say DOUBLE STANDARD!
Yes I can.
And No, I wasn't embarrased, LindaTwelveK so YOUR crystal ball must've cracked when it saw your reflection.
posted on July 25, 2005 11:27:27 AM newthe rest of the world KNEW all this would happen if Bush started a war in Iraq.
What people like you ignore is that the attacks by these terrorists started in our country in 1993.....five attacks...count them.
Doing nothing didn't work....we're trying something different now....going after them.
This is a WAR crowfarm.....and our survival is at stake.
YOU can continue putting your ignorant head in the sand....but don't worry the American people are smart enough to see what you ignore....or support maybe even.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on July 25, 2005 11:29:10 AM new"1. it will serve as a warning to the terrorists that Britain's policy is "shoot to kill and..." " 2. And the Police will now use more caution."
Suicide bombers don't worry about a policy of "shoot to kill". Only the innocent who take the subway to work will worry about that policy.
And, I doubt that the group that is being identified now as "police" will use more caution. They've already issued warnings that there will be more incidents of this type.
British Islamic groups called for a public inquiry into the shooting, worried that the Asian ethnic origin of some of the bombers could see Muslims targeted by police... A fellow in the neighborhood said, "We're all suspects at the moment," he said. "If I were to put on an all black outfit and carry a rucksack, I'd probably get shot.
posted on July 25, 2005 11:31:38 AM new
crowfarm/MT
Are you Muslim?
Are you a radical Islamist?
Why do you side with the terrorists and blame OUR country for THEIR actions?
Would you like to live in the ME since you appear to hate American POLICY against terrorism? Policy that has been established by BOTH sides of the political aisle?
ARE YOU EVEN AN AMERICAN to begin with?
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on July 25, 2005 11:36:26 AM new
Just heard on the news about 30 minutes ago he was shot 8 times in the head. The extra 3 were to make sure he was dead.
And Bear, so you believe that anyone who points a gun and says they are a cop is a cop. And likewise anyone who sends you an email and says click here and sign onto eBay to update your information is eBay. Get real Bubba!!
posted on July 25, 2005 11:36:47 AM new
LindaTwelveK I knew you were lower than whale ship and as close to being the anti-christ as anyone but your
""YOU can continue putting your ignorant head in the sand....but don't worry the American people are smart enough to see what you ignore....
or support maybe even. """
is beyond the pale . Losing the argument? Fine But saying some one supports terrorism is only in your sick twisted nasty evil mind...
I know YOU aren't an American , you're a Fascist through and through....read up on them, Twelve, you'll find yourself looking in a mirror....try not to crack it.
posted on July 25, 2005 11:47:22 AM new
helen.....when I EVER see you bashing terrorism, rather than defending their actions while bashing our country....while bitching about how London is trying to handle their own terrorists.....born and raised there with the hatred to kill their own innocent citizens....
then I will see thing differently. Until then...this is no different in my eyes....than your giving lip service to our troops....
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on July 25, 2005 11:49:14 AM new
Mingo..let me try and understand your position.. and correct me if I have misinterpreted you...
you are against the "War in Iraq" and believe we were lied to about the reasons for the invasion..correct? You believe we should pull out of there and take our government to task, for their bad judgment and lies and or hidden agendas...right??
You are for the "war on terror" and want the people responsible for the 9/11 attacks to be brought to justice..right?
Now here is where I am fuzzy on where you stand..do you believe that we should go after all terrorist factions, or only after specific terrorists once they have attacked our country?
and lastly..it is obvious that you loath our President and his party..but do you honestly believe that the Democrats are not equally as corrupt and devious when in power?
Asked without rancor..just a dumb alligator hunter..looking for insight..and possibly too old to see all things as black or white as I once did.. thanks Maggie
posted on July 25, 2005 12:02:00 PM new "helen.....when I EVER see you bashing terrorism, rather than defending their actions while bashing our country....while bitching about how London is trying to handle their own terrorists.....born and raised there with the hatred to kill their own innocent citizens...."
You have NEVER seen me defend terrorism. I have not defended Bush's terrorism and I have not defended Al-Qaida terrorism or any other type of terrorism. I am in favor of PEACE. Under the dubious rubric of Democracy, your president has committed terror and created terrorists where none existed previously.
posted on July 25, 2005 12:10:31 PM new
helen....you and crowfarm both appear to have comprehension problems.
I haven't 'spoken' for either of you. I have posted MY take/MY opinions on how I see your posts. That is NOT speaking FOR you.
As I said, while I have continually read your posts that bash everything our country does....and complain about all the bad things we do, in your sorry mind, I have NEVER seen you post anything negative about the actions, murders, etc. the terrorists have done.
You always complain about what law-enforcements doing, what terrible things our soldiers have done....how many innocents they're killing....how terrible they're treating the inmates at Gitmo...I could go on FOREVER....
But NEVER any post about the terrorists who are creating all this havic around the world. NEVER.
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"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
[ edited by Linda_K on Jul 25, 2005 12:17 PM ]
posted on July 25, 2005 12:10:55 PM new
Whoa Maggie fair questions but I never said we shold pull out....we never should have gone in in the first place , now we have a LONG obligation to stay and die there.
""You believe we should pull out of there and take our government to task, for their bad judgment and lies and or hidden agendas...right?? ""
YES I do they should be held accountable for lying and hidden agendas, damn straight!!!!!!
"""You are for the "war on terror" and want the people responsible for the 9/11 attacks to be brought to justice..right? """
From what I know it was Osama Bin Laden NOT Hussein who's people (19 SAUDIS) were responsible for 9/11 .
""Now here is where I am fuzzy on where you stand..do you believe that we should go after all terrorist factions, or only after specific terrorists once they have attacked our country?""
We should fight terrorism. But not in a way that incites MORE terrorism. Just killing EVERYONE won't solve the problem.
YES, we should go after BIN LADEN the guy responsible and others BUT we are NOT as BUSH stated , the world police.
""and lastly..it is obvious that you loath our President and his party..but do you honestly believe that the Democrats are not equally as corrupt and devious when in power?""
No, I don't, a sex scandal hardly equates with killing and endangering our American agents by outing an undercover agent.
Are there corrupt Democrats, for sure , but this administration is one of the all time worst for lying, corruption that KILLS, and hidden agendas.
posted on July 25, 2005 12:20:52 PM new
By the way.....I'll ask once again....for any anti-Iraq war poster to give us a list of just which democrats in our Congress [both House and Senate] are in favor of withdrawing our troops now.
Helen and a couple of others think our being in Iraq or fighting a war against terrorism is the wrong thing to do.
But no one has been willing to inform us of just how much support that idea has from our Congress.
Imo, they're a tiny, tiny majority who are in total denial of what our country is facing.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on July 25, 2005 12:24:20 PM new"I haven't 'spoken' for either of you. I have posted MY take/MY opinions on how I see your posts. That is NOT speaking FOR you."
linda, comprehension is not your only problem. I could give you my "take" on your limitations but it would be too nasty to post here. Why don't you stick to the topic and I'll do the same. You seem to think that your evaluation of posters here will be accepted by readers of this board. But the truth is that when they see your vacuous posts, awful grammar and spelling, narrow thinking along with your failure to comprehend.....they discount all that you say about everything and everybody.
posted on July 25, 2005 12:29:54 PM new
Quote: "LindaTwelveK I knew you were lower than whale ship and as close to being the anti-christ as anyone but your
""YOU can continue putting your ignorant head in the sand....but don't worry the American people are smart enough to see what you ignore....
or support maybe even. """
is beyond the pale . Losing the argument? Fine But saying some one supports terrorism is only in your sick twisted nasty evil mind..."
I guess you think that accusing the republicans of flying planes into buildings is just innocent babbling. Get help mingoCF
You are sick.
posted on July 25, 2005 12:35:44 PM new
Mingo.. thank you for answering my questions. I stand corrected on you're wanting us to leave Iraq at the present time.
The only problem I have with your answers is when you say:
[i]We should fight terrorism. But not in a way that incites MORE terrorism Just killing EVERYONE won't solve the problem
YES, we should go after BIN LADEN the guy responsible and others BUT we are NOT as BUSH stated , the world police.[/i]
I don't understand how by going after terrorists, and rooting them out from where ever they are is inciting more terrorism..
see.. to me... to let them thrive and grow and multiply in numbers and to only go after them once they have attacked us is bad strategy.. stop them before they are able to attack.. is a better plan in my thinking..
But having said that, we can't do it alone..anyone who doesn't want to live their lives in constant fear of terrorists, should participate in their extermination..
posted on July 25, 2005 12:44:56 PM new
helen....same thing I told cheryl yesterday....the feelings are mutual.
One day you will wake up out of the 'cloud' your head survives in....come down to the reality of what America faces and see that being nice to terrorists/feeling so sorry or them/their plight, isn't going to stop them and begin to realize that your position on this subject is in an EXTREMELY small group of ultra/progressive/radical liberals.
Even ol' hillary, who will most likely be your nominee for the dem party....will be handling this the same way this President is.....continue fighting until the Iraqi's can take care of themselves. Anyone as extreme in thought as you.....would never be nominated by the dem party....not if they want a chance in h#ll of winning the WH back.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on July 25, 2005 12:54:26 PM new
just want to save this PRO-American post
helenjw - posted on July 25, 2005 12:02:00 PM
c&p'd me saying
"helen.....when I EVER see you bashing terrorism, rather than defending their actions while bashing our country....while bitching about how London is trying to handle their own terrorists.....born and raised there with the hatred to kill their own innocent citizens...."
helen replies: You have NEVER seen me defend terrorism. I have not defended Bush's terrorism and I have not defended Al-Qaida terrorism or any other type of terrorism. I am in favor of PEACE. Under the dubious rubric of Democracy, your president has committed terror and created terrorists where none existed previously.
Speak for yourself dummy.
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Oh yea.....we ALL know there were NO terrorists attacks against our interests, soldiers when clinton was in office. They only got angry with us eight months after we elected President Bush.
WHAT A LAUGH, HELEN.....DIDN'T THINK YOU WERE THAT STUPID.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
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