posted on July 25, 2005 04:41:33 PM new
Etex said, "Again, Helen, these are not suicide bombers. The only one killed was on the bus that had been delayed and diverted, and according to witnesses was apparently trying to reset or delay a timing device."
I said, Trust me, etex...Al Qaida is not slowing down their operation because London police have a shoot to kill policy. If you think so, you are seriously underestimating their resolve.
And the stated justification for shooting him five times in the head was that he might have a bomb on his body that he could detonate.
Etex replies, "Yep. Apparently, that's the policy."
Yep. Makes me wonder if you know what you are saying.
posted on July 25, 2005 04:43:59 PM newhelen would rather we coddle the terrorists....understand why they hate us....and then fire her anger, not at them, but at those trying to protect us.
Helen, I suppose Linda would rather follow Ann Coulter's method of fighting a war:
"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war."
It is nice to know that one extreme right-winged pyscho supports the other.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
posted on July 25, 2005 04:47:54 PM new
That's difficult for you to understand Helen?
And all the time I thought you were a little smarter that mingo/CF. And you failed to quote the rest of the post.
A little reading comprehension class might be helpful.
[ edited by etexbill on Jul 25, 2005 04:49 PM ]
posted on July 25, 2005 04:55:07 PM new
I watched a program last night....talk show setup...and they were discussing how the UK is talking about Muslim clerics that are preaching this hatred should be deported.
I'd like to see that....and I'd support the same thing being done in this country.
When UK citizens are killing other UK citizens....and it's all based on the hatred their religion teaches them....it's time for their cleric leaders to either speak out AGAINST this terrorism.....or to be removed from their country. And again, I'd support the same thing being done here.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on July 25, 2005 05:06:10 PM new
Answer this question with logic if you can: If this guy was a suicide bomber, why would he risk his mission by running from the police when there was every bit a chance that he would be shot dead before he got to detonate anything? Would he not have detonated there on the spot to take out as many people as he could? It doesn't make sense that he'd run on a hope and a prayer that the police wouldn't stop him in his tracks.
This is going to stop suicide bombers? Ya, right it will. They blow themselves up for Christ's sake. Do you think they care if there's a shoot to kill policy? They're going to die anyway. You guys are living in a fantasy world.
You people would support the same thing here? Would you say that if this was your son or your daughter that was shot and killed based on nothing more than they way they dressed or acted? You'd go on your merry way and say he or she deserved it? If so, thank God none of you are a parent of mine.
Cheryl
[ edited by cblev65252 on Jul 25, 2005 05:06 PM ]
If this guy was a suicide bomber and the police shoot him in the head (as opposed to the chest or legs) because they did not want the bomb to go off. How do the police know that the bomb would not have gone off the minute this guy fell to the ground? How do they know this bomb would not have been set off by impact?
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
posted on July 25, 2005 05:23:47 PM new
It is my understanding that the UK took their 'terrorist fighting' training from how Israel has handled terrorists.
The rule is....if you believe they are about to blow themselves or anyone else up...you shoot to kill/to prevent them from killing others. AND you shoot for the head....to take them out.
The UK has decided to use this method in defending themselves.....and yes, IF we EVER have US citizens killing other US citizens...I'd support this method in a heartbeat.
THis is WAR....and we'd better be planning on winning it.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on July 25, 2005 05:28:54 PM new
You didn't answer my question. Would you feel the same way had it been your son or daughter shot and killed in this manner for no other reason than they way they dressed or acted?
posted on July 25, 2005 05:31:24 PM new "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity." And linda says, "When UK citizens are killing other UK citizens....and it's all based on the hatred their religion teaches them....it's time for their cleric leaders to either speak out AGAINST this terrorism.....or to be removed from their country. And again, I'd support the same thing being done here."
Why don't you make that Ann Coulter quote
your signature line, linda? It would fit with your plan to threaten religious leaders with exile if they refuse to say what you want them to say.
posted on July 25, 2005 05:34:37 PM new
LOL...I haven't??? Well...you NEVER answer mine.
What you refuse to see, cheryl, is what MANY here have tried to explain to you.
HE, the murder victim, could have lived had he made other choices.
MY son wouldn't be wearing a HEAVY WINTER COAT when it's 84 degrees outside.
MY son wouldn't have ran when he was told to stop.
MY son wouldn't have acted supecious and RAN AWAY and jumped over the rails to get into the train station.
ESPECIALLY right after a very serious BOMBING had taken place and 50 + people were murdered.....and he could easily SEE the police out in force attemping to prevent more bombing from happening.
In other words cheryl....MY son wouldn't have died....because he'd have been smart enough to act differently than this guy did.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on July 25, 2005 05:44:08 PM new
See what I mean, helen. How you twist what others say...and make it totally different. shame on you
I copied your entire quote, linda just as you wrote it in this thread.
Here it is again....You said,"When UK citizens are killing other UK citizens....and it's all based on the hatred their religion teaches them....it's time for their cleric leaders to either speak out AGAINST this terrorism.....or to be removed from their country. And again, I'd support the same thing being done here."
Clearly, You are advocating the exile of religious leaders who refuse to say what you want them to say.
posted on July 25, 2005 05:49:51 PM new
Boy you're so slow helen.....
IF a group of religious leaders in the US was supporting and encouraging the MURDERS of innocent civilians, here in the US, I think MOST American's would be calling for their deportation.
Of course, you'd support their free hatred speech encouraging them, in the name of freedom of speech, to carry out these MURDERS.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on July 25, 2005 05:51:55 PM new
It is nice to see Linda has the perfect "innocent" son.
Next she will say her son doesn't drink or do drugs.
I suppose Linda's son tells his mommy everything.
I suppose Linda will also say no innocent people have been sentenced to death or are in prison.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
----------------------------------
President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
posted on July 25, 2005 05:52:13 PM new
kind of like inciting a riot...helen...or screaming 'fire' in a theatre....people get arrested for those actions.
let alone these clerics are encouraging them to MURDER people...their own countrymen.
Somethings REALLY wrong with you helen.....extremely distorted thinking about 'right and wrong'.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on July 25, 2005 05:54:05 PM newThe rule is....if you believe they are about to blow themselves or anyone else up...you shoot to kill/to prevent them from killing others. AND you shoot for the head....to take them out.
And at the same time while they are shooting people in the head to prevent the bomb from going off, it does just that and explodes and still kills a good amount of people that are in the vacinity of the suspect.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
----------------------------------
President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
posted on July 25, 2005 06:06:46 PM new
Like I've already said, helen....your sense of 'right and wrong'....good vs evil, if you will....is REALLY screwed up.
There is a HUGE difference between just hating other people [for whatever reason, and saying so]. But preaching/calling for their deaths because you don't agree with them politically or religiously is what they're facing in the UK right now.
And I said IF we ever face that here....where religous leaders are promoting the death of any other US citizen....then YES....I'd support deporting them.
Guess having it proved that you lied today has upset you and you just can't comprehend what ANYONE has said to you.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on July 25, 2005 06:06:54 PM newSomethings REALLY wrong with you helen.....extremely distorted thinking about 'right and wrong'.
Hey Linda, are you also going to speak out against Ann Coulter and her quote:
My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building.
She would rather see fellow journalists killed simply because she dislikes them. Now there is a person that has it all together.
Don't like the above quote Linda, how about this one:
"The FBI allowed thousands of Americans [in the WTC] to be slaughtered on the altar of political correctness. What more do liberals want?"
This Whistle-Blower They Like, June 13, 2002
Nice to see how Ann thinks the FBI allowed the killing of almost 3000 people.
I am glad to see Ann Coulter really supports our troops:
"People like you caused us to lose the war." (to a disabled Vietnam Veteran)
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
----------------------------------
President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
posted on July 25, 2005 06:16:15 PM new
No, the fact that I forgot editing two posts has no bearing on my comment to you.
From your quote on this page (6) the fifth post from the top You said, ]"When UK citizens are killing other UK citizens....and it's all based on the hatred their religion teaches them....it's time for their cleric leaders to either speak out AGAINST this terrorism.....or to be removed from their country. And again, I'd support the same thing being done here." <end quote>.
That's bizarre, Linda...to suggest that religious leaders should be exiled because they won't say what you think they should say.
posted on July 25, 2005 06:24:17 PM new
Only in YOUR mind, helen....only in your mind.
to most "normal" people.....a muslim cleric denouncing these acts of terrorism/murder against innocents is what is not only appropriate....but called for in this situation. The leaders should be condemning these murders....not supporting them. Or complaining that muslims are being 'picked' on. It's their religion that teaches this hate.
Something about that you don't get for some reason? Or are you a Muslim radical too?
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
"My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building.
"The FBI allowed thousands of Americans [in the WTC] to be slaughtered on the altar of political correctness. What more do liberals want?"
"People like you caused us to lose the war." (to a disabled Vietnam Veteran)
These quuotes were made by someone that you admire so much that you have made another quote your signature line. Are you embarrassed to know that Ann Coulter made these quotes?
posted on July 25, 2005 06:31:16 PM new
Oh....so now you're going to change the subject too. Refusing to answer why you'd support muslim clerics call for the murder of innocent people in their own country.
Wake up call helen.....the UK and it's LIBERAL leaders are considering just such a move. And as I said....it we have any of this crap happen in our country....I'll support their deportation in a heartbeat.
YOU, meanwhile can post bail for them....you're always so supporting of their side....not our own.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on July 25, 2005 06:39:00 PM new "Oh....so now you're going to change the subject too. Refusing to answer why you'd support muslim clerics call for the murder of innocent people in their own country."
Where in the world did you get the idea that Muslim clerics in London had called for the murder of innocent people in their own country? Do you have a link to that????
You are changing your story. First, you were upset because the Clerics failed to speak out against terrorism. Now, you say that they called for the murder of innocent people in their country.
I don't believe that the Muslim religion teaches hate. Nearly every religion in the world has as it's basis the goal to encourage moral behavior. The ten commandments is not exclusive to Christianity. You saw the TV program. Why don't you tell us the reasoning that the Muslim clerics gave for their reluctance to discuss the topic of terrorism in their church.
posted on July 25, 2005 06:41:39 PM newWe're discussing the UK's POLICY on 'shoot to kill' and how the life of an innocent man was accidently taken.
Yes I am quite aware what we are discussing
I am just pointing how you are quick to jump on Helen for her views but yet you love the same views when they are expressed by Ann Coulter. Now that is being a hyprocrite.
The leaders should be condemning these murders....not supporting them.
And when religious leaders denouce a war that was based on lies and in which thousands of innocent people are killed, you call them Un-American.
You only agree with the religious people and what they tell people when it agrees with your agenda, Linda.
It's their religion that teaches this hate.
You say this and speak out against the Muslim religious leaders that preach hate, but yet you are the one that does not speak out against those religious leaders that preach hate against minority groups here in the USA. In fact I think you support them because it agrees with your views. Where does the Christian religion or any other Non Muslim religion that is taught here in the USA teach hate?
Linda you are such a bigot. You and Ann Coulter are two peas in a pod. Both of you are such extreme right wing lunatics.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
----------------------------------
President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
posted on July 25, 2005 06:44:16 PM newI'll support their deportation in a heartbeat.
Did you also support the USA locking up Japanese Americans shortly after the bombing of Pearl Harbor?
Your remark just shows how you would rather live in a dictatorship than a democracy.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
----------------------------------
President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
