wow, I think I skimmed through this thread.
What can we do about the British police? We are in the U.S. if this is their policy, there is nothing we can do
But, reading what happened, I think I'd tend to agree with the policy in England, if I were a citizen there.
posted on July 25, 2005 11:40:26 PM
LindaTwelveK says, """"And I don't have to 'carry' my keyboard from room to room....I have three sets. Just so I can keep tabs on your daily support of our enemies and point out to you just how misguided you are, helen."""
posted on July 26, 2005 09:29:50 AM
From an email that I received today.
This fits right in:
HISTORY TEST
Please pause a moment, reflect back, and take the following multiple choice
test. The events are actual cuts from past history. They actually happened!!!
Do you remember?
-1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by
a. Superman
b. Jay Lenno
c. Harry Potter
d. Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40
1. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and
massacred by
a. Olga Corbett
b. Sitting Bull
c. Arnold Schwarzenegger
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
2. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by:
a. Lost Norwegians
b. Elvis
c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
3.During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in
Lebanon by:
a. John Dillinger
b. The King of Sweden
c. The Boy Scouts
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
4. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
a. A pizza delivery boy
b. Pee Wee Herman
c. Geraldo Rivera
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
5. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70
year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his
wheelchair by:
a. The Smurfs
b. Davy Jones
c. The Little Mermaid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
6.In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a US Navy
diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by:
a. Captain Kidd
b. Charles Lindberg
c. Mother Teresa
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
7.In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
a. Scooby Doo
b. The Tooth Fairy
c. Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
8. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:
a. Richard Simmons
b. Grandma Moses
c. Michael Jordan
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
9.In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
a. Mr. Rogers
b. Hillary Clinton, to distract attention from Wild Bill' s women
problems
c. The World Wrestling Federation
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
10.On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as
missiles to take out the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers.Thousands of people were killed by:
a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd
b. The Supreme Court of Florida
c. Mr. Bean
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
11.In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:
a. Enron
b. The Lutheran Church
c. The NFL
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
12. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:
a. Bonnie and Clyde
b. Captain Kangaroo
c. Billy Graham
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
Nope, .I really don't see a pattern here to justify profiling, do
you?
So, to ensure we Americans never offend anyone, particularly
fanatics intent on killing us, airport security screeners will no longer be
allowed to profile certain people. They must conduct random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots with proper identification, secret agents
who are members of the President's security detail, 85-year old Congressmen with
metal hips, and Medal of Honor winning and former Governor Joe Foss, but
leave Muslim Males between the ages 17 and 40 alone because of profiling.
Let's send this to as many people as we can so that the Gloria
Aldreds and other dunder-headed attorneys along with Federal Justices that
want to thwart common sense, feel doubly ashamed of themselves - if they have
any such sense.
As the writer of the award winning story "Forrest Gump" so aptly
put it, "Stupid is as stupid does."
posted on July 26, 2005 09:32:00 AM
I think we should be a lot kinder to LindaTwelveK. I for one will try.....I had no idea how deep her psychosis was or how far it had progressed. I promise to be a lot more gentle with her, well... I'll try anyway.
posted on July 26, 2005 09:42:55 AM
This was for the ones who were against a personal search, and it's implications, mingo. I figured you would be the first not to see it. Remember the "cavity search" post.
You are really dense, or do you not read the entire thread before you reply with your drivel.
posted on July 26, 2005 09:51:28 AM
Dear stupid is etexPill says,""This was for the ones who were against a personal search, and it's implications, mingo. I figured you would be the first not to see it. Remember the "cavity search" post.
You are really dense, or do you not read the entire thread before you reply with your drivel.""
Now would you like to tell me what that has to do with MY post....I'll tell you clearly NOTHING.
Read my post again and again and again and maybe you will see NO connection with anything other than your latest "profiling " post...Try harder, I'm sure you can do it.
In this post refuting Tom Friedman's allegation, Juan Cole has posted various statements by Muslim world leaders and clerics condemning Osama Bin Laden and terrorist attacks.
posted on July 26, 2005 11:11:17 AMI think we should be a lot kinder to LindaTwelveK. I for one will try.....I had no idea how deep her psychosis was or how far it had progressed. I promise to be a lot more gentle with her, well... I'll try anyway.
It only took how many suspensions as Craw to learn that?
Then you blow it by going off on ETex.
Near, somehow I keep wanting to call Mingo, DingoP.
Finally in a email I received today:
To get out of a difficulty, one usually must go through it. Our country is now facing the most serious threat to its existence, as we know it, that we have faced in your lifetime and mine (which includes WWII).
The deadly seriousness is greatly compounded by the fact that there are very few of us who think we can possibly lose this war and even fewer who realize what losing really means.
First, let's examine a few basics:
1. When did the threat to us start? Many will say September 11th,
2001. The answer as far as the United States is concerned is
_1979,_ 22 years prior to September 2001, with the following attacks on us: Iran Embassy Hostages, 1979; Beirut, Lebanon Embassy 1983; Beirut, Lebanon Marine Barracks 1983; Lockerbie, Scotland Pan-Am flight to New York 1988; First New York World Trade Center attack
1993; Dhahran, Saudi Arabia Khobar Towers Military complex 1996; Nairobi, Kenya US Embassy 1998; Dar es Salaam, Tanzania US Embassy 1998; Aden, Yemen USS Cole 2000; New York World Trade Center 2001; Pentagon 2001. (_Note that during the period from 1981 to 2001 there were 7,581 terrorist attacks worldwide).
_
2. Why were we attacked? Envy of our position, our success, and our freedoms. The attacks happened during the administrations of Presidents Carter, Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton and Bush 2. We cannot fault either the Republicans or Democrats as there were no provocations by any of the presidents or their immediate predecessors, Presidents Ford or Carter.
3. Who were the attackers? In each case, the attacks on the US were carried out by Muslims.
4. What is the Muslim population of the World? 25%
5. Isn't the Muslim _Religion_ peaceful? Wishfully, but no & that is really not material. There is no doubt that the predominately Christian population of Germany was peaceful, but under the dictatorial leadership of Hitler (who was also a 'professed' Christian), that made no difference. You either went along with the administration or you were eliminated. _There were 5 to 6 million Christians killed by the_ _Nazis for political reasons (including
7,000 Polish priests)._
(see http://www.nazis.testimony.co.uk/7-a.htm <http://www.nazis.testimony.co.uk/7-a.htm>.
Thus, almost the same number of Christians were killed by the Nazis, as the 6 million holocaust Jews who were killed by them, and _we seldom heard of anything other than the Jewish atrocities_. Although Hitler kept the world focused on the Jews, he had no hesitancy about killing _anyone_ who got in his way of exterminating the Jews _or_ of taking over the world - German, Christian or any others. Same with the Muslim terrorists. They focus the world on the US, but kill all in the way - their own people or the Spanish, French or anyone else. The point here is that just like the peaceful Germans were of no protection to anyone from the Nazis, no matter how many peaceful Muslims there may be, they are no protection for us from the terrorist Muslim leaders and what they are fanatically bent on doing - by their own pronouncements - killing all of us "infidels". I don't blame the peaceful Muslims. What would you do if the choice was shut up or die?
6. So who are we at war with? There is no way we can honestly respond that it is anyone other than the Muslim terrorists. Trying to be politically correct and avoid verbalizing this conclusion can well be fatal. There is no way to win if you don't clearly recognize and articulate who you are fighting.
So with that background, now to the two major questions:
1. Can we lose this war?
2. What does losing really mean?
If we are to win, we must clearly answer these two pivotal questions.
We can definitely lose this war, and as anomalous as it may sound, the major reason we can lose is that _so many of us simply do not_ fathom the answer to the second question - What does losing mean?
It would appear that a great many of us think that losing the war means hanging our heads, bringing the troops home and going on about our business, like post Vietnam. This is as far from the truth as one can get. *_What losing really means is:_*
We would no longer be the premier country in the world. The attacks will not subside, but rather will steadily increase. Remember, they want us dead, not just quiet. If they had just wanted us quiet, they would not have produced an increasing series of attacks against us, over the past 18 years. The plan was clearly, for terrorist to attack us, until we were neutered and submissive to them.
We would of course have no future support from other nations, for fear of reprisals and for the reason that they would see, we are impotent and cannot help them.
They will pick off the other non-Muslim nations, one at a time. It will be increasingly easier for them. They already hold Spain hostage. It doesn't matter whether it was right or wrong for Spain to withdraw its troops from Iraq. Spain did it because the Muslim terrorists bombed their train and told them to withdraw the troops. Anything else they want Spain to do, will be done. _Spain is finished.
_
The next will probably be France. Our one hope on France is that they might see the light and realize that if we don't win, they are finished too, in that they can't resist the Muslim terrorists without us. However, it may already be too late for France. France is already 20% Muslim and fading fast!
If we lose the war, our production, income, exports and way of life will all vanish as we know it. After losing, who would trade or deal with us, if they were threatened by the Muslims. If we can't stop the Muslims, how could anyone else? The Muslims fully know what is riding on this war, and therefore are completely committed to winning, at any cost. We better know it too and be likewise committed to winning at any cost.
Why do I go on at such lengths about the results of losing? Simple. Until we recognize the costs of losing, we cannot unite and really put 100% of our thoughts and efforts into winning. _And it is going to take that 100% effort to win.
_
So, how can we lose the war? Again, the answer is simple. We can lose the war by " _imploding"._ That is, defeating ourselves by refusing to recognize the enemy and their purpose, and really digging in and lending full support to the war effort. If we are united, there is no way that we can lose. _If we continue to be divided, there is no way that we can win!
_
Let me give you a few examples of how we simply don't comprehend the life and death seriousness of this situation.
- President Bush selects Norman Mineta as Secretary of Transportation. Although all of the terrorist attacks were committed by Muslim men between 17 and 40 years of age, Secretary Mineta refuses to allow profiling. Does that sound like we are taking this thing seriously? This is war! For the duration, we are going to have to give up some of the civil rights, we have become accustomed to. We had better be prepared to lose some of our civil rights temporarily or we will most certainly lose all of them permanently.
And don't worry that it is a slippery slope. We gave up plenty of civil rights during WWII, and immediately restored them after the victory and in fact added many more since then. Do I blame President Bush or President Clinton before him? _ No, I blame us_ for blithely assuming we can maintain all of our Political Correctness, and all of our civil rights during this conflict and have a clean, lawful, honorable war. None of those words apply to war. Get them out of your head.
- Some have gone so far in their criticism of the war and/or the Administration that it _almost_ seems _they would literally like to see us lose._ I hasten to add that this isn't because they are disloyal. It is because they just don't recognize what losing means. Nevertheless, that conduct gives the impression to the enemy that we are divided and weakening, it concerns our friends, and it does great damage to our cause.
- Of more recent vintage, the uproar fueled by the politicians and media regarding the treatment of some prisoners of war, perhaps exemplifies best what I am saying. We have recently had an issue, involving the treatment of a few Muslim prisoners of war, by a small group of our military police. These are the type prisoners who just a few months ago were throwing their own people off buildings, cutting off their hands, cutting out their tongues and otherwise murdering their own people just for disagreeing with Saddam Hussein. And just a few years ago these same type prisoners chemically killed 400,000 of their ow n people for the same reason. They are also the same type enemy fighters, who recently were burning Americans, and dragging their charred corpses through the streets of Iraq. And still more recently, the same type enemy that was and is providing videos to all news sources internationally, of the beheading of American prisoners they held. Compare this with some of our press and politicians, who for several days have thought and talked about nothing else but the "humiliating" of some Muslim prisoners - not burning them, not dragging their charred corpses through the streets, not beheading them, _but "humiliating" them_.* !?!?!?* Can this be for real? The politicians and pundits have even talked of impeachment of the Secretary of Defense. If this doesn't show the complete lack of comprehension and understanding of the seriousness of the enemy we are fighting, the life and death struggle we are in and the disastrous results of losing this war, nothing can. To bring our country to a virtual political standstill over this prisoner issue makes us look like Nero playing his fiddle as Rome burned - totally oblivious to what is going on in the real world. Neither we, nor any other country, can survive this internal strife. Again I say, this does not mean that some of our politicians or media people are disloyal. It simply means that they are absolutely oblivious to the magnitude, of the situation we are in and into which the Muslim terrorists have been pushing us, for many years. Remember, the Muslim terrorists stated goal is to kill all infidels! That translates into all non-Muslims - not just in the United States, but throughout the world. _We are the last bastion of defense.
_
We have been criticized for many years as being 'arrogant'. That charge is valid in at least one respect. We are arrogant in that we believe that we are so good, powerful and smart, that we can win the hearts and minds of all t hose who attack us, and that with both hands tied behind our back, we can defeat anything bad in the world! We can't! If we don't recognize this, our nation as we know it will not survive, and no other free country in the World will survive if we are defeated. And finally, name any Muslim countries throughout the world that allow freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of religion, freedom of the Press, equal rights for anyone - let alone everyone, equal status or any status for women, or that have been productive in one single way that contributes to the good of the world.
This has been a long way of saying that we must be united on this war or we will be equated in the history books to the self-inflicted fall of the Roman Empire. If, that is, the Muslim leaders will allow history books to be written or read.
If we don't win this war right now, keep a close eye on how the Muslims take over France in the next 5 years or less. They will continue to increase the Muslim population of France and continue to encroach little by little, on the established French traditions. The French will be fighting among themselves, over what should or should not be done, which will continue to weaken them and keep them from any united resolve. Doesn't that sound eerily familiar?
Democracies don't have their freedoms taken away from them by some external military force. Instead, they give their freedoms away,
*_politically correct piece by politically correct piece_*. And they are giving those freedoms away to those who have shown, worldwide, that they abhor freedom and will not apply it to you or even to themselves, once they are in power. They have universally shown that when they have taken over, they then start brutally killing each other over who will be the few who control the masses. Will we ever stop hearing from the politically correct, about the "peaceful Muslims"?
I close on a hopeful note, by repeating what I said above. If we are united, there is no way that we can lose. I hope now after the election, the factions in our country will begin to focus on the critical situation we are in, and will unite to save our country. It is your future we are talking about! Do whatever you can to preserve it.
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After reading the above, we all must do this not only for ourselves, but our children, our grandchildren, our country and the world. There are those that find fault with our country, but it is obvious to anyone who truly thinks through this, that we_ must UNITE_ whether Democrat or Republican, conservative or liberal and that includes the Politicians and media of our country and the free world! Please forward this to any you feel may want to read it. Our "leaders" in Congress ought to read it,
A word to the wise ain't necessary, it's the stupid ones that need the advice."
- Bill Cosby
posted on July 26, 2005 11:23:11 AM
Reminds me of that old Meow Mix commercial....instead of Meow meow meow it goes blah , blah ,blah, blah blah blah, BLAH blah blah
posted on July 26, 2005 11:54:17 AM
Actually.. that web TV sounds interesting.
Wireless, so I could sit in bed at night before going to sleep and play on line..
I will have to look into this..of course using a wireless laptop would be the same, right?
When the service repair man was here yesterday, he told me that I could buy a router and put a wireless card in my old computer and then I could hook up a new computer on the modem and not need a modem in any of the other rooms...now..what would stop everyone with a wireless computer from accessing my connection????
posted on July 26, 2005 12:37:40 PM
People like helen are pitiful, imo. They will support and argue for any one other than their own country. Their own country....they continually bash.
Anyone who wishes to see that there are hundreds of muslim clerics that have called for jihad's against not only our country...but many others can check out for themselves. helen and her ilk can remain in their personal denial.
This past week I read an article that said the Canadian muslims had met with the Canadian government to express their concerns on how muslims were being treated there. One muslim said they won't/don't have any control over the action of their 'young muslim men and their anger'. Like of like giving the Canadian government a warning that if changes aren't made.....they won't be able to control what their young men decided to do about it.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on July 26, 2005 12:43:12 PM
NearTheSea - I often wonder what happened to all those people!)
helen ran them off. lol
Seriously....when the change happened they all split to many different chat sites....some to the EZboards....a lot to OTWA. I miss [i]some[i] very much. But I'm glad you've hung around.
posted on July 26, 2005 12:47:13 PM "There is a difference to most when those clerics are calling for/supporting terrorists and their deadly deeds."
You can't paint all Muslims with the same radical right brush work, linda. You must have missed this post. It's false that all Muslim clerics support terrorists. Most do not.
In this post refuting Tom Friedman's allegation, Juan Cole has posted various statements by Muslim world leaders and clerics condemning Osama Bin Laden and terrorist attacks.
It's people like you who are pitiful. Pathetic is an appropriate description of your efforts to distort and lie about everyone's position and every issue under consideration. Bug off, old fart.
posted on July 26, 2005 12:55:46 PM
LOL....helen you REALLY are going to have to brush up on your comprehension skills.....they're severely warped.
I understand it bothers you that I posted a link so OTHERS can form their own opinions about the muslim clerics WHO ARE calling for jihads/holy wars against us and others.
But you're just going to have to learn to deal with that fact.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on July 26, 2005 02:43:31 PM "I understand it bothers you that I posted a link so OTHERS can form their own opinions about the muslim clerics WHO ARE calling for jihads/holy wars against us and others. "
Linda, OTHERS can google without your help and I am equally sure that they can form their own opinions without your help. In fact, they would be well advised to form their opinion without your help since your thoughts are so distorted.
As you can see if you check my links, I have offered substantial proof that most Muslims are not as you have attempted to protray them. I realize that in order to protect your mental equilibrium you try to avoid new ideas or information that doesn't jive with your narrow minded Fox indoctrinated nazi like viewpoint. When you made the following statement you revealed a lot about how you think.
You said, <quote>"When UK citizens are killing other UK citizens....and it's all based on the hatred their religion teaches them....it's time for their cleric leaders to either speak out AGAINST this terrorism.....or to be removed from their country. And again, I'd support the same thing being done here." <end quote>
That hate filled statement is unamerican.
With the terrorists that we are dealing with today, to determine the cause you need to examine foreign policy rather than try to blame the church.
BTW...Why do you begin every post with LOL? It appears to be a nervous tic.
posted on July 26, 2005 02:59:18 PM
Oh helen....short term memory loss, AGAIN?? LOL
I've explained it many times before....when I post LOL or it's because I'm laughing at something said. I found it laughable.....like your ranting and raving all because I posted a different view on what some muslim clerics ARE DOING. Makes you SO ANGRY to be proven WRONG....INCORRECT....to have YOUR opinion show to not be the case. LOL Too bad....they're the ones blowing up towers.....they're the ones murdering people with bombs....they're the ones calling for a holy war/jihad on us and other countries.
Again, I know it bothers you that I posted that link.....TOO BAD....YOU don't control what I post. Remember?
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
[ edited by Linda_K on Jul 26, 2005 03:14 PM ]
posted on July 26, 2005 03:24:49 PM
Bear, you have my permission to call Mingo, Dingo
Linda! Yeah I knew that a lot were at OTWA and the EZ boards, but today, blew me away, I get
an email from EZ boards, saying the Ross Show had moved! I haven't posted there in sooo long, and its partly because I forgot my password
So Ross, if you ever read here, I got a 'Ross Moved' link too
I went there, it was pretty humorous! Woaw gonna bookmark that one LOL!
maggie, I think the web tv and wireless keyboard is pretty cool too.
About wireless and other people accessing it, I don't know. I'm sure there are more fire walls and security you can put on it.
posted on July 26, 2005 04:10:38 PMI've explained it many times before....when I post LOL or it's because I'm laughing at something said. I found it laughable.....
I already know that. Each time I posted the stats of the dead or injured American troops it sent Linda_k on the floor laughing at just the mere thought of it. It cracked her right up and she'd go over the edge and just lose it completely for the rest of the day LOLing her head off with every post.
When UK citizens are killing other UK citizens....and it's all based on the hatred their religion teaches them....it's time for their cleric leaders to either speak out AGAINST this terrorism.....or to be removed from their country. And again, I'd support the same thing being done here.
Yes, definitely another of her hate-filled unamerican rantings where she only has one distorted view of all and profiles everyone to a set image in her narrow mind. Pitiful and very sad.
posted on July 26, 2005 04:51:16 PMFDR did and so did the American people. Desperate times cause desparate measures. That lesson is being learned in London. See
If it was so right to do what they did, then what did the US Government apologize in the 1980's and pay reparations.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
[ edited by logansdad on Jul 26, 2005 04:53 PM ]
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it's because I'm laughing at something said. I found it laughable.....like your ranting and raving all because I posted a different view on what some muslim clerics ARE DOING. Makes you SO ANGRY to be proven WRONG....INCORRECT....to have YOUR opinion show to not be the case. LOL Too bad....they're the ones blowing up towers.....they're the ones murdering people with bombs....they're the ones calling for a holy war/jihad on us and other countries.
