Capriole
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posted on September 28, 2000 07:32:40 PM new
The Auctionwatch Consumer Fraud Legal Defense Fund!!!!!!!
Where can I send my buck?
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rosiebud
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posted on September 28, 2000 07:50:12 PM new
Hmmm, INV eh?
INV = inventions ~ we invent more provances and masterpieces before breakfast than most people can do in an entire lifetime
INV = inventories ~ largest inventory of self authenticated masterpieces anywhere!
INV = I No Vince (heck spelling errors are very popular in the last thread so I thought they might carry over.. lol)
Anyone else have any ideas?
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SilkMoth
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posted on September 28, 2000 08:51:58 PM new
The INV of smooth-talking salespeople everywhere...
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not SilkMoth anywhere but here
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oregoninwinter
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posted on September 28, 2000 08:59:25 PM new
How about INV = invertibrate
...or maybe it's really backwards...."very nasty individual".
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njrazd
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posted on September 28, 2000 10:22:41 PM new
Oh Weldon...and I know you're reading this...how about INV = Investigations. You know, like what the FBI conducts when they think there is national and/or international fraud going on?
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That's Flunky Gerbiltush to you!
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mro
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posted on September 28, 2000 10:46:04 PM new
In the Tatler article the auction manager at OAS states "We also recently had a gentleman interested in selling a watercolor by Paul Cezanne on our site". More fun to follow.
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abacaxi
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posted on September 29, 2000 04:07:59 AM new
HCQ -
So Wendell Fargo was NOT who he claimed to be. What a surprise. SAVE Ms. Rewald's email to you so that a header comparison can be done if this goes anywhere. Even knowing which address it was sent to, it is a very tricky job to forge headers ... those pesky computers have a tendency to insert strange numbers into the strings.
Pooh! on the Cezanne. I'm holding out for the Manet.
Wendell Fargo -
Email me: [email protected] and I will send you my lawyer's name and address as well as the correct name to file whatever lawsuit you and your landshark think you can make stick. BTW - ridicule and derision are not grounds for a lawsuit.
Using the internet for fraud is not a good idea because federal wire fraud statutes apply, as the seller of the phony Diebenkorn painting found out, and the FBI has jurisdiction.
Rosie -
GREAT SITE ... the Veritas Group does a whole-painting analysis comparing thousands of strokes across the surface, AND does an extremely detailed exam of the colors. Colors that appear identical to the human eye (capable of distinguishing 27,000 colors) will be quite different to a color detecting sensor (capable of detecting 10X that).
And I wonder if they were doing this BEFORE Bright's patent? If so, his patent is invalid because of "prior use" or something.
no Gogh -
SHAME ON YOU!
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HartCottageQuilts
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posted on September 29, 2000 04:21:07 AM new
SAVE Ms. Rewald's email to you
I've kept copies of everything in every form possible.
Who's "nogogh"?
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abacaxi
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posted on September 29, 2000 04:28:44 AM new
HCQ -
Check out the link to the Cezanne message and look at the replies to the message. 
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HartCottageQuilts
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posted on September 29, 2000 05:19:29 AM new
I'll have to concur with your " "
Who knows, maybe he'll get a buyer for "Yellow Roses" from that messageboard...
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rosiebud
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posted on September 29, 2000 06:16:58 AM new
abacaxi, I thought it was a great site as well. There's a lot of information there, and, from what they've explained on how/what they compare, I would put a lot of stock in what they say.
I would think, that they have been doing this before the 1996 filing, as the copyright date on the pages is 1995, although it's been updated during the past 5 years. I see no reason why they would put a false copyright date on their pages. Plus, I would imagine that in order to catalog their findings as they have, would take a considerable amount of time. It might be worth an email to inquire as to how long they've been doing this.
Rosie
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njrazd
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posted on September 29, 2000 07:43:47 AM new
Now you've got me dreaming about this!! LOL
One point came to mind during the night though. In the original listing, the auction was entitled, "Provenance For The Sale Of "Yellow Roses" Reportedly Painted By Vincent Van Gogh" (my bolding.)
Now, if the owner had in their possession an authentic letter from Mr. Rewald claiming it was indeed a Van Gogh, the why say "Reportedly?" Wouldn't this letter prove that it was a true Van Gogh? These inconsistencies are way too distracting.
BTW Tom...the lawyer I have on retainer is based out of Los Angeles, which should make it easy for you. LMK what info you need. I really hardly think you want to make this Faux Van Gogh very public now, do you??? If amateurs can trip you up, imagine what professionals can do!
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That's Flunky Gerbiltush to you!
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abacaxi
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posted on September 30, 2000 08:22:49 AM new
Well, we shall know (eventually - these things often take weeks) if Bright's patent for matching brush strokes is based on previously published scholarly work or not.
And I might get Bright to actually email me, instead of using a sockpuppet named Weldon Fargo.
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siggy
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posted on September 30, 2000 12:42:40 PM new
This saga has been fascinating. Please keep us updated, if you can, on any further developments.
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amy
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posted on September 30, 2000 01:22:29 PM new
Weldon Fargo....Wells Fargo.
Can't they at least show some imagination?
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HartCottageQuilts
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posted on September 30, 2000 01:25:41 PM new
Can't they at least show some imagination?
Given how easy it was to deflate every claim about the painting, amy, I think it's a safe bet that the answer to your question is "no".
BTW, in his emails to me, "Weldon" described himself as 24 years old, black, and poor.
[ edited by HartCottageQuilts on Sep 30, 2000 01:36 PM ]
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bobbysoxer
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posted on September 30, 2000 02:28:46 PM new
Well I finally read the 25 pages of Van Gogh, ok the last 10 pages I just skimmed and hit the interesting twists, turns and the various suspensions.
I saw the thread on Labor Day Weekend read the first page - page and half and didn't bother to go back. I had noticed it was getting alot of posts, but had other things to do and think about etc.
Congratulations to all participants! Because of your stick-to-it attitude you upheld USA's truth justice and the American way!
In my opinion they tried to bully you by using various tactics to shut up.
As I was reading the original thread, I noticed a few things that may or may not help (as if I do contribute to genises!) I noticed that there were two or more posters that exhibited similar methods. Usually posters will respond to multiple posts in one message, however several would do this in seperate posts.
Two what I kept thinking about was did anyone bother to notify the auction site and/or the painting owner that there was a person representing them? In my opinion if I was the owner of the auction site or the painting owner and was notified that this was going on I would contact AW immediately to have the thread closed. Any thoughts?
Anyways because (I am "assuming" someone did contact the auction site and painting owner)
could it be safe to say the auction site and the painting owner be behind the "tag team" posters?
Also just out of curiousity I would like to see the posts that were deleted by "Sharon."
Lastly, I am sorry that the posters had insulted some of you particularly you HCQ.
not bobbysoxer on eBay
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yuper592
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posted on September 30, 2000 03:48:54 PM new
HCQ & abacaxi, if I may borrow my daughter's favorite phrase....you guys are da bomb!!! I don't know fine art from the 2 for $4 framed stuff at Wal-Mart, but I am so intrigued by this thread! Just so you know, I'm getting nothing done thanks to the two of you
I just completed page #7 of the previous thread and I am so mad that I could spit. HCQ, I don't know how you were able to hold your composure and keep a level head while being attacked over and over with regards to your health, your home, your pets and the fact that you need to, "Get a life". You my dear are a much bigger person than I! Your physical health may have deteriorated, but your mind is as sharp as a tack and you have my utmost respect. At the risk of sounding hokie, I have to say that I am in complete awe of you and the way that you handled yourelf in that thread. Again, from the mouth of my 8 year old...YOU GO GIRL!
[ edited by yuper592 on Sep 30, 2000 03:50 PM ]
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HartCottageQuilts
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posted on September 30, 2000 05:46:11 PM new
I confess: Nobody's ever called me "da bomb" before You're very kind, but really - I may get the kudos, but that's just because I got to carry the flag.
I grew up in a household where denial and obfuscation were the norm. I was always told that the horrible things I SAW were my imagination, and what I was TOLD was the truth. A childhood-full of this sort of stuff made me eminently INtolerant of BS. Threats just makes me dig in harder.
A few things I've learned: Check your facts before you state 'em. Never say anything you wouldn't want on the front page of the Times. Somebody you don't like will read it and remember it. Very few lies are one-offs; they usually come in bundles that unravel pretty easily. It's easy to keep your sense of humor when you know you're right. If somebody resorts to personal attacks, rejoice! It shows he knows you've got the upper hand. And finally - putting the poor joker out of his misery is not one-tenth as satisfying as watching him hang himself with his own rope.
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poton
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posted on September 30, 2000 06:15:21 PM new
I don't want to sound rude but moderator lock this thread, everytime I come to AW this thread on top, very annoying and unnecessary, if it isn't posible, that's ok, but I'm really sick of this thread 
Poton.
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LindaAW
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posted on September 30, 2000 06:22:35 PM new
ponton,
I'm sorry but I have no reason to lock the thread. It is in compliance with the CG's and it must be of interest to a number of people if they continue to post.
Linda
Moderator
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CleverGIrl
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posted on September 30, 2000 06:27:36 PM new
Oh, and another thing, Moderator -- PLEASE quit forcing Poton to read these things.
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stockticker
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posted on September 30, 2000 07:45:30 PM new
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bobbysoxer
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posted on September 30, 2000 07:55:32 PM new
poton
FYI: when you posted in this thread you sent it to the top.
Mmmmmmmmm I wonder?
not bobbysoxer on eBay
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abacaxi
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posted on October 1, 2000 07:35:06 AM new
Bobbysoxer -
Thanks. The proverbial fat lady has not yet sung on this saga.
POTON - No one forced you to read it!
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poton
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posted on October 1, 2000 08:29:43 AM new
Are you for real? I don't like this thread a bit. BUT, BUT every time I/she/he/them/others come to AW this thread is on top of the listing. Van Gogh? shouldn't have his own board place? This is eBay Outlook, but anyways, I'm just saying.
Poton.
Thre's Ad spam.
on eBay exist Keyword Spam.
Now personal spam.
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athena1365
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posted on October 1, 2000 09:06:50 AM new
The answer=fiber. Works like a charm
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HartCottageQuilts
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posted on October 1, 2000 09:09:20 AM new
Talk about a day late and a dollar short, poton. After somebody made the original thread post regarding this auction, we spent the ensuing month debunking every one of the seller's claims. I hardly think you could call that promoting the auction
I had no idea the moderators were forcing anybody to read that thread. Shame on them. It's unconscionable. Somebody should sue 
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bobbysoxer
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posted on October 1, 2000 09:22:44 AM new
poton:
I don't know who you are referring to when you wrote "Are you for real?" Well, since I am not in the position to speak for others, I am for real. Get use to it! I am not going anywhere.
As for you not liking the thread it has been noted now move along and QUICK READING THIS THREAD! You have the choice to read or not to read. Apparently you are an adult so take some responsibility as a mature adult that you are. QUICK READING THIS THREAD!
Mmmmmmmmmm...........
abacaxi: You are welcomed
I sure am sorry I missed the fight er I mean debate in the original thread but better late than never.
not bobbysoxer on eBay
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bobbysoxer
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posted on October 1, 2000 09:35:51 AM new
poton:
I don't mean to sound rude but why don't you start your thread?
As I read throught the original thread now I find similarities with some posters that were registered before the start of the thread
I have also noticed the various tactics to "silence" the voices of justice and truth is similar and the writings of different posts suggest that they could be written by the same person. Or least maybe people sharing the same computer? Just wondering thats all.
BTW Now I know where the definition of "cottage" orginated from.
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Edited for correction: BTW Now I "think" I know where the definition of "cottage" orginated from. If one does a genealogy on one the persons involved with the auction it would suggest that they are from an English background as I am. Just a thought.
not bobbysoxer on eBay
[ edited by bobbysoxer on Oct 1, 2000 10:12 AM ]
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