posted on February 6, 2001 08:08:58 AM new
The inflated numbers are one thing but an irritation to me is the search! Maybe it is the way the items are described but I can go into other auction sites and type in a name brand for example and it will bring up the ones they have listed. This never works with bidbay. I grow weary in looking through all the thousands and thousands of recipes and items under a buck and the bidbay bucks so I just give up. Who has the patience?
posted on February 6, 2001 09:11:53 AM new
I started this thread asking a sincere honest question. And Look What it turns out to be. The Numbers are inflated over there no matter how you look at it. There is NO way One person can have over half the listing of the whole site no matter how you look at it.
posted on February 6, 2001 09:25:33 AM new
Well OneDay, I for one think it was a vaild question and it HAS been asked before on ALL the boards. It IS a current topic as it is STILL going on. You too can over half the auctions listed, by just doing as someone suggested in this thread~~list 1 million matchsticks in a dutch auction. They are easy enough to aquire at the local grocery stores~~so you should have no problem getting the quantity of items needed when the auction ends. Or you could just as easliy list 1 million of the same recipe in a dutch auction for $1 each. That is the type of things that happen when listing fees are not charged.
posted on February 6, 2001 09:27:44 AM new
Yes OneDay...you did...and I offered a sincere answer and was truly amazed that one member had over 500,000 listings attributed to them.
I think people are learning though.
That BidBay instead of doing the proper kind of damage control (i.e. clean up their listings etc.) they send their cheerleaders one in a thinly veiled disguise to argue and defend their practices.
The me thinks they do protest too much quote comes to mind real often in these posts.
posted on February 6, 2001 09:28:45 AM new
Denephew, when I asked the question I really did not know that was how they run the numbers like I said it was an honest quesiton because I did not know.
posted on February 6, 2001 09:36:48 AM new
Oneday~~I understand fully it is an honest question. Even if you did know that is how they did the count~~it is still an honest question. According to the PTB at Bidbay that is how all auction sites count auctions. I really don't know as Meg hasn't posted an answer to this as I am aware of. I do know that on ebay when a category has 1200 items there are more than 2 pages of listings. On bidbay because there is no listing fee people will list 10,000 of anything because it doesn't cost them a dime to do so.
edited to add: In the past the CEO of Bidbay has asked members on their chatboard to list dutch auctions and any member that I bleive listed a dutch auction with more than 100 items in it was rewarded BB bucks. The basic premise of the contests, IMO, is to simply keep the numbers up.
[ edited by denephew on Feb 6, 2001 09:39 AM ]
posted on February 6, 2001 10:51:14 AM newThat BidBay instead of doing the proper kind of damage control (i.e. clean up their listings etc.) they send their cheerleaders one in a thinly veiled disguise to argue and defend their practices.
Why did Bidbay invite you(auctiongallery2) to go to their office, pay for airfair, 1000 dollars to boot, ect if they didn't want to clean up their categories, listings, bugs on the site, ect? Do you not think that these matters will not be brought up.
Me thinks your dead wrong!
And for the record everyone, no one sends me here either. I come here on my own free will and speak my mind. ~Vette~
posted on February 6, 2001 11:05:58 AM new
Vette, if you think the numbers thing is going to be cleared up by the meeting in Tujunga you are dead wrong.
Right now BidBay has about 1.2 million items listed and 500,000 of those are one member.
Do you honestly think they are going to change that and drop their numbers on the front page down to 600,000.
And while were at it...what about the others there one in particular who has 60,000 dutch items in 3 auctions.
Now down to 540,000.
Shall we count the recipes...that will bring the number down to below 500,000.
How about the cards listed...we're rapidly approaching the 400,000 mark.
Vette regardless of what anyone at that meeting says they are going to keep those numbers as it is what they are hoping potential investors will see.
The offer to go to Tujunga made to a few of us should have included you, as well as a few others and should have been made months ago instead of wasting money on prizes. And not be made as a last ditch attempt to salvage BidBay before it's IPO.
posted on February 6, 2001 12:08:00 PM newVette, if you think the numbers thing is going to be cleared up by the meeting in Tujunga you are dead wrong.
Personally I really don't think it will change either but I know the issue will be brought up. This is my point above.
Right now BidBay has about 1.2 million items listed and 500,000 of those are one member.
So what. If they got something I want, I will bid!
Do you honestly think they are going to change that and drop their numbers on the front page down to 600,000.
Question is already answered above.
And while were at it...what about the others there one in particular who has 60,000 dutch items in 3 auctions.
I care not, numbers and how they are counted really means nothing to me. If I find something I want to bid on I bid! Very simple.
Shall we count the recipes...that will bring the number down to below 500,000.
I will never condemn someone for what they list unless of course it's spam!
How about the cards listed...we're rapidly approaching the 400,000 mark.
Got something against card sellers? You're barking up the wrong tree! Again I will never condemn no one of what they sell.
Vette regardless of what anyone at that meeting says they are going to keep those numbers as it is what they are hoping potential investors will see.
Will being a investor myself, I check out matters before I invest. I'm sure a serious invester is going to do the same thing and the numbers will not be the only thing they check. I would think being number 2 in unique visitors visited and number 1,875 overall is gonna come into play big time here!
The offer to go to Tujunga made to a few of us should have included you, as well as a few others and should have been made months ago instead of wasting money on prizes. And not be made as a last ditch attempt to salvage BidBay before it's IPO.
Things cannot be done overnight. Remember this site is only a year old. It's come along way in a year and I also think the prizes is not a waste of time.
I've won my share of them and they are nice! Saved me some money at Christmas time also!
posted on February 6, 2001 12:27:53 PM new
Well, guess its a done deal, BidBay should just close and paddlock the doors, its over.
NOT.
I've had my banners edited, was not a happy camper, "Damn Stupid Contests", thats all it said, was I upset, yes, did I get over it, yes, did I let them know of my displeasure, yes. Did I stop trying because I did not get my way, no.
Hometowmn BidBay cheerleader speaks up. And I am not on BidBays payroll. Thought about it though.
Some Interesting points have been made here, I see some as valid, some echo my concerns, and some do not. I have addressed some of these Issues myself, In person. I do not work for BidBay, I can only put my say in, and hope for the best, management does the rest. As for their financial situation, Interesting reading, but really none of my bussiness, they will succeed or not, with me or without me.
That leaves me a choice, use them or do not use them. I am using them, I have voiced my opinions also. I cannot make anyone do anything, they have to do it themselves.
I'll be at the meeting also, handing in your concerns Auctiongallery2, and like I said, some I agree with, some I do not, some do not concern me, but I care enough to listen and try to make it a better site.
Yes, I have won 3 contests and picked one Contest winner.
But no Cameras, cars, boats, jetski, or gazzillion BBB's, maybe I'll get lucky this week.
My listings are what they are, no less, no more.
My opinions are just that, my opinions, nothing more, nothing less. You all have a good day now.
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posted on February 6, 2001 01:03:39 PM new
Well that's fine you don't condemn people for what they sell...the simple fact is many people have condemned that site for all of its card and recipe listings.
Numbers aren't important to you. Don't you understand that many of those unique hits people keep wanting to tout is because of the numbers on the home page.
But when they actually delve into the site they learn the truth.
You state when you find something you want you will bid.
That's the trouble. How can anyone find anything on that site?
The complaints I hear from regs and new members alike are that they are tired of sorting through items and like I described above just to get to something they might be interested in and they also complain that the search just isn't up to par.
Or they click on a category that they are interested in and they are excited because it shows 200 items. Well when they click on it they find 2 dutch auctions 100 items apiece.
For people to continue to defend some of these things, or act as though it is no big thing makes me start to question their judgement as we know these are important issues in the online auction biz and will surely turn off buyers which in effect can break the site.
posted on February 6, 2001 01:21:13 PM newWell that's fine you don't condemn people for what they sell...the simple fact is many people have condemned that site for all of its card and recipe listings.
This is their decision not mine.
Numbers aren't important to you. Don't you understand that many of those unique hits people keep wanting to tout is because of the numbers on the home page.
And don't you understand that this site is growing? Listings continue to grow?
But when they actually delve into the site they learn the truth.
Yes they do and many of them stay. Why is this?
You state when you find something you want you will bid.
That's the trouble. How can anyone find anything on that site?
Very simple, you use the search feature. I believe thats what it's there for!
The complaints I hear from regs and new members alike are that they are tired of sorting through items and like I described above just to get to something they might be interested in and they also complain that the search just isn't up to par.
You complain, I complain and frankly I don't know of anyone that doesn't!
Or they click on a category that they are interested in and they are excited because it shows 200 items. Well when they click on it they find 2 dutch auctions 100 items apiece.
They sure get through that category fast can't they!
For people to continue to defend some of these things, or act as though it is no big thing makes me start to question their judgement as we know these are important issues in the online auction biz and will surely turn off buyers which in effect can break the site.
The bottom line here is the site keeps growing auctiongallery2. You may not like that but that is FACT! You can question my ethics all you want to but frankly I see you not questioning the ethics of ebay, you know that site where you do all your listing?
