posted on August 25, 2005 04:23:27 PM new
Here's an article I ran across today....speaking to this issue of 'the religious nut cases' you are get so angry about.
I've mentioned before that clinton discussed doing the exact same thing that has you all so angry.
NewMax.com
Wednesday, Aug. 24, 2005 12:23 p.m. EDT
Stephanopoulos Urged Foreign Assassination
Christian Coalition founder Pat Robertson prompted a firestorm of media outrage on Tuesday after he suggested that the Bush administration should assassinate a foreign leader who posed a threat to the U.S. - in this case, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.
But when senior Clinton advisor George Stephanopoulos publicly argued for the same kind of assassination policy in 1997, the press voiced no objection at all.
Fresh from his influential White House post, Stephanopoulos devoted an entire column in Newsweek to the topic of whether the U.S. should take out Saddam Hussein.
His headlined? "Why We Should Kill Saddam."
"Assassination may be Clinton's best option," the future "This Week" host urged. "If we can kill Saddam, we should."
Though Iraq war critics now argue that by 1997, the Iraqi dictator was "in a box" and posed no threat whatsoever to the U.S., Stephanopoulos contended that Saddam deserved swift and lethal justice.
"We've exhausted other efforts to stop him, and killing him certainly seems more proportionate to his crimes and discriminate in its effect than massive bombing raids that will inevitably kill innocent civilians," the diminutive former aide contended.
Stephanopoulos even offered a way to get around the presidential ban on foreign assassinations:
"If Clinton decides we can and should assassinate Saddam, he could call in national-security adviser Sandy Berger and sign a secret National Security Decision Directive authorizing it."
The Stephanopoulos plan: "First, we could offer to provide money and materiel to Iraqi exiles willing to lead an effort to overthrow Saddam. . . . The second option is a targeted airstrike against the homes or bunkers where Saddam is most likely to be hiding."
The one-time top Clinton aide said that, far from violating international principles, assassinating Saddam would be the moral thing to do, arguing, "What's unlawful - and unpopular with the allies - is not necessarily immoral."
Stephanopoulos also noted that killing Saddam could pay big political dividends at home, saying the mission would make Clinton "a huge winner if it succeeded."
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As I said....no difference to me when Pat Robertson says it or when anyone else in power discusses it.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on August 25, 2005 04:32:57 PM new
And another from today....supporting what Robertson did/didn't call for.....our own CIA and military agreed
Aug. 25, 2005 1:08 p.m. EDT
CIA, Military Men Agree with Pat Robertson
While televangelist Pat Robertson has apologized for suggesting that Venezuelan strongman Hugo Chavez be assassinated, a former military man and an ex-CIA operative have stepped forward to say that his concerns about Chavez aren't exactly unwarranted.
"Chavez is a dangerous guy," retired Col. David Hunt told Bill Bennett's "Morning in America" fill-in host Steve Malzberg on Wednesday.
"We helped to elect the son of a gun [and] after 9/11 you don't get to threaten us."
The issue of assassination "should be on the table," Hunt said. "I'm suggesting that we use it as a tool . . . to get those guys nervous."
Former CIA operative Wayne Simmons agreed, telling Fox News Channel's "Hannity & Colmes," that Chavez has "threatened not only the United States and the west, but [has]armed himself with the revolutionary armed forces of Colombia, which is the oldest, most well-trained terrorist organization in Latin America."
"He should have been killed a long time ago," Simmons said.
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"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on August 25, 2005 05:08:15 PM new
Stephanopoulos is not a man of the cloth like Robertson who is supposed to be religious and not supposed to condone or recommend murder.
posted on August 25, 2005 05:23:07 PM new
I change that from 'as much as you do'....to others who really do want our nation protected. And since you didn't support this war...I'll take that as NOT including you personally.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on August 25, 2005 06:00:36 PM new
What scares me is this wacko making public pronouncements that could get our country into trouble with yet another nation. We look like gun-crazy maniacs to some of those countries, I'm sure.
I don't care of Pat R. THINKS we should assassinate someone; I just want him to keep it to himself.
posted on August 25, 2005 08:33:16 PM new
The times we live in are incendiary at the moment, and I fear any call for assassination of a foreign leader could lead to recriminations (and, yes, terrorism) on our soil. I'd feel the same way about George Stephanopolous if he made such a statement today. Sort of yelling "fire" in a crowded theater, in my mind. Asking for it. Showing the world once again that America Knows Best and the other nations are children who should be spanked and shown how to behave.
posted on August 26, 2005 12:23:02 AM new
Again the neocons show how two faced and stupid they truly are.
They think Muslim clerics who call for someone's death should be deported.....where's the call to deport Robertson?
He called for the assasination of a democratically elected leader of a country!
Yes, the U.S has, does , and will have people assasinated but you don't scream it from the rooftops just to cause trouble.
For the idiots who compare him to Clinton...let's try to explain to them how Robertson purports to be a man of god...Clinton didn't. Two DIFFERENT people . But the idiot neocons have no excuse for Robertson's inflammatory statemant so just have to say "well, Clinton...blah, blah, blah" like a squawking parrot.
IF CLINTON DID EVERYTHING THE REPUBLICANS DO THEN WHY DON'T YOU LIKE HIM? Try to apply an inch of logic to your thinking just once!
And then , of course, when shown to be a fool , always resorts to, "Yes, I'm wrong and stupid, but my side WON!"
The only people that are more stupid are the gullible fish who contribute millions to the 700 club and other phony scams run by con artists like Robertson.
posted on August 26, 2005 11:23:14 AM new
roadsmith - It was NOT a CALL for someone to go assassinate him....it was a discussion on whether or not he should be taken out...since he believes the US wants to do just that.
There is a HUGE difference between 'a call' for someones's death...ie: what the radical muslim clerics have done/are doing....and having a discussion about it.
If you can't grasp the difference .....that's your problem. Maybe you've taken it that way because of how it's stated in the left leaning MSM. But I think you and others really need to read what Robertson ACTUALLY SAID....not how the leftist papers are putting their biased twist on what he said.
There was NO CALL, by Robertson for his assassination. Period.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on August 26, 2005 12:55:11 PM new
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posted on August 26, 2005 01:20:26 PM new
VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. - Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson called on Monday for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, calling him a "terrific danger" to the United States.
Robertson, founder of the Christian Coalition of America and a former presidential candidate, said on "The 700 Club" it was the United States' duty to stop Chavez from making Venezuela a "launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism."
Chavez has emerged as one of the most outspoken critics of President Bush, accusing the United States of conspiring to topple his government and possibly backing plots to assassinate him. U.S. officials have called the accusations ridiculous.
"You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it," Robertson said.
"It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war ... and I don't think any oil shipments will stop."
posted on August 26, 2005 01:27:47 PM new
"if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it," Robertson said.
Seems to me he's calling for that assassination, Linda K.
posted on August 26, 2005 01:47:33 PM new
Then this religious conservative spokesman LIED and said he didn't say it!
So this christian lies and calls for the death of others...nice.
Perfect spokeman for the repugs
posted on August 26, 2005 02:13:13 PM new
What I found interesting was what Robertson said. Something like - instead of spending 200 billion on another war just to take out one person, we should get a covert operation to do it.
posted on August 26, 2005 02:27:46 PM new
Gotta love this one too....
A day after calling for the U-S assassination of Venezuela's president, the Reverend Pat Robertson has speculated about biblical roots for Islamic terrorism. Arabs and Muslims view themselves as descendants of Abraham's son Ishmael. On today's broadcast of ``The 700 Club,'' Robertson said -- quote -- ``The Bible talks about Ishmael as being 'a wild ass.' He's just uncontrollable, and it's almost like this seed of rebellion and uncontrolled anger has, you know, seeped into these people.'' The founder of the Christian Broadcasting Network added that Islamic terrorists seem to be motivated by ``a spirit of murder.''
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An intelligent deaf-mute is better than an ignorant person who can speak.
TV evangelist forced to apologise for Chavez murder call -25/08/05
Following a storm of international protest, Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson, a one-time US presidential candidate, has been forced to apologise for his televised remarks calling for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.
Mr Robertson made the comments on his widely watched Christian Broadcasting Network. The World Evangelical Alliance and the National Council of Churches USA were among hundreds of individuals and public bodies who objected.
The TV evangelist was also criticised by the US State Department and by the Secretary of State for Defence, Donald Rumsfeld.
At first Mr Robertson tried to deny his offence, saying that he had been “misrepresented”. On the 700 Club programme he declared that he had suggested that US special forces should “take him [Chavez] out” - claiming that the phrase could mean “a number of things, including kidnapping.”
But the video from Monday's telecast, easily available on the web, shows Robertson saying of the Venezuelan president: “If he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it.” He went on to propose that “covert operatives” could “do the job and then get it over with.”
Such remarks are not new. Six years ago Mr Robertson, a leading figure in the religious right, suggested the US agents might kill Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and North Korea's Kim Jong Il.
Yesterday the Rev Dr Bob Edgar, General Secretary of the National Council of Churches USA, which brings together denominations and faith groups representing 50 million Christians, described the televangelist's latest remarks “appalling to the point of disbelief.”
Dr Edgar declared: “It defies logic that a clergyman could so casually dismiss thousands of years of Judaeo-Christian law, including the commandment that we are not to kill. It defies logic that this self-proclaimed Christian leader could so blithely abandon the teachings of Jesus to love our enemies and turn our cheeks against violence. It defies logic that a past candidate for the presidency could skirt the brink of international law to call for the assassination of a foreign leader.”
He added: “As a former member of the House Select Committee on Assassinations, I am convinced of the immorality of political violence and know its unpredictable and devastating effects on millions of people. One wonders if Robertson’s premise would one day be applied to opposition candidates in this country who might be a threat to an incumbent’s re-election.”
The World Evangelical Alliance also issued a statement saying, “Robertson does not speak for evangelical Christians. We believe in justice and the protection of human rights of all people.”
President Chavez defied a coup attempt in 2002, following a landslide victory in Venezuela's 1998 elections. He has angered the Bush administration by his attempts to wrest back control of the world's fifth-biggest oil industry and redistribute resources among the country's poor.
The Venezulan leader accused the US of “fighting terror with terror” by invading Afghanistan and Iraq. He also ired local Catholic leaders by telling them that “they do not walk... in the path of Christ.” His policies have produced vigorous support among the impoverished, and mass protest from other sectors of society.
posted on August 26, 2005 02:39:11 PM new
""Maybe in YOUR mind they 'shouldn't' be doing/saying what they are...but they have just as much right to want to defend this Nation as you do.""
Was Venezuela REALLY going to attack! LindaKKK, really, aren't you stretching a little
And LindaKKK besides that, Robertson purports to be a religious leader ...think of how hard , and maybe dangerous, he made it for christian missionaries around the world. And, the WORLD HAS heard about these atrocious remarks.
posted on August 26, 2005 03:06:03 PM new
roadsmith....I already posted a link that had his statement in it. I believe in the other thread where this same issue was discussed.
I'm sorry that you can't tell the difference between having a "conversation", as he did as opposed to calling for a jhad, calling for people to take up arms, form groups, train to kill ALL infadels.
Robertson, in my link said the AP misquoted him - taken what he's said out of context. Just like the tiny "quotes" here and there are done in the articles presented here. Not his full statement. And you, above all people, should know how taking something out of context CAN change it's meaning or how it appears.
It's clear no one here is willing to see it differently. Also, you might be interested in reading my link about "Is it free speech, or is it terrorism?'.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on August 26, 2005 03:37:50 PM new
Nice try , LindaKKK , but it's the QUOTE heard round the world
""But the video from Monday's telecast, easily available on the web, shows Robertson saying of the Venezuelan president: “If he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it.” He went on to propose that “covert operatives” could “do the job and then get it over with.” """"
posted on August 26, 2005 08:20:14 PM new"Is it free speech, or is it terrorism?'.
It's free speech when an American Christian leader says it. It's terrorism when a Muslim leader says it. Now if that's not hypocrisy, I have no clue what is.
posted on August 27, 2005 09:53:44 AM new
AAwww, c'mon, LindaKKK, admit he said it.....or at least give us one of those twisted "he didn't say what he said and apologized for because he didn't really say it in context of what he said."
Must be that LEFT-leaning Fux News that screwed it up
posted on August 27, 2005 12:42:54 PM new
I loved it when he demamded that the US STATE DEPARTMENT be BOMBED with NUKES:
10~2003
"The U.S. State Department is protesting "at the highest level" evangelist Pat Robertson's comments on his television program suggesting its Foggy Bottom headquarters be blown up with a nuclear weapon.
Richard Boucher, spokesman for the State Department, called the remarks, made last week on Robertson's "700 Club" program, "despicable."
"I lack sufficient capabilities to express my disdain," Boucher told reporters when asked about the comments. "I think the very idea, though, is despicable."
Robertson is aware of Secretary of State Colin Powell's extreme outrage at the tone and content of the remarks, a senior official told Agence France-Presse.
"That's not the way one expresses an opinion in Washington," the official said.
The remarks came during an interview with National Review columnist Joel Mowbray, who also is a critic of the State Department.
Robertson referred to Mowbray's new book, "Dangerous Diplomacy: How the State Department Threatens American Security," which alleges the agency appeases sponsors of terrorism, ignores U.S. citizens abroad who are in trouble and mishandles visas, to the detriment of security.
The evangelist said after he read Mowbray's book, he thought, 'If I could just get a nuclear device inside Foggy Bottom, I think that's the answer,'" Robertson said, according to a transcript on the website of his Christian Broadcasting Network.
"I mean, you get through this, and you say [to yourself], 'We've got to blow that thing up.' I mean, is it as bad as you say?" Robertson asked.
"It is," Mowbray responded.
The Christian Broadcasting Network said Robertson is traveling and cannot be reached for comment until after the weekend."
A true man of GOD...
OBVIOUSLY, the GOPiggy RIGHT-WING is composed entirely of CRAZED & BLOODTHIRSTY MUSLIM JIHADIST FANATICS!
posted on August 27, 2005 02:09:34 PM new
Yes, many on the left have already stated how, in their opinion, it is just SO very different to them when Robertson's sitting on a couch discussing what he'd like to see done....since the US has already been accused of wanting to do just that.
But somehow in THEIR minds....being anti-war, anti-Bush and all....the see the same thing being done on political talk shows, where people ALSO are sitting around talking about what THEY believe should be done in regards to certain situations. THAT somehow is so different to them when political pundits do the EXACT same thing.
What nonsense. It's becaues of the bigotry against religious people, and Pat Robertson in particular......that's ALL this has been about.
Anti-religious people, who don't have one bit of a problem with the clinton administration discussing the exact same thing.
I'm done. You lefties will never see how it's a double standard when it comes from the lefties as opposed to those on the right. NEVER!!!
Your hatred of this President has blinded you all.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on August 27, 2005 04:33:17 PM new
Ha! LindaKKK, you're probably the only person on earth who thinks that way.....don't believe me ? then tune in the Sunday morning political talk shows, read some newspaper editorials, LEARN something.
You fail, in your blind obedience to your dictator, to see that even VERY religious people, religious leaders are also speaking out AGAINST what Patty said
Sorry, ya can't twist THIS one
PUHleeese LinDUHKKK, what has sitting on a couch got to do with whether or not a person says something inappropriate or not....that's just wacky thinking!
posted on August 27, 2005 04:49:31 PM new
Sorry crowfart, you're not taking down the whole christian church because of what one man said based on staunch old testament ideology. Just not going to happen.
posted on August 27, 2005 07:40:45 PM new
Action taken after comments by Pat Robertson regarding Chavez
By PATRICK MARKEY
Reuters News Service
CARACAS, VENEZUELA - Venezuela's government has temporarily suspended permits for foreign missionaries after a U.S. televangelist said Washington should assassinate President Hugo Chavez.
The policy announcement came four days after conservative evangelist Pat Robertson said Washington should execute Chavez, a former soldier who often accuses the United States of plotting to kill him.
The chief of the Justice Ministry's religious affairs unit, Carlos Gonzalez, said Friday authorization of permits for missionaries would be curbed while the government tightened regulations on preachers inside Venezuela.
The permits "are suspended for a short time ... while we organize a system to see what additional data we need for people coming into the country to preach," Gonzalez told Reuters.
"We were already working on this, but these declarations have made us speed things up," he said
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/world/3327063
posted on August 27, 2005 07:47:20 PM new
""PUHleeese LinDUHKKK, what has sitting on a couch got to do with whether or not a person says something inappropriate or not....that's just wacky thinking! ""
lindaKKK, please tell your lap dog to heel....and try to answer posts for yourself
