posted on September 8, 2005 06:19:58 PM new
At least my "bleeding heart" has some warm blood running through it. You are the one who made the remark about 1 being a good start. There are all types of human beings in this world--ambitious, lazy, smart, not so smart, people with confidence, people without confidence, violent people, peaceful people. None of us is perfect (except you, Linda!)Should we only help those people we think live the right way? The people in the Gulf Coast who are going through this horrendous disaster, should be receiving all our help, prayers and love, and do no deserve the criticism you are spewing. There is time enough to fix whatever you think is broken when we have helped everyone possible.
posted on September 8, 2005 06:30:18 PM new
coach - Sorry you don't like hearing how many American's feel about how the liberals are so willing to support people from cradle to the grave. I'm talking about all those of you who are willing to give to these people who won't take care of themselves. We each have the same opportunities in life....the choices WE make ...are the future we live with. I started out with nothing....millions of American's have started out with nothing...and they, through hard work and a commitment to do so have become successful and self sufficient. I do expect others to do the same....or live with their own choices, not take my hard earned money and give it to those who chose to sit back and do nothing.
Bleeding heart liberals want to take from those who earn their money the hard way, and give it to those who don't....so everything is equal.
The equality I'd like to see is much different. All those who are able should be expected to fend for themselves.....not keep growing government so that the funds some earn are taken away and redistributed to those who want to be taken care of, don't want to work. Obviously if everyone did that....no one would be able to take care of anyone. But bleeding heart liberals will make any and every excuse for why those able bodied people can't earn their own way.
And to be clear, I'm not talking about people who experience a crisis in their life and need TEMPORARY help. I do believe in giving a helping hand....not a lifetime handout.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on September 8, 2005 06:44:59 PM new
There are several displaced students from there attending colleges up here as well. The colleges have waived tuition and dorm fees for this semester. Just because a person is attending a university, doesn't necessarily mean they are originally from the immediate area.
I know I couldn't handle having "guests" for a great length of time. Probably a week at most. And that's good friends that I get along great with. When I lived in Mass., my best friend left her husband and moved in with me for a year. Before I knew what happened, her boyfriend was staying the night (something we agreed in advance would not happen, as I had two young children) and HE was having loud parties while I was home (in PA) visiting my family. We did not speak for 2 1/2 years after she moved out.
posted on September 8, 2005 06:57:32 PM new
How did this discussion get to be about the welfare system? We are talking about disaster relief and being a welfare recipient or not does not make a danged bit of difference. We are talking about bigoted remarks that start with "they" and "lazy" that lump a group of people into one category. How can you know the circumstances for every person on welfare? Life is quite hard for many people--even those who want to succeed in the worst way. Obstacles you know nothing about may prevent that success. I don't know how you can be comfortable being so judgmental. Judge not lest ye be judged.
posted on September 8, 2005 07:37:26 PM new
Of course it does, coach.....because had those people, or at least more of them been self sufficient they could have removed themselves from this area....not had to sit there waiting for the government to remove them.
Save your other preaching for someone who wants/needs to hear it....I don't. You have no idea what my life was like.....but I did better myself, as have MILLIONS and millions of people who didn't have things handed to them by either their parents....OR our government.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on September 8, 2005 07:48:58 PM new
Linda - owning or not owning a car means nothing. For that matter, neither does education. Those a variables but without the entire picture they don't neccesarily tell the story of the person.
For example, I have nothing beyond a high school education, I don't own a car and I am home most days in front of (well, actually beside) a TV. Now if you didn't know anything but that most people would assume that I am lazy, on public assistance, lack aspirations etc. But those assumptions would be dead wrong because they are based on variables rather than who I am.
You cannot judge an individual by things so cosmetic and materialistic as car ownership.
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posted on September 8, 2005 07:56:01 PM new
fenix - I am not judging individuals but rather a very large group of government dependent people....who rely totally on the government for their very exsistance.
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Oh and coach, you asked how did we get off the topic. But I see you haven't even made one reply to the topic subject....just came in to tell me how you see me and my beliefs. LOL
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on September 8, 2005 08:11:40 PM new
But Linda - my point is that you seem to be making some correlation between their lack of car ownersip and their dependecy on government assistance. Lets say that tomorrow, San Diego flooded and in the evacuation process I lost my wallet (not a stretch, it takes me 15 minutes to find my wallets and keys even if I just walked in the house 5 minutes ago). I'm going to need some immediate assistance. I won't have my credit cards, I won't have my bank cards and I will not have an address where replacements of these things can be sent to. I won't be able to directly access my bank funds since I have no identification and the one bank where I have a relationship with employees that might help me bypass that is three blocks away so it's flooded too.
A need for immediate assistnce does not neccessarily equate to a dependency on it. You seem to have a stereotype in your head that you have applied across the board but you don't seem to be aknowledging that that board is made up of individuals. You don't know if someone is a single mother who worked two jobs to keep her head above water and take care of her kids and was living month to month but on her own means and has now lost both jobs and her home in one fell swoop or someone that may have the means for survival but does not have access to them right now. Yes, there are going to be people there that were living on the dole but you should not judge the group by the least among them.
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posted on September 8, 2005 08:12:04 PM new
Linda_K and Karl Rove are now in charge of damage control for this White House and the CON-servative movement in regards to the New Orleans mess. "BRING IT ON" Linda and Karl "BRING IT ON"
Somewhere in Texas a small village is missing its VILLAGE IDIOT.
posted on September 8, 2005 08:17:24 PM new
Well, linda it's difficult to discuss the topic when you continue to discuss the welfare system which has no bearing on the topic.
posted on September 8, 2005 08:26:24 PM new
Rather than me continuing to be asked questions and to defend my positions....why don't you tell me why 115,000 people, give or take a few thousands either way.....when
forewarned this terrible storm was coming.....could not find anyone with a car to remove them from this area. Are you trying to say that all of them had no other choice but to sit there BEFORE HAND? Because if you are, I don't buy it for one minute. I do understand there are the disabled who may have additional trouble....but even they must have family and/or friends that could have transported them out.
Also like you mentioned to be before....all those who died in that nursing home. Have you since heard that happened because their caregivers DESERTED THEM....just left them there? Nice people....think of themselves...not those they're paid to take care of because they can't take care of themselves. That also says a lot about their own personal characters....just as others deserted people they knew, maybe even family members to die on the streets/roads/etc. These people,imo, have become desensitized ....because there's always that assumption someone else will take care of them...I don't need to.
These are the people I think of when other posters here call them animals.
They sat there, imo, for the most part because they didn't THINK nor worry this was going to effect them personally. They made the worst bet they could have made....and they lost.
It's like you liberals think they're all children, who can't understand how serious things are when their own mayor is ordering an evacuation. When they can hear the news...when they know the past problems with the levees. And once it does hit....they leave their lives in the hands of inept governor and mayor who can't make a decision if their lives depended on it....the problem was...the lives of all the others were depending on their decisions and total lack of providing for those who needed help getting out.
But I believe you're the one trying to turn this to be able not having a car. I've gone years without having a car and it didn't make he stay home....nor keep me from going wherever I wanted to go. Do they not have buses there that could have been used before the storm hit? Sure they did. Did they not know people who were leaving, like maggie's husband did, who they could ask to give them a ride? I could think of a million ways, including walking if that was my last resort, to get out of there when they first warned them to.
Making excuses for people that have become so government dependent that they can't think/act for themselves and just assume the good old government is going to take care of them....like they're children. Well they certainly made childish decisions and stayed.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on September 8, 2005 08:38:54 PM new
helen...I put you in the same spot I put the coach in. YOU need to take care of what helen posts....and since you too have decided, along with coincoach, to NOT speak to the topic issue but rather to your disagreement with my positions.....I'll ask why YOU don't answer stop's topic question...rather than whine about my posts.
Whether any of you want to admit it or not....most of these 115 thousand people ARE/WERE government dependent. The others....got out on their own...either taking the warnings seriously....or when they saw it WAS more serious, as they were being warned. Those left either refused to ever leave...as we saw..and still see happening...or they obviously had no friends or family that could help them out for a little while so they could be safe.....making them government dependent...in order to survive.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on September 8, 2005 08:56:31 PM new
Linda - do you realize that a lot of those people got in their car cars and drove to the superdome and drove to the convention center because they they only believed that they were escaping the winds that come with a hurricane. Of course by the time all was said and done, their cars were sitting under water. Many of those that decided to stick out the hurricane at home two days later ended up leaving houses the were flooded on foot because the streets were to flooded to drive in. If one follows your logic that all that had cars left then there should not be any cars on the streets on New Orleans but we have seen that that is not the case.
I honestly do not understand why it is that you seem to assume the worst about people but you do. It seems that you have labeled anyone that did not do exactly as you would do as stupid, lazy, or bothbut there are so many other reasons. As dozens of people that were interviewed the night before the hurricane stated, they have been thru this a dozen times and time after time that media portrays imminent disaster at the end of the day they had nothing more than a wet windy day. They were jaded. That does not mean they were stupid. They based their actions on prior experience. Sheppard Smith was interviewing guys sitting outside at a bar drinking margaritas the night before the hurricane hit. Do you think they were without means?
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posted on September 8, 2005 09:01:10 PM new
Just for clarification Linda - I am not trying to turn this into something about a car and whether someone owned one or not... My response came from a statement you made on the first page of this thread....
those hundreds of thousands that lived there, were are gainfully employed, self supporting, but just decided they needed help from the government to get out....couldn do so on their own because they didn't even own a car.
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posted on September 8, 2005 11:45:26 PM new
Oh Lawdy ! Did everyone MISS the most hilarious statement ever printed in here ??
LINDAKKK said:
"That also says a lot about their own personal characters....just as others deserted people they knew, maybe even family members to die on the streets/roads/etc. These people,imo, have become desensitized ....because there's always that assumption someone else will take care of them...I don't need to.""
The most "desensitized" person in the world pointing fingers at others who didn't care enough....from the "loving", "compassionate", "generous", "christian" LINDAKKK !!!!
Mingo, I don't know whether to laugh or cry that someone could possibly be so far off base as Linda. To feel and express such resentment and hate for the poor victims of a natural disaster left homeless is just unconscionable.
posted on September 9, 2005 05:50:25 AM new
Linda, I am sure there are many people who think the way you do, unfortunately. My point is that, RIGHT NOW, focusing on a group of citizen's work history or dependence on the government is non-productive, considering the huge relief effort required to help the Gulf Coast and ALL its citizens. No one is a liberal, no one is a conservative or anything in between. Most of us are Americans trying to help Americans----without judgment. If you witnessed someone crossing the street against the light and being struck by a truck, would you lecture him about the correct way to cross the street as he lies there bleeding, or would you call 911? Never mind, I think I know the answer.
posted on September 9, 2005 06:04:33 AM new
SOME ONE SAID-Yes, but do you slurp your duck blood soup right out of the pot that you cooked it in and do you use yutensles like k'nivies and forks when you knaw on pig knuckles.
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TABLE MANNERS!!!!!!!!!!
Another middleclass value!
I remember watching a movie by Meryl Streep,it was a party held at someone's house and champagne was served in the proper glassware(I dont remember the name of it,but it is fluted so the bubbles will come up) and everyone dressed in fancy gowns and tux help up their champagne glass,sipped and smiled and acting real gracious.
Then the scene moved to the library-hero and heroine of the movie propped themselves on to a couch and the heroine straddled the hero and START #*!@!
GOOD MORNING AMERICA,NOTHING HAS CHANGED US,NOT EVEN CHAMPAGNE GLASS,#*!@ IS STILL VERY MUCH IN VOGUE,WHETHER YOU ARE UPPER,MIDDLE OR LOWER CLASS !
Now you may go back to the kitchen and help yourself with your second cup of coffee!!
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Eat grass,kick ass,never go belly up!
posted on September 9, 2005 06:07:02 AM new
What is truly amazing is how the neocons resent helping their fellow Americans , which is SO anti-American nd unpatriotic, but they see no problem with spending billions of dollars turning Iraq into one huge welfare state !
.....and killing and maiming Americans by the thousands to do so!
posted on September 9, 2005 07:05:41 AM new
So why then is there upwards of some 15,000 people who are still refusing to leave?? What choice are they making here NOW?
Imo, they are going to need to get everybody out of there, and pretty much gut that place if they plan on doing any rebuilding.
posted on September 9, 2005 07:34:34 AM new
other reasons-
so if they evacuate,is there a better place than home??
sleeping in a cot versus sleeping in your own bed,wait in line to use the latrine,bring your own toilet paper and soap?
and what kind of food is served versus cooking in your own kitchen??
it is not like being invited to cruise the world on QE II??
other reasons why they dont want to move-
old and frail people dont have the energy and stamina ,or some people are just too depressed,down right depressed !!
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Eat grass,kick ass,never go belly up!
posted on September 9, 2005 10:18:11 AM new
Stopwhining
I hope you know that i was joking with you, i honestly cannot tell from your post if you took it that way or not.
posted on September 9, 2005 10:28:07 AM new
fenix - On the car issue....I've read and heard that approx. 40% of those in NO did not own cars. That the city of NO has long encouraged it's citizens to not drive, but rather use their government provided transit. Those people who had cars used them to get out....most anyway...that's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying that while some in our country believe more people should give up driving cars and use mass transit transit....are putting people in the position of not having a way out, themselves. It forces them to be dependent on the local government to save them....as it did in this situation.
And with so many living on an income of approx. $9,000 to $10,000 a year....they couldn't afford a car nor insurance.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
