posted on September 9, 2005 11:06:46 AM
There now you see, that's another one of helen's tactics. When the conversation isn't going her way and someone becomes involved she tells them to STFU like she is in control of the board, or so she thinks.
After reading this from me she will be diligently and quickly searching through her archives for a thread where she can attempt to counteract what i have just said.
posted on September 9, 2005 11:06:56 AM
LOL helen....lowering yourself to swearing again huh? And here you try to present yourself so differently....LOL Who made you board monitor?
Whether they replace Brown or not...won't change the fact that FEMA itself will still be the organization dealing with this issue....just possibly under different leadership.
But see helen....in your interest to silence me....tell me to stay on topic, is just your way of dancing around my question....
which organization do YOU think should handle this crisis, if not FEMA, then who?
Because YOU CAN'T/ or won't answer, name another organization, you start trying to silence me. LOL Figures.....just more complaining from you.....but NO offer of any alternative. You remind me of Pelosi.....a woman with no solutions.....but who just LOVES whining and finding fault with everything.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on September 9, 2005 11:10:12 AM
Linda- the problem isn't with FEMA as an organization, the problem is their Director and the moronic Administration that appointed him, and you know it. FEMA has done a fantastic job handling past catastrophes.
The wire has just announced that Mike Brown has been pulled from directing the disaster relief and it has been given to Coast Guard Vice Admiral, Thad W. Allen. I would say this is the first step in the right direction. Next up, firing Mike Brown, and next, the Bush Administration.
posted on September 9, 2005 11:12:29 AM
I can only imagine her sitting at her computer feverishly searching her archives with sweat dripping off the tip of her nose and her breathing getting more and more hoarse as she frantically searches for something, anything to prove her point and prove others wrong.
posted on September 9, 2005 11:18:51 AM "which organization do YOU think should handle this crisis, if not FEMA, then who?
Linda, I answered your question on the previous page. I'll bold my answers so you can see....
FEMA "may" be able to distribute checks but other than that, I don't trust their ablility to do anything. I don't trust their ability to manage and use wisely the billions that they have received.
Absolutely not!
Then I posted,
Linda, Firing Brown should be the first step. Brown and other Bush political operatives should be replaced by disaster professionals You will have to answer the question of how to straighten out the colossal mess that your favorite president has created.
posted on September 9, 2005 11:24:27 AM
Linda_K and Karl Rove are now in charge of damage control for this White House and the CON-servative movement in regards to the New Orleans mess. "BRING IT ON" Linda and Karl "BRING IT ON" YES!!!
posted on September 9, 2005 11:42:20 AM
rusty, if you don't MIND...I was asking HELEN as SHE'S the one who doesn't want FEMA handling the situation. She didn't initally say ANYTHING about using FEMA....just changing who's in charge.
Okay? So maybe next time you can read what others are actually posting rather than taking it off on a different track, once again.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
So...I assume that Caroline cannot answer the questions that I asked about her topic.
If you missed it, Caroline, How do you know that the survivors of Hurricane Katrina do not have, as you said, "a background in how to handle money or budgeting"????? And if you are concerned about giving or loaning a mere 2,000 to hurricane survivors, why are you not concerned about the billions of dollars that are going to FEMA...an organization that has clearly demonstrated it's incompetence????
FEMA director Michael Brown relieved of hurricane responsibilities
02:57 PM EDT Sep 09
WASHINGTON (AP) - The director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, Michael Brown, is being removed from his role managing hurricane Katrina relief efforts and is returning to Washington, The Associated Press has learned.
Brown, who has been under fire for the federal government's slow response to the storm that devastated much of the Gulf Coast region, will be replaced by Vice-Admiral Thad Allen of the U.S. Coast Guard, who was overseeing New Orleans relief and rescue efforts.
Asked if he was being made a scapegoat for a federal relief effort that has drawn widespread and sharp criticism, Brown told The Associated Press after a long pause: "By the press, yes. By the president, No."
Besides being under fire because of the administration's slow response to the Katrina disaster, Brown also faced questions Thursday about whether he padded his resume to highlight his previous emergency management background.
posted on September 9, 2005 12:25:03 PM
If you missed it, Caroline, How do you know that the survivors of Hurricane Katrina do not have, as you said, "a background in how to handle money or budgeting"????? And if you are concerned about giving or loaning a mere 2,000 to hurricane survivors, why are you not concerned about the billions of dollars that are going to FEMA...an organization that has clearly demonstrated it's incompetence????
Helen, I did not miss your question, I was out running errands and taking care of the puppies. You ask how I know that the survivors do not have a background in how to handle money. Ummmm - maybe it's because the majority of them are extremely poor! You sure don't see many accountants or Financial Managers being too poor to evacuate!
They probably have not seen that amount of money all at once before! Don't you think they should be advised how to use it properly? Like, not going out and buying new clothes when they can get donated clothes, like using the money to relocate or put a deposit on an apartment. Just basic Budget 101.
I'm not begrudging them the money, but why not be given some advice on how to get back on their feet with it.
As for the FEMA comment, that's just silliness. Show me any government agency, and I'll show you an accounting issue. I have worked with enough of them on an accounting basis to tell you - their financial systems stink - they need to be overhauled. They are outdated.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Caroline
posted on September 9, 2005 01:19:35 PM
So, you think that allowing a hurricane survivor 2,000 is wrong without a lot of oversight.
But, you think that allowing FEMA billions is A-OK, even though you know from your experience that their accounting system is "stinky".
The truth is that your narrow minded thoughts about the poor are prejudiced and especially inappropriate to voice at this time. The fact that the working poor have so little money will not be solved by your suggested class in money management.
I can't believe that anyone during this horrific disaster could actually begrudge giving the poor a pittance of $2,000. They've lost homes, jobs and friends...some have lost their children and other family members. Shame on anyone who makes such disparaging and demeaning remarks about the victims of a disaster.
posted on September 9, 2005 01:30:47 PM
Linda- if you want to ask people direct questions, then perhaps you should email them and make it a private discussion. This is an open forum, so in the words of Dick Cheney, "F Yourself".
posted on September 9, 2005 01:48:00 PM
Helen, noone is asking for oversight - just education - something the poor are generally lacking.
"Shame on anyone who makes such disparaging and demeaning remarks about the victims of a disaster."
As for that idiotic comment - what is so disparaging or demeaning about saying they don't have fiscal management skills? If they did have fiscal skills, they probably wouldn't be poor!
How dare I ask that they be shown how to handle money - how dare I want my tax dollars to be put to good use. How dare I even question the process? Is that what you're saying, Helen? Well, guess what - I'm questioning the whole darn process and I think it's an issue not only for the FEMA money, but for anyone receiving Welfare.
What you are saying, Helen, is that you begrudge giving anyone education that may better them? You are demeaning them by saying aren't worthy of a little bit of money knowledge that may help them?
Who is the bad guy here, Helen - take a good, long, objective look and see who wants them not to better themselves?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Caroline
posted on September 9, 2005 02:08:54 PMCorrect me if I'm wrong, but aren't most of the evacuees getting clothes, food etc where they are at now? and that a lot of cities that they are going to, they are going to have housing? (as well as free transportation there?) So the debit cards are for ??? I know we all want money in our pockets, Ok, I guess thats it, just some money to walk around with
Sorry, Near, but that was a terribly ignorant and asinine thing to say. They are getting maybe one or two changes of clothing. You want to get rid of all your clothing except maybe one or two changes? Hmmmmm? What about what your children may need that isn't being provided for? Think a bit about what you said. I pray to God you never find yourself in their situation and find others that think this way about you.
Caroline
I live at poverty level. Yes, I'm one of them there poor folk you guys love to beat to death. So, because I'm poor you know that I don't know how to handle money????? I'm willing to bet I can make $10 last longer than you ever could. Just because someone is poor doesn't mean they don't know how to handle money or would spend it foolishly.
My, my, some really asinine and ignorant comments are flying around here today.
Cheryl
[ edited by cblev65252 on Sep 9, 2005 02:09 PM ]
It's not a matter of who is a "bad guy", Caroline. You are simply wrong with a prejudiced opinion of poverty that is frankly ignorant. How are you in a position to determine who among the poor needs your education on money management? They may be able to give you a lesson on that topic.
Your basic assumption that poverty is caused by a lack of skills in money management is ludicrous.
posted on September 9, 2005 03:33:23 PM
2 grand is a nice start.
If they don't know how to control their money. So be it.
This is to AID them, it’s not the start of a $2000 a week welfare indemnify. They will have to take responsibility for their actions or lack of such, sooner or later. I'm hoping the disaster is the beginning of the end of the welfare state.
Let’s help all the misplaced the best we can and give jobs to those that need them, and will accept them. Let those that don’t want to be part of this society wither away and disappear. ( I didn’t want to say “die”)
Amen,
I do believe it’s time to start the A-List once again,
Reverend Colin
posted on September 9, 2005 03:44:02 PM
There's old foul mouthed rusty at it again.
When you get a clue as to what helen was saying, rusty, then maybe your posts will be more appropriate. Right now you don't appear to be able to comprehend that helen was disagreeing with what you said too. And I was questioning her on just what OTHER AGENCY besides FEMA SHE felt would handle it BETTER.
But until you do.....it can be assumed you can't say anything intelligent....and must resort to using your oh-so-famous FOUL MOUTH. What a shame....but maybe that's part of why you're on the EXTREME far left and don't see things the way the average American can.\
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Caroline - Pay them no attention. Of course you and everyother American has EVERY right to question this HUGE amount of our tax dollars being handed out. And I agree, many of those don't have a clue as to how to 'manage' money given to them. Many will waste it and be back, with their hands out for more. And when there is the duplication you and NearTheSea both mention....it does seem like a waste for them to spend it on clothing they can get for free.
They're in the positions they are in, because they haven't used the best judgement/coping skills in the past.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
Linda, I agree with Rusty's remarks. The only difference between my remarks and his is that he included the fact that FEMA in the past has functioned as a good organization. It was only when Bush tried to reorganize the agency and hired an unqualified director that FEMA deteriorated to the point that it could no longer function successfully. Brown lied about his qualifications and deserves to be fired immediately.
posted on September 9, 2005 04:20:19 PM
Bush bashing again.
Helen,
If your Butcher told you a cut of meat....No, No bad analogy, Your probably a vegetarian.
Okay let me start again.
If your green grocer (who you trust) told you a certain melon was ripe and a good buy
and
You told your friend It’s a good melon
and
your friend gets a bad melon.....Is it your fault?
I’ll give you time to check the manifesto before you get back to me.
BTW. I too think Brown should be canned and prosecuted for any wrong doing.
As a matter of fact, He will be the first AH on the new, improved AH of the day, week, month and year.
posted on September 9, 2005 04:29:13 PM
helen....and THAT'S exactly what I meant when I said you two weren't in agreement.
Going back: I asked you: So what are you saying, helen? You don't think that FEMA should be distributing these $2,000.00 emergency funds to the most needy? And if not, then just who do you think should be in charge of helping those who need this help?
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
[ edited by Linda_K on Sep 9, 2005 10:20 AM ]
And you answered: Helenjw
posted on September 9, 2005 10:25:59 AM
FEMA "may" be able to distribute checks but other than that, I don't trust their ablility to do anything. I don't trust their ability to manage and use wisely the billions that they have received.
Absolutely not!
Before rusty decided to butt in....YOU didn't meantion just changing the head of the operation...you made a BLANKET statement about the organization as a whole.
Admitting the truth is hard for you, I know helen. But even now you still haven't answered my questions. And IF you are so in support of FEMA....as rusty croaks he is....then you could have easily stated just that. But you didn't.....so don't go trying to pretend that's what you meant when you could have easily said so after my FIRST question to you.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on September 9, 2005 04:51:20 PM
Linda, Both READING and telling the TRUTH is hard for you.
My statement...
FEMA "may" be able to distribute checks but other than that, I don't trust their ability to do anything. I don't trust their ability to manage and use wisely the billions that they have received.
Absolutely not!
Meaning now, today! WHERE did I mention the past??? We are discussing the distribution of checks TODAY not in the past. We are discussing the colossal failure that just happened...not pre Bush and pre Brown when FEMA was a success.
Now, we learn that they can't even handle the checks!!! Tomwii has started a thread about it...another FEMA debacle.
posted on September 9, 2005 05:11:12 PM
Caroline - I just want to know how you know that these people have a history of mismanaging money. Is it king of like how you know theat every latino working in a fast food restaraunt is an illegal?
ONe of the women they interviewed today was 70 years old. She said that she had never in her life asked for assistance from anyone but she now had no home, no clothes, no nothing. Do you really think that she should have to be put thru the indignaty of having a perfect stranger tell her how to manage her money?
~~~ • ~~~ • ~~~ • ~~~ • ~~~
An intelligent deaf-mute is better than an ignorant person who can speak.
posted on September 9, 2005 05:35:59 PM
LOL okay helen...sure....whatever you say LOL
You'll complain about EVERYTHING they do....I have no doubt about that. You weren't JUST referring to their present ability to handle this.....as they have a track record of handling these types of crisis in the past.
But try to make it sound differently than your first post on the matter.....whatever you say.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on September 9, 2005 05:45:49 PM
LOL....well THAT sure was over quickly.
Friday, September 9, 2005
FEMA scraps debit cards for Katrina victims
WASHINGTON (AP) — The federal government's relief agency said Friday it will discontinue its program to distribute debit cards worth up to $2,000 to hurricane victims, two days after hastily announcing the novel plan to provide quick relief.
The Federal Emergency Management Agency said it will scrap the program once officials finish distributing cards this weekend at shelters in Dallas, Houston and San Antonio, where many of the evacuees were moved.
No cards will be issued to victims in other states.
Hurricane victims at other locations will have to apply for expedited aid through the agency's traditional route — filling out information on FEMA's Web site to receive direct bank deposits, FEMA spokeswoman Natalie Rule said.
"We tried it as an innovative way to get aid to evacuee populations in Texas. We decided it would be more expeditious with direct deposits," she said, citing the large staffing operation that would be required to replicate the Texas operation in other states.
Originally published September 9, 2005
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
Yes, linda. I'll let my words stand for what I had to say. Your fanciful interpretation fits your agenda but not mine. And guess what, linda. Others here can read with better comprehension than you can.
posted on September 9, 2005 05:50:53 PMSorry, Near, but that was a terribly ignorant and asinine thing to say
Cheryl, it probably was. All the information I get is from the media and internet, and from our local donation areas.
What I've seen is an outpouring of all kinds of things for the Hurricane victims.(through news sources; TV, internet, newspaper) I was guessing they were receiving these things, but I am not there, nor in their position, so I really don't know. Sorry.
Caroline 
And it's usually said to an exceedingly annoying PITA.