posted on January 11, 2006 05:18:25 AM new "Migrants, regardless of their migratory status, should not be treated like criminals," they said.
If they're here without the proper documentation, they are criminals. Duh. They've broken our immigration laws. When you break the law, you are a criminal. What part of that concept do they not understand? What right has Mexico to DEMAND anything from us? In fact, we should be demanding more from them: improved government, improved wages, improved living conditions (outside the ritzy resorts), improved healthcare, and a way to keep their citizens from coming into the US illegally.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the US needs to come down hard on individuals and corporations for hiring illegals and for paying less than a living wage. I don't mean a slap on the wrist little bit of a fine, either. As long as these people are providing jobs to illegals, there will continue to be a problem.
Cheryl
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." - Martin Luther King, Jr.
posted on January 11, 2006 05:28:34 AM new
"Best health care plan available. 9.00 bucks a week. You just have to work for a good company."
Colin-thats outstanding.Being that I used to work for the state of New York I get my health insurance from them.Its 176.00 a month,but it covers everything except vision care and dental-and thats cheap to what you have to pay if you went to a health insurance company.
I was sick as a dog with a 104 temp last July.I had to go to the emegency room at Vassar Hosptial in Poughkeepsie.I was there over 8 hours while they were doing xrays and blood tests.The bill came about a month later for $3200.00.All I ended up paying was $50.00-I love that health insurance.
posted on January 11, 2006 05:43:29 AM new
Bush says its all about "MATCHING A WILLING WORKER WITH A WILLING EMPLOYER" at $5.15 per hour.
Just who is Bush and his gang of thieves trying to B.S. anyway. After 5 years with a wide open border he is making token moves (talk mostly) to tighten up our borders.
LIAR_K knows that people are sick and tired of this government allowing cheap labor to take American jobs. She is trying the new G.O.P. TACTIC, have Bush give a speech daily about America's problems, ACT LIKE HE CARES AND WILL DO SOMETHING. Then do very little about the problems hoping People will forget.
Its been the same old crap out of this BUNCH OF NEO-CON CROOKS FOR 5 YEARS NOW.
THE RICH GET RICHER AND THE MIDDLE AND WORKING GLASS PAY FOR IT.
So LIAR_K. nothing you or the bunch of CROOKS AND CONS YOU SUPPORT say works any longer. You and they have been EXPOSED.
posted on January 11, 2006 06:47:00 AM new Bush says its all about "MATCHING A WILLING WORKER WITH A WILLING EMPLOYER" at $5.15 per hour.
I'm willing to bet there are out of work AMERICANS with families who would be more than happy to take some of these jobs at $5.15 per hour. They just aren't willing to do it at $2 per hour or whatever the illegals are making these days. It's not about punishing the illegals, it's about punishing those who hire the illegals. Just like it's about taking out the drug dealers and not the users.
Cheryl
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." - Martin Luther King, Jr.
posted on January 11, 2006 07:31:37 AM new
::How about we DEMAND they start paying US wage levels there and provide a standard of living equal or better than they can receive here.::
Why is it that conservatives understand that it demanding US businesses to pay significantly higher wages is not economically feasible but think that it is a completely reasonable demand to make of foreign businesses?
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posted on January 11, 2006 08:01:34 AM new
"Why is it that conservatives understand that it demanding US businesses to pay significantly higher wages is not economically feasible but think that it is a completely reasonable demand to make of foreign businesses?"
Because their cost standard of living is lower, because it’s profitable, because they can still offer a product at an affordable price.
Should we pay everyone in the USA $20 per hour? Would that make the Country better?
No it wouldn’t, we have the opportunity to make a decent wage with our education and work ethic. Anyone of any race, creed, religion or sexual orientation can show their expertise and rise to the top of their chosen field.
How often have you noticed someone in a menial position that caught your eye because they were just too personable or intelligent for the job they were doing. Employers notice these things too,
posted on January 11, 2006 08:54:22 AM new
Colin - I'm not arguing the actions of US employers. Read the quote again and my question. My question is about the irony of statement.
I was pointing out that when "liberal" posters complain that all US workers should be paid more, there are a number of "conservative" posters (including the one that made the original comment I quoted) that argue that it is not ecnomically feasible. And yet those same people turn around and complain about the wages that froeign companies pay their employees and uggest "demanding" that they be raised.
Why is it that they seem to find it perfectly reasonable and rational to suggest demanding actions of a foreign company that they find ridiculous, unreasonable and niave to demand of a US company? Why do they feel that an employer in an economically depresed company can suddenly double or triple the wages of their employees when they don't believe that US employers could afford even a 25% increase?
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[ edited by fenix03 on Jan 11, 2006 08:57 AM ]
You need to up-date yourself. NEO-CONS like you no longer say they are the only smart Americans. That arrogance isn't working any-longer.
No longer in their words and speeches do the CON-servatives ask Americans for their support. Lately the CON-servatives have been threatening Americans non-supporters.
Some religious NEO-CONS are now saying God could make people sick,or bring disaster to where they live for not supporting what these CONS PREACH.
If that doesn't work the G.O.P. sends DUMBO BUSH out everyday to give a speech. Now in these speeches DUMBO BUSH is telling the American people they are going to be punished by other Americans if they don't agree with his Iraq War.
The truth is Americans are going to vote LIARS and CROOKS out of power for the beginning of a better America.
ITS GREAT BEING A PROGRESSIVE WHILE WATCHING THIS VERY DESPERATE CONSERVATIVE FORM OF GOVERNMENT CRUMBLE
posted on January 11, 2006 11:04:35 AM new
Ron - don't try to read my mind or put words in my mouth.
What I am saying is very simple.
It is ridiculous, hypocritical and ignorant to sit at ones computer and say that it is unreasonable to ask that all US employers make drastic increases in employee salaries or to say that the US government should force them to do so and then turn right around and believe that it is perfectly reasonable to make identical demands of foreign governments and employers.
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posted on January 11, 2006 11:19:21 AM new
Someone needs to put out there what you are actually saying; get off the damn fence. we all know you side with Mexico.
In your opinion it may seem like it, not in mine. You seem to be clueless as to the wages being paid here in the US, but you know all about the wages in Mexico?
If they were paid the same as here in the US they wouldn't have need to come here now would they.
You seem to think it is ok for a product being made more cheaply in the Mexico is shipped to the US. Wages here in the US don't need to be raised but they don't need to lowered either. But the wages in Mexico certainly need to be raised.
Why aren't you and the rest of the libs raising hell with Fox for the substandard living he is allowing the Mexican people to struggle with?
Ron
"Better to be hated for who you are than loved for who you are not."
posted on January 11, 2006 11:24:31 AM newWhy aren't you and the rest of the libs raising hell with Fox for the substandard living he is allowing the Mexican people to struggle with?
Ron
I can't speak for the other liberals on this board, but I am disgusted with the substandard living in Mexico. I'm disgusted, too, that Fox expects the US to support Mexico and it's so-called migrant workers who are here illegally. If they, Mexico, want us to support them then they should give up being a country and become a part of the US. The US shouldn't be an integral part of the Mexican economy so far as illegal migrant workers go.
Cheryl
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." - Martin Luther King, Jr.
posted on January 11, 2006 11:32:21 AM new
Ron - once again - please stop attempting to put words in my mouth. Your inability to read my mind is painfully obvious. There is no need to further demostrate that weakness.
You are so hell bent in your hatrred of another country that you are blind to even the most basic point of logic. I have not even begun to express my opinions on what should be done but why should I move on to course 102 when you are either incapable or unwilling to grasp the basics of 101.
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posted on January 11, 2006 11:52:59 AM new
Fenix hun you need to look in the mirror when you say you haven't grasp the basics, I am so far ahead you in understanding that it has you bothered, going to play the victim again?
You are an easy read, so what?
Your buddy Fox is a loser and needs to removed from office. Do I hate Mexico? hell yes, you are the one who seems blinded from all the BS Fox spouts.
President Bush and I disagree on immigration that is guaranteed.
Ron
"Better to be hated for who you are than loved for who you are not."
posted on January 11, 2006 11:57:18 AM new
[i]President Bush and I disagree on immigration that is guaranteed. [/1]
While my BF disagrees with a lot of what Bush does (and I disagree with 99.9% of it, LOL), this particular policy of his is what definitely cost him my BF's vote.
Cheryl
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." - Martin Luther King, Jr.
posted on January 11, 2006 12:42:15 PM new
Ron - No doll - I'm not "playing the victim". I'm pretty clearly stating that I think you are a hypocrit, a bigot and completely devoid of common sense. If you think that stating that is somehow the equivalent of "playing victim" then I would have to also add foolish and delusional to the mix.
See, the best part of this i that I have not said a word in this thread about this topic. I have simply pointed out your hypocricy in asserting that someothing that i not economically feasible to be demanded of a company in this country is perfectly reasonable to demand of a comapny in another.
The really interesting part is that I have not named a country in this. I have not mentioned a country or a leader but you so need to avoid others seeing what a hypocrit you are, you have chosen to assign opinions, statements and belief that to me that I have never asserted.
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posted on January 11, 2006 12:50:20 PM new
It is not hypocritcal, well maybe to someone who is clueless.
and missy I have already said I have double standards and am not afraid to admit that. Why are you?
Bigioted? You mean like you? No, I hate Mexico, not mexicans.
Oh and we all know why you can't or won't address the topic.
But then again what are fence sitters, clueless individuals.
Ron
"Better to be hated for who you are than loved for who you are not."
posted on January 11, 2006 01:07:41 PM new
Ron - I have addressed the problem with much better people than you. People that actually read what I have written, not what they want to see. You have never shown much ability to do that so I just don't see the point. I don't mind debating an isue with omeone that disagrees with me but I refuse to do it with someone that ha completely ignored the single opinion I have tried to make in this thread and instead tried to assign five that I have not made to me.
I guess it's easier to debate with someone when you can make up both the question and the answer. Have fun.
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posted on January 11, 2006 01:17:40 PM new
classic and colin -
Yes, that's an excellent rate Colin.
classic - Before my husband took an early retirement we only paid $45 every other week for FULL benefits. Everything was included and most paid at 100%. Except dental which paid 80 on reg work...50% on caps.
Once he retired we paid retired rates...same company insurance plan but only medical...none of the other benefits...and it ran us $269.00 a month [for both of us] at that time. [1999]
Slowly worked it's way up each year to just under $500.00 a month [2003]. When he died my policy alone now runs $149.00 a month. Which I think is excellent.
As many employees are aware it's not just the hourly/salary pay one gets...it's also those expensive benefits that add to that 'quality of life' for many that all should take into consideration when accepting any job.
posted on January 11, 2006 02:03:29 PM new
Linda,
Benefits have been a big negotiating of salary at a new job for a few years now. Some companies are very competitive in that area alone, but some a lacking and it shows by the employees they have.
Ron
"Better to be hated for who you are than loved for who you are not."
posted on January 11, 2006 02:51:49 PM new
Classic,
This is the best package I've ever had. This is a new job for me (I've only been here 7 months).
I screwed up my back before I got coverage here and it cost a little over $2,300. out of my pocket. So I know how it is.
I paid $124. every two weeks at the job before this, thought I was still covered for the back thing and they lowered the boom...and didn’t cover.
Ron,
A lot of companies are taking the benefits away. Most are charging more for health care. Many are paying less into pension plans. Not a good sign.
Many are just looking at the bottom line. I’m not happy about that.
Big pee,
Your truly a moron. YES NEO-CON YES
From your posts I'm guessing you to be a #*!@ sales man with mouthful of free samples. Am I right.YES NEO-CON YES
Nothing you write makes any sense.YES, NEO-CON YES, YES, YES
Fen,
I understand what you're saying and agree with most of what you say.
Okay lets all laugh at (not with) Bigpeebrain.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha YES CON YES
Amen,
Reverend Colin http://www.reverendcolin.com
posted on January 11, 2006 05:04:55 PM new
Colin-I heard a lot of companies are getting rid of their pension plans and just going with the 401K plans...bummer
posted on January 11, 2006 05:35:56 PM new
Classic,
I came back to the work force a couple years ago. My business went to sh*t after 9/11. Held out as long as I could but that was a waste of time.
I had to start all over again at 57. It sucked. Needless to say I had to take a sh*t job and make the best of it...and that’s what I did. Moved up quickly but the hours sucked and no time off. (It was an airline)
So I lucked out on this offer. This is the job people dream of, Not the highest paying I've ever had but the first job I've ever had with NO stress. NONE. Great benefits, No weekends (once in a while I’ll may have to do 6 hours in the morning.
When I started they apologized that the TV in the conference room only got 3 channels. I’m not big on TV so it’s okay. I did buy a DVD player to plug into th computer and got Netflix’s, Bring my guitar and amp everyday so life is good.
BTW classic, what did you do for the late great state of New York...and how much did it cost me?
Amen,
Reverend Colin http://www.reverendcolin.com
posted on January 11, 2006 07:38:14 PM new
Liar_K,
Poor LIAR_K everyone knows Bush and the CON-servative lawmakers have left open our borders. Now millions of illegals are in the U.S. working for peanuts.
I remember having a talk with you a long time ago about our open southern borders.
Bush said "MATCH A WILLING WORKER WITH A WILLING EMPLOYER" at $5.15 per hour.
ITS GREAT BEING A PROGRESSIVE WATCHING CON-SERVATIVE LIARS DESTROYING THEMSELVES.
posted on January 11, 2006 07:43:10 PM new
401k is the way most companies are going classic, because Pension plans are becoming to expensive to keep going. Even IBM is doing away with offering their pension plan and is going to lock it in 2008
Colin, that is why benefits are now becoming a negotiating item for new hires. Trying to get the best benefits.
Ron
"Better to be hated for who you are than loved for who you are not."
