posted on April 17, 2006 07:14:32 PM
sure fenix....typical liberals....CAN'T back up what they said. The profe SAID he read a transcript.....he can't find it either. LOL LOL LOL
How typical.
So...my statement stands....I know what I heard and no one here has disproven it. I win.
While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation:
What would a Democrat president have done at that point? Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack.
Ann Coulter
posted on April 17, 2006 07:34:27 PM
Okay, I'm trying to follow along here.
We're receiving lessons on how to post from a person who turned herself into Vendio so she could no longer post for several months.
And lindak is excused from being rude because she is unable to tolerate the views of lefties. And we are supposed to remain polite while she attacks anyone who doesn't agree with her.
posted on April 17, 2006 07:37:39 PM
This article, op-ed fits MOST perfectly in describing the anti-war left.....the anti-Iraqi war...and in general MOST liberals who rarely EVER support our military.
HE can see what they're pulling with this Rumsfeld free-for-all.....they're showing what hypocrites they really are. LOL
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The Real Story:
News Media Fall in Love with Generals
April 15, 2006 10:11 AM EST
Well, this was quite a week. Most notably, it was the week of the news media's newfound love for generals.
Suddenly, the Washington press corps is lap-dancing for these warmongering men who command troops to go into battle and kill, destroy and annihilate.
And if you believe that, then you've been snookered by the left-wing press once again.
The mainstream news media have about as much love and admiration for our military's top commanders as they have for President George W. Bush and members of his administration. Unless, of course, the generals don't much care for Bush or his Defense Secretary. And what a bonanza! They've got six retired generals to blast away at Bush through his Secretary of Defense Don Rumsfeld.
Yes, folks -- count 'em -- six retired generals, some of whom led troops in Iraq, have spoken out against Rumsfeld in recent days, accusing him of arrogance, ignoring his field commanders, and micro-management. Usually the guy who's lower on the Totem poll perceives the folks above him or her as arrogant, so that's just an opinion voiced by most disgruntled employees.
Ignoring his field commanders may be a good thing or a bad thing, so it depends on which side of the desk you're sitting.
Micro-management? Have they forgotten the old adage? "War is too important to be left to the generals." Can you believe it? The left-wingers in the press actually want generals to have autonomy during a war.
It's not about what these has-been generals are saying. It's about the fact that they are saying it against Secretary Don Rumsfeld. The media love it because Rumsfeld makes them look like the Bozos they truly are during his press conferences.
He's the alpha-man and they are the ladies and girlie-men of the press. Feminists and effeminate men have always despised real, tough men. They even have pejoratives to describe them:
Neanderthals, Dinosaurs, Rednecks, etc. So if a former general makes negative statements about someone the elite media already hate, they will jump on the story like vultures.
When the New York Times tells me General Zini said Rumsfeld should resign, my reaction is, "So what? Who cares? Is my favorite movie "Patton" on the tube?"
The nation is being divided over this war and these blowhard former military leaders have nothing helpful to contribute to the situation. Let's be clear, we are talking about six former generals. Only six. For every one of them, I'll bet the farm the news media could locate 10 who would praise Rumsfeld.
That is, if the news media really wanted to be unbiased.
I'm not saying he deserves praise, I'm merely pointing out that the media breathlessly reporting every syllable these retired men utter is worthless. It won't end the war. It won't create a viable Iraqi government. It won't help to bring our troops home. This is the epitome of arrogance: to believe one's words are powerful enough to bring about change without any further effort or action.
Actually, I have more respect for the lefties who protest and march every chance they get. At least they're actually doing something. Here's another old adage: "Talk is cheap."
Sure, General Zini's soundbites will help General Zini sell books. But that's about all. Unless if the leftist media's goal in recording those soundbites is to further undermine the war effort. What better way to undermine a war than to turn the commanders and soldiers against their leader? It worked at the beginning of the Russian Revolution when the soldiers fighting the German during World War I turned on their top commanding officers and beat them to death with their rifle butts.
Am I defending President Bush and his minions? No. Not anymore. Bush lost me when he called the Minuteman Project vigilantes. He angered me when he talked about amnesty for lawbreakers from Mexico. And I turned my back on him when he became a full-fledged big-government liberal. I am not defending President Bush.
What gets my goat is watching and listening to six windbags who said nothing when it would have counted for something; who said nothing until they retired from the military -- pension and perks secured in their wrinkled hands. Besides, anyone who knows anything about the military knows it's not the generals who win wars, it's the colonels and top non-coms who deliver victories. Unless those generals are George Patton, "Chesty" Puller, and some other great leaders. Hear that Gen. Batiste? And Patton spoke out while he was still in uniform. It got him in hotwater with Eisenhower, but he had the courage to speak his mind.
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Jim Kouri, CPP is currently fifth vice-president of the National Association of Chiefs of Police and he's a staff writer for the New Media Alliance (thenma.org). He's former chief at a New York City housing project in Washington Heights nicknamed "Crack City" by reporters covering the drug war in the 1980s. In addition, he served as director of public safety at a New Jersey university and director of security for several major organizations.* He's also served on the National Drug Task Force and trained police and security officers throughout the country. * Kouri writes for many police and security magazines including Chief of Police, Police Times, The Narc Officer and others. He's a news writer for TheConservativeVoice.Com. He's also a columnist for AmericanDaily.Com, MensNewsDaily.Com, MichNews.Com, and he's syndicated by AXcessNews.Com. * He's appeared as on-air commentator for over 100 TV and radio news and talk shows including Oprah, McLaughlin Report, CNN Headline News, MTV, Fox News, etc.* His book Assume The Position is available at Amazon.Com. Kouri's own website is located at jimkouri.us*
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And of course, like all good sheep the liberals/dem are just loving what the leftist MSM are reporting.....gives them something to be FOR. When they're NOT FOR AMERICAN succeeding...because they want THIS President to look bad/to fail. To HECK with whether American succeeds or not....they could CARE LESS ABOUT THAT.
While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation:
What would a Democrat president have done at that point? Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack.
Ann Coulter
posted on April 17, 2006 07:49:19 PM
lol all you want to Linda. As soon as I went back and looked for a transcript and saw it wasn't there, I said as much here. Are you trying to make it out that I lied about it?
The entire interview IS there however, and it's certainly a long shot from being a half hour long, as is your claim.
There'll also, eventually be a transcript, I'm sure.
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posted on April 17, 2006 08:56:13 PM
I beg your pardon Kiara. I did not turn myself into Vendio. Get your story straight before you post. There was a major reason I asked Vendio to put a lock on my user ID. I did not ask them to block me. I had to have a reason before they would do that and I gave them that. You have no idea the reason. I will not tell you as it is none of yours or anyone elses business in here. Get it...
posted on April 17, 2006 09:05:55 PM
Linda - Prof corrected himself and aknowledged that there is no transcript. And he NEVER claimed to have read one. He clearly stated that he watched the interview when it was aired.
Why do we need a transcript when we have the actual video?
There are two logical avenues that a reasonable person would take here. PONe would be to aknowledge that they completely misreprented what was said. The other would be to drop it and move on. For some reason you have taken a third avenue, one where you completely ignore the fact that we have all heard exactly what was said and how it differs from your claims. The best part though is that you then call ME a liar? Now that is just laughable.
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posted on April 17, 2006 09:21:26 PM
NO transcript to DISPROVE what I said....while so busy trying to discredit what I HEARD. lol
And again, I'll say a video normally doesn't have ALL of the segment in them. As a transcript does.
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And have you all heard about the Hama's teenager that killed himself and blew up a few Israel citizens along with him today?
I remember so vividly when helen kept defending the Iraqi children....who our BAD, TERRIBLE soldiers were killing. Repeatedly saying how terrible it was for us to 'take out' children who involved themselves in this war.
And what a terrible person I was for saying that IF these 'children' were shooting at our troops....our troops should shoot back.
Well...I hope she hears/reads about how the Hama's child murdered these Israeli's today. And we'll be seeing more children doing the same thing....just be patient.
But I expect that fenix and helen will expect NO retaliation for all these deaths. Nope the Israeli's are the bad guys....the Hamas are not evil....they only try to murder Israeli's all the time in defense. sure....
Well....after almost a year....one of THEM has done it again....and a teenager...16 years old....firm in HIS beliefs he's a hero.
These are murderers the liberals defend all the time....while blaming the Israeli's for being the aggressors.
Boy....how wrong they are/have been for a long, long time. Maybe that's why so many of them don't want the US to take action against Iran....they don't want the Hamas terrorists killed.
No...let them follow through on what they say they're going to do when they get NW.....wipe Israel off the face of the earth.
That's appears to be okay...because they support Hamas/Palistians over Israeli's. So...hey America....let Iran develop the NW....they're entitled.
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AND just for fenix...who's trying to be so TECHINICAL
the profe said, on the first page:
"Maybe you were listening to a different General being interviewed. If you were, who was it? Myers' full interview is available on video ***and transcript*** at Fox."
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While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation:
What would a Democrat president have done at that point? Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack.
Ann Coulter
posted on April 17, 2006 09:24:07 PM
Libra63, you posted:
I left this board 8 months ago for a little R & R. I did visit it regularly and was happy I couldn't post. You know that Vendio will give vacations to anyone that requests it. hint hint. I sure wish that some would take the hint and ask for a vacation. It is well worth it.
There was a major reason I asked Vendio to put a lock on my user ID. You have no idea the reason. I will not tell you as it is none of yours or anyone elses business in here. Get it...
If you reread my post you will see that I never mentioned a reason nor did I ask you for one, Libra63.
I just noticed a touch of irony that your first post after returning was so critical of many others, including referring to Bigpeepa as a slob and then telling everyone else to be civil and respectful and not call names.
BTW, welcome back..... I'm glad you are okay and I hope you enjoyed your vacation away from the RT.
posted on April 17, 2006 09:38:21 PM
Linda - you lied. Either admit it or just shut up about it already. Why keep brining up for deceit? The more you keep harping on this the more of an ass you come across as. The general says at least three different times that he has great respect for the generals, worked very closly with two of the them and does not know why they chose to say what they did.
Funny thing is, he never said that what they were saying was correct or incorrect, he simply stated, a couple different times, that it should not have been said and that the military should not question it's civilian leaders.
That's a far far cry from your version. And you know it. I'd say you are trying to hide behind the fact that there is not a reprintable transcript but when there is as video that leaves nothing to interpretation there really becomes nothing to hide behind.
Don't you realize how ridiculous you look continueing to attempt to justify your statements when we have all heard and seen the interview, in real time, ourselves? It's like a little kid with purple all over his mouth saying he didn't eat the last grape popsickle. Everyone can see the proof of the lie but he keeps insisting he's innocent.
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posted on April 17, 2006 09:43:55 PM
Oh fenix.....read what the profe said on page one.
I've said before I don't lie. And it's you and the profe who can't PROVE to us that I did.
Your choice not to believe me....but you can't prove I lied...because I didn't.
I have NO reason to lie about this.
Seven out of thousands and thousands come forward to bash Rumsfeld....and you liberals, who just like my op said....have NEVER supported their 'war mongering' LOL ....now all of a sudden you USE what they say against this administration and against Rumsfeld.
I pointed out that Gen. Myers explained WHY these generals were speaking out about Rumseld. I stand by my statement.
So UNTIL such time as you can PROVE I took what he said incorrectly .....it's settled....and over and done with by me.
While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation:
What would a Democrat president have done at that point? Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack.
Ann Coulter
posted on April 17, 2006 09:55:20 PM
And FWIW....IF fenix or the profe SAW or heard tonight's Brit Hume panel....you would have heard THEM giving the same reasons that Gen. Myer's did when he was one-on-one.
The SAME reasons these other seven would come forward.
While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation:
What would a Democrat president have done at that point? Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack.
Ann Coulter
posted on April 17, 2006 10:44:25 PM
It's just one big happy slug fest in here at the Vendio Round Table.
Welcome back, Libra63 but I have to tell you that however bad you or anyone else thinks these members are to each other here, to me they seem like wimps compared to some of the battles that i've recently read at other message board sites where they actually threaten death upon each other and they post each others IP address information for all to see and they openly mess with each others auctions.
Bebo, that took alot of guts to appologise to Libra63 in the other thread and in my book it makes you allright.....as opposed to just being half-left.
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posted on April 18, 2006 04:25:41 AM
Libra- I apologize for not welcoming you back earlier....my bad....you were missed.
Mags- I also agree with pi. And I, for one, appreciate your attempt to change the direction of this thread. I think, imo, too many here take too much too seriously.
And completely off topic.....Today is my first day as a "lady of leisure". I gave up my "factory job" so my carpal tunnel can improve. I do not need surgery, but would eventually had I stayed. My workman's comp claim was denied, BIG SURPRISE, as their MD said I didn't get it at work. Since Mark had to leave for Pittsburgh today, I was able to sleep in until 5:30! Tomorrow it will be 6:30 if the cats let me!
posted on April 18, 2006 05:30:12 AM
Now you just need some BonBons and big fuzzy slippers Twig.
Congrats on your new status. Enjoy.
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posted on April 18, 2006 06:00:44 AM
So, Twigy, you think that we take the possibility of another war too seriously?
Should we be more interested in the fact that you can sleep an extra hour or that you will soon be able to exercise your painful wrists by typing another such message?
posted on April 18, 2006 06:23:42 AM
"I believe that was one of Classic's jokes about e-mailing with no harm intended. No one here e-mails me and I don't e-mail anyone either."
oh sure Kiara,just blow me right in,why dont ya??
and you used to be my favorite leftie in here,or was it Helen...maybe Fenix?-cant remember, which one of you is the cutest?
I know it wasnt Rusty-he's an ugly old vile and vulgar liberal...who keeps insulting my pics.
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posted on April 18, 2006 06:27:40 AM
"I beg your pardon Kiara. I did not turn myself into Vendio. Get your story straight before you post. There was a major reason I asked Vendio to put a lock on my user ID."
it was probably because I kept emailing her my pic in my spandex outfit.....I dont think she was too happy about that.
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posted on April 18, 2006 06:28:47 AM
"I just noticed a touch of irony that your first post after returning was so critical of many others, including referring to Bigpeepa as a slob"
well....no arguement in this corner.
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posted on April 18, 2006 06:32:21 AM
"Welcome back, Libra63 but I have to tell you that however bad you or anyone else thinks these members are to each other here, to me they seem like wimps compared to some of the battles that i've recently read at other message board sites where they actually threaten death upon each other and they post each others IP address information for all to see and they openly mess with each others auctions. "
where the hell is this?? I cant believe I missed out on all this fun.
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posted on April 18, 2006 07:03:37 AM
"Now, this is where I make my point. Here are the responses made by the very same person you claim doesn’t call people names and addresses other posters in an adult manner…
1) “YOU carry the award for being the #1 VULGAR, VILE, poster on Vendio or AW.”
well Rusty I wouldnt call that name calling,shes just telling it like it is.I dont know why you're complaining about it.How many people in here are voted #1 in anything? Crowfart was voted the troll of the year a couple of years ago-thats quite an elite crowd-you should be honored.Ah-huh...I know what you're thinking.Now that Im at the top,how long will I last with all these other people scrambling to topple me over? Ya have to ask yourself one question...do I feel lucky?...well do ya punk?
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posted on April 18, 2006 07:09:14 AM
Thanks Pi and Twigg.
Twig, 6:30 is sleeping in!!!!!???? I got up early this morning, 8 AM, and found the early hour most unpleasant.. LOL
Sorry to hear about WC not allowing your claim..
You really seem to be in love with that Mark fellow, I can hear it in your posts..! Good for you, Twig..love hard and live long.
Helen, what's up? Are you unhappy with me lately? I know you must be because you sliced me pretty badly the other day when you likened me to linda..ouch.
Sorry if I'm not staying on topic and discussing the world in crisis with a more serious attitude, it isn't that I don't care or worry about another world war.. I do care and I do like to keep informed, it's just that I get tired of the constant back and forth, insults day in and day out.. I'm just trying in my way to lighten things up and spread a little joy.
posted on April 18, 2006 08:29:14 AM
Thanks for all the welcome backs. It's the same old place. The blue agains the red. It will never change.
Twig, is this a permanent vacation and if so enjoy it. Sometimes it is great and other times it is not. Take care of your carpal tunnel. Not a nice thing to have and I understand that sometimes surgery doesn't help it but hinders it. Take care of yourself and enjoy your time and I hope the sun shines every day for you.
"Mr. President, this job can't be fun for you anymore. There's no more money to spend--you used up all of that. You can't start another war because you used up the Army. And now, darn the luck, the rest of your term has become the Bush family nightmare: helping poor people.
Listen to your mom. The cupboard's bare, the credit cards' maxed out. No one's speaking to you: Mission accomplished.
"Now it's time to do what you've always done best: lose interest and walk away. Like you did with your military service and the oil company and the baseball team. It's time. Time to move on and try the next fantasy job. How about cowboy or space man?
"Now I know what you're saying. There're so many other things that you as President could involve yourself in. Please don't. I know, I know. There's a lot left to do. There's a war with Venezuela. Eliminating the sales tax on yachts. Turning the space program over to the church. And Social Security to Fannie Mae. Giving embryos the vote.
"But, Sir, none of that is going to happen now. Why? Because you govern like Billy Joel drives. You've performed so poorly! I'm surprised that you haven't given yourself a medal. You're a catastrophe that walks like a man. Herbert Hoover was a shitty president, but even he never conceded an entire city to rising water and snakes.
"On your watch, we've lost almost all of our allies, the surplus, four airliners, two trade centers, a piece of the Pentagon and the City of New Orleans. Maybe you're just not lucky.
I'm not saying you don't love this country. I'm just wondering how much worse it could be if you were on the other side.
"So, yes, God does speak to you. What He is saying is, 'Take a hint.'"
posted on April 18, 2006 08:41:13 AM
Kiara I do think of Bigpeepa as a slob. I know that might be a little harsh but please understand he cannot debate in a normal manner. I see his as a bully trying to drive everyone that doesn't believe in what he says.
Just because I don't agree with you I don't call you liarkiara or I don't call KD liarKD,
Bigpeepa will never understand that this is a discussion board and his word is not gospel as he would like us to believe. I also think he thinks we cannot read so he needs to come in here C&P and then post in caps as to make sure we know what he says. Also no one is 100% correct as we have learned that there seems to be one in here that think they are.
Kiara I know this is off topic and I will start another thread if you would like but I heard awhile back about houses in BC. Houses that are bought to grow Marjuana in them. The owner doesn't live there but just grows that weed. They showed some houses and every room had plants in them. I find that rather interesting. Not that I am going to grow the stuff but that someone would purchase a home and use it for that. Do you know more about it?
posted on April 18, 2006 08:44:17 AM
Come on BeBe you like Bill Maher? I think he is in love with Ann Coulter. Even if they are on different sides of the coin he seemed to have her on most of his programs.
I use to listen to him only because he was on late nite TV with nothing else to watch. I disagreed with many of his points but I did like the diversity he had with his guests.
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posted on April 18, 2006 08:52:14 AM
Yes, Libra, I love Bill!
Oh and on the topic of growing weed, my neighbor down the lane grows the stuff...how do I know? Well years ago he had ordered these humongous florescent lights and they were left by the UPS truck at my place by mistake..no kidding.. I called the guy down the lane and he came and picked them up. I asked what the heck he was going to do with all that lighting... lol.. he stuttered and smiled and mumbled something about growing plants... ha ha ha well, I've never seen any posies around his place..
posted on April 18, 2006 09:18:53 AM
KIara - did you notice that although the two individuals in the interview are the same and the date is the same, the transcript and the video are two completely different interviews?
And yet - still, there is nothing about the "personal reasons" behind each of the different generals that have spoken out against Rumsfeld.
In fact, when asked what he thought the reaosns were, he repeartedly stated "I don't know".
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posted on April 18, 2006 09:19:31 AM
Libra63,
What you don't seem understand is Linda_k has been CAUGHT AND EXPOSED many times being a LIAR. That is why I call her LIAR_K. I am calling a spade a spade nothing more nothing less.
If you want to support DUMBO BUSH and his GANG OF THIEVES fine. If you lie to cover up DUMBO'S FAILURES you will find yourself being exposed and called a LIAR along with liar_k.
"I DON'T GIVE THEM HELL I JUST TELL THEM THE TRUTH AND THEY THINK ITS HELL." HARRY TRUMAN
