posted on April 18, 2006 01:27:44 PM new
Thanks for posting the link to the transcript Kiara. Now Linda can use it to prove what she claimed early on in this thread:
a general was interviewed on Fox News last night who spoke about each of those commanders.....he told us WHY they're speaking out against him now. Each have their own personal reasons....
Yes, profe that's the same show. Post the link and I'll highlight his words.
So please do Linda. Highlight the words in the transcript where General Myers told us WHY these generals are speaking out.
My goodness, I see it's only a partial transcript. It's been edited for clarity. I sure hope they didn't take those parts out.
posted on April 18, 2006 06:37:43 PM newKiara - did you notice that although the two individuals in the interview are the same and the date is the same, the transcript and the video are two completely different interviews?
The transcript follows along pretty well word for word with the video I see, Fenix.
My goodness, I see it's only a partial transcript. It's been edited for clarity. I sure hope they didn't take those parts out.
posted on April 18, 2006 06:56:14 PM new
Libra63, I don't agree with you about Bigpeepa. To me he sounds like an honest man who has been battle-hardened and just wants the best for the ordinary working guy.
Yes, there are grow-ops in B.C. and all across Canada and the US. If you sell a house here you have to sign a disclosure form stating whether it has been used for one or not. It's a problem for landlords because quite a few houses have been destroyed when turned into grow-ops. Supposedly the electric companies will soon be able to report excessive power usage to the RCMP instead of keeping the information private.
posted on April 18, 2006 07:44:33 PM new
Kiara - that transcript does go with that video... it's just an entirely different video from the one that was the featured video a couple days ago. Different interviewer. It was the younger, better looking, but equaly adept at suggestive leading questions, guy.
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posted on April 18, 2006 08:22:18 PM new
Sorry Kiara I don't think that about Bigpeepa at all. Especially some of the things he does and says. So I guess we have to agree to disagree.
I don't care how strongly a person believes in something they don't have to carry on like he does. He is just going overboard. If you notice he starts a topic hoping that Linda will step in and find something to refute it. Then he addresses her as LiarLinda which in my estimation is uncalled for. You know we all have strong feelings about something but we can still hold our cool.
This is the first time I have seen anything like this. I supposed we do have those here but I haven't heard of them.
posted on April 18, 2006 08:25:42 PM new
Libra, did you know Bill Maher and Ann Coulter use to date each other? I saw him live and he said they're still friends. Hard to believe, eh?
posted on April 18, 2006 09:16:07 PM new
Nope, that's not the whole interview I heard. WAY too short. I did hear him state what was in that one though....and imo, he DOES point out some of what I said he did.
I think this might be a different interview.
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Gen. Richard Myers Weighs in on Rumsfeld Debate
Monday, April 17, 2006
This is a partial transcript of "Special Report With Brit Hume" from April 14, 2006, that has been edited for clarity.
JIM ANGLE, GUEST HOST: An offensive this week from several retired Army and Marine generals who were calling on Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to resign. They?ve accused him of committing too few troops to Iraq, misjudging the insurgency and refusing to listen to their views. But Rumsfeld has the full backing of President Bush. Do the critics have a point or are they just mad that Rumsfeld didn?t take their advice?
Our guest tonight has been in hundreds of meetings with Rumsfeld and other generals. Retired Air Force General Richard Myers worked closely with Rumsfeld as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and he joins us now. Good to see you sir.
GEN. RICHARD MYERS, FORMER JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF CHAIRMAN: Good to be here. Thank you.
ANGLE: What do you make of this sudden flurry of criticism about Secretary Rumsfeld. There have been a few complaints along the way, but suddenly there is an outpouring of criticism.
MYERS: Frankly I don?t understand it. And furthermore I think it?s really bad for the military. I think it?s bad for civil military relations and I think it?s potentially bad for the country because the role of the military is not to judge or criticize our civilian bosses. I mean this country is built around civilian control of the military. And I think this could undermine that if we are not careful.
ANGLE: You are afraid that this will sound like the generals are saying we know better. The civilians should shut up and let us do what we want to do.
MYERS: Yes. It?s just not the role of the military.
You know, my role as the chairman, when I was on active duty, the role of the senior military people that advise the secretary is to provide your best possible military advice, unfettered by political concerns or anything besides your best military advice and you do that and you try to do it the best you can.
ANGLE: Obviously people have different views on things there is no question about that.
MYERS: Certainly.
ANGLE: And I?m sure you?ve experienced that on many an occasion. Was there a ? in your meeting you with other generals and Secretary Rumsfeld, was there a free flow of discussion. Did people feel free to express their views?
MYERS: Absolutely. In fact, one of the things I think people misperceive Secretary Rumsfeld in at least one way and I don?t think people understand how collaborative he is when we are working tough issues and trying to come to how we feel about this.
Most of the meetings he comes to he does not have a preconceived notion of what the answer is. He is very collaborative, I think almost to a fault. I have said well, boss, there is the answer right there. Let?s just go this way and he?ll say, "General Myers, just a minute, we have to consider this, this, and this." So he has this tremendous intellectual energy that allows him to look at these problems probably in more depth than most people have the patience or the energy to do. So no, he is very collaborative and he gets a lot of advice from a lot of people and he listens to that advice.
ANGLE: You?re saying that he resists the impulse to jump to conclusions, which is the opposite of what some others are saying.
MYERS: Oh, it?s very clear. I mean when we talk about serious issues and let?s use Iraq as an example. If we are talking about a serious strategic issue on Iraq, he?s going to want to hear from, first of all, General Casey and General Abizaid, the central command commander and our senior commander in Baghdad. Before General Casey is going to make a recommendation, what he did was when I was on active duty. He said, ?Chairman, I?m not ready to talk about that yet.? Let me go out and talk to my three star over there, General Devine, when I was on active duty. Let me talk to my division commanders and we will get back to you. So, I mean, I don?t think people understand how collaborative this process has been. And sometimes it?s not just the military or the Department of Defense. Sometimes it requires the Department of State, the intelligence community, Treasury, whomever that might have a role in this business.
ANGLE: How then would you explain the comments of some of the generals including General Batiste who said that Secretary Rumsfeld is abusive, arrogant and didn?t build a strong team?
MYERS: Well, you know, I don?t know. I don?t know, I haven?t talked to General Batiste about this. I have a lot of respect for John Batiste. He was somebody I thought had great potential in the armed forces and he did lead a division and he did lead that division in Iraq. And we owe him a great deal of credit for that and for the sacrifice that he and his family made in his leadership. So I don?t know where he is coming from. I have not had a chance to talk to him. But, in terms of a team, I think from what I have seen, the team of senior military, at least when I was on active duty around Secretary Rumsfeld, the combatant commanders, the nine combatant commanders who report directly in the chain of command to the secretary to our commander in chief. The advisors off to the side, the Joint Chiefs of Staff of which the chairman is the principal military advisor, I thought we had a really strong team. Now, you know, you don?t have to like the style of your boss. I think we have all had bosses where we say well, gee, I wish he were ? had a different style. And it?s ? but that?s irrelevant. It doesn?t matter what the style is. And I certainly wouldn?t ever call Secretary Rumsfeld abusive. That?s just ludicrous.
ANGLE: He is brusque. He?s a tough taskmaster.
MYERS: He is.
ANGLE: One gets the impression he doesn?t suffer fools gladly.
MYERS: I think actually, I think he suffers, he is very patient with people that don?t have their story, their facts together. He is very patient in trying to get out of them what information they do have. He is also very loyal down the chain. You can check the record book, but at least when I was on active duty in these last four years, Secretary Rumsfeld never ever asked any commander in the field to be relieved. He has a lot of sympathy for those that are in the crucible of conflict and he knows mistakes will be made because there are a lot of things to deal with and he has been very tolerant of that.
ANGLE: Now, the people who have spoken out sound like they were crossed somewhere that they feel ? to listen to them ? feel betrayed somehow by the secretary of Defense. Did he reject their advice? Do you know of anything in particular that would prompt this?
MYERS: You know, I don?t know. I do not know. I have not talked to these individuals. Some of them have long standing, have been long-standing critics at least one of them, of the current efforts on the War on Terrorism of the administration in general and the secretary in particular. But others I just don?t know.
ANGLE: Let me ask you one other question before we go about, a little more than 30 seconds. There was talk of planning for possible action against Iran at some point down the road. Is that just prudent planning or is that something that people should be concerned about?
MYERS: I?m out of uniform now, I can?t tell you. But when I was in uniform I think what the American people would expect that when you deal with issues such as Iran and other important issues to our national ? to our security interests, that you would talk about all instruments of national power of which the military is one and so you would always have a prudent planning ongoing. That would be part what you do normally. And it shouldn?t be alarming or anything else. It?s, you know, if asked, you want ? you know, planning might tell you that you don?t have any feasible alternatives.
ANGLE: Got to go.
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Watch "Special Report With Brit Hume" weeknights at 6 p.m. EST.
posted on April 18, 2006 09:39:19 PM new
And Twig, I'm glad you're able to stay home too. Just wish it weren't because you're in pain.
Are you the poster who had twins? I can't remember if it was you or not.
But either way it's your time for you to enjoy....however you wish.
And I agree with maggie....your love for Mark has always come though loud and clear. I'm happy that you two are so happy....that's the way I wish everyone was with their spouses......
posted on April 18, 2006 09:42:41 PM new
Fenix, I only remember one video but I admit there has been a lot of turkey and chocolate since it was discussed last Saturday.
From the transcript:
ANGLE: How then would you explain the comments of some of the generals including General Batiste who said that Secretary Rumsfeld is abusive, arrogant and didn’t build a strong team?
MYERS: Well, you know, I don’t know. I don’t know, I haven’t talked to General Batiste about this.
ANGLE: Now, the people who have spoken out sound like they were crossed somewhere that they feel — to listen to them — feel betrayed somehow by the secretary of Defense. Did he reject their advice? Do you know of anything in particular that would prompt this?
MYERS: You know, I don’t know. I do not know. I have not talked to these individuals.
a general was interviewed on Fox News last night who spoke about each of those commanders.....he told us WHY they're speaking out against him now. Each have their own personal reasons....
So what are you trying to say, lindak? That Myers discussed them in one part of the interview and named the reasons why they were speaking out and then in another part of the interview he lied and said he didn't know? In that case why should we believe anything that was said by him in his so-called support of Rumsfeld?
posted on April 18, 2006 09:48:37 PM new
KD, no I didn't know that and yes it is hard to believe. How long ago was that? Now I know why she was on his program all the time. I guess it is just like Carvalle and Mary M. Opposites attract I guess. That's the way it is in our house. My husband is so stupid and I am so smart. LOL
Now I will probably start a controversy but I do like Ann Coulter. I know most in here don't but I have only seen her on the Bill Maher show and she does have some great conversations. I am not a favorite of Carvalle but if Mary gets along with him he must do something right. lol
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posted on April 18, 2006 11:28:29 PM new
Libra - I liked her on Maher too even though I don't think I agreed with anything she said. She was topical and interesting. Problem is that in recent years she seems to just be bent on retoric and inflamatory sound bites.
The best shows were when it was Bill, Ann, and Arianna Huffington. I met Huffington years ago back when she was still married and before her husband came out of the closet. She was very funny, very personable. (Husband was about as interesting as a rock)
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1 I think BUSH is a DUMBO and is hurting the middle and working class American big time.
2 I think a lot of his conservative lawmakers are CONS and crooks.
3 I think the republican party is run by greedy self-serving (BIG BUSINESS) greed.
4 I think a lot of people that call themselves Christians are phony about being Christians.
5 I will continue to call liar_k what she is, a bold faced liar.
All the above statements I believe are true. Libra63 I guess if you and the rest of the republicans don't like what I say its just tough SH*T on your part.
Two things you can bank on from me. I will continue to say all the things I believe. More important I will work to strip republicans of power starting in November 2006 and after.
"I DON'T GIVE THEM HELL I JUST TELL THEM THE TRUTH AND THEY THINK ITS HELL." HARRY TRUMAN
posted on April 19, 2006 03:33:51 AM new
"And I agree with maggie....your love for Mark has always come though loud and clear. I'm happy that you two are so happy....that's the way I wish everyone was with their spouses......
......especially our classic.....LOL"
well we've been together since oct 8,1971.Libra is right opposites do attract.Shes a democrat,Im a Republican.Shes religious I am not.Im a free spender,shes a tightwad.Shes the quiet one,Im the more out going one(bet ya couldnt guess that)
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If you dont want to hear the truth....dont ask the question.
posted on April 19, 2006 07:09:06 AM new
Believe in half of what you read and nothing what you see.
Well bigpeepa your hatred will only come back to bite you in the end. Yes I mean the behind.
You still haven't proven where Linda has Lied.
Problem is that in recent years she seems to just be bent on rhetoric and inflammatory sound bites.
Fenix I think you just described bigpeepa.
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posted on April 19, 2006 07:25:42 AM new
Classic....I hope you know I was just 'foolin' with ya
And no, I never would have known.
I'm sure one of the things that drew her to you was your wonderful sense of humor.
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Our friends used to tease me that my husband was so quiet. They teased he had to be, living with me. One even asked one time, "Do you ever let HIM talk?"....I joked only when absolutely necessary.
posted on April 19, 2006 10:06:24 AM newOur friends used to tease me that my husband was so quiet They teased he had to be, living with me One even asked one time, "Do you ever let HIM talk?"....I joked only when absolutely necessary.
what linda's a big mouth! naw that can't be right!
posted on April 19, 2006 10:30:25 AM new
Maggie, it has been determined that the rest of us should act in a civil manner here but lindak has license to be as rude and insulting as she can be. The excuse is that she is unable to tolerate the views of those who disagree with her so she can show her true nature to all.
.......... now either suck up or prepare for more insults.
posted on April 19, 2006 10:32:01 AM new
No..if you talk like you post 24/7 linda, that's called a big mouth, gas bag, big bag of hot air, or jabberjaws..help I'm talking and I just can't shut up..now that describes YOU! and I bet you are a big fat slob too since you never move from your web tv!
posted on April 19, 2006 10:36:57 AM new
again, kiara wants to get her share of attention now too.
Notice she NEVER notices who starts the crap....as maggie did just now.
You children enjoy playing in the sand box...stirring the crap is ALL you're good for. Nothing else to add to any discussion....just more of your dysfunctional personalities.
posted on April 19, 2006 10:39:57 AM new
Heck, I just checked in to see if you were showing proof of what you claimed General Myers said, lindak. But instead of backing up your claims you seem to want to divert the topic. Why is that?
posted on April 19, 2006 10:47:17 AM new
Hey, linda, I was just agreeing with what YOU said about people commenting on how much of a big mouth you were. You said it and I agreed.
You are a big mouth old hag and you crave attention on more than one board.. always flapping from morning till night.. a big fat mouth who must be ignorant or would realize how pathetic you appear to everyone..
Now get up off your big rump roast horses ass and do something productive for a change, why don't... ya big fat bore.
posted on April 19, 2006 12:47:31 PM new
::Some do and continue to show how very ignorant they are. I believe that describes YOU.::
Well, that was b*tchy.
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posted on April 19, 2006 01:19:47 PM new
LOL....so the one who repeatedly told us she NEVER gets involved in the 'pissing matches'.....does so once again.
And another sandbox player who can't see who starts what. Doesn't matter to them....who starts it. Just blame Linda for giving it back.
posted on April 19, 2006 01:35:00 PM new
What's wrong Linda - I'm not allowed to express an opinion? That was a b*tchy statement. Why should it surprise you that I would say so. It's not as if you called her ignorant in the spirit of love and friendship. You said it to be a b*tch and I simply acknowledged your success in that venture.
Far as I could see, Maggie was just playing, much as we all do when someone else makes a self deprecating statement. In fact, just like YOU did with Classic just one post before Maggies.
Let me guess, now not only are you they only one allowed to speak their mind, you are also the only one allowed to employ sarcasm in their humor.
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posted on April 26, 2006 12:22:36 PM new
April 26, 2006
Senate won’t hear from retired generals
By Rick Maze
Times staff writer
The Senate Armed Services Committee will not hold a hearing to listen to retired general officers complain about Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.
Committee chairman Sen. John Warner, R-Va., said the committee does not have time. And he doesn’t really think it is necessary.
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., had asked Warner to schedule a public hearing where retired flag and general officers could express their views about Rumsfeld and the Bush administration. Her request came after six retired general went public with criticism of Rumsfeld’s leadership style and decisions about military operations in Iraq.
Warner said in a statement issued Tuesday night that he consulted with other committee members before making the decision.
The hearing envisioned by Clinton would have required a lot of preparation and a lot of witnesses to get a balanced view, Warner said. The committee begins writing its version of the 2007 defense authorization bill next week, which will take three or four days. Senate leaders are pressing the committee to work quickly so the bill can be taken up and passed before Memorial Day.
Writing and passing the bill is “a prodigious task,” Warner said.
Warner said retired generals have free speech rights to say what they think, but the president has the right to select his own cabinet.
“As part of this debate, President Bush has, unequivocally, expressed his continuing support for Secretary Rumsfeld, and exercised his right to retain him in the cabinet,” Warner said. “As I have consistently stated, I support the President’s right to make this decision.”
In January 2001, with the inauguration of George W. Bush as president, America set on a path to...become a revolutionary nation, a radical republic. If our country continues on this path, it will cease to be great - as happened to all great powers before it, without exception.
From the Kyoto accords to the International Criminal Court, from torture and cruel and unusual treatment of prisoners to rendition of innocent civilians, from illegal domestic surveillance to lies about leaking, from energy ineptitude to denial of global warming, from cherry-picking intelligence to appointing a martinet and a tyrant to run the Defense Department, the Bush administration, in the name of fighting terrorism, has put America on the radical path to ruin.
Unprecedented interpretations of the Constitution that holds the president as commander in chief to be all-powerful and without checks and balances marks the hubris and unparalleled radicalism of this administration.
Moreover, fiscal profligacy of an order never seen before has brought America trade deficits that boggle the mind and a federal deficit that, when stripped of the gimmickry used to make it appear more tolerable, will leave every child and grandchild in this nation a debt that will weigh upon their generations like a ball and chain around every neck. Imagine owing $150,000 from the cradle. That is radical irresponsibility.
This administration has expanded government - creation of the Homeland Security Department alone puts it in the record books - and government intrusiveness. It has brought a new level of sleaze and corruption to Washington (difficult to do, to be sure). And it has done the impossible in war-waging: put in motion a conflict in Iraq that in terms of colossal incompetence, civilian and military, and unbridled arrogance portends to top the Vietnam era, a truly radical feat.
Retired Army Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, a visiting professor of government at the College of William and Mary in Virginia, was chief of staff to Secretary of State Colin L. Powell from 2002 to 2005.
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