posted on May 1, 2006 07:35:49 AM new
I am hoping INS has the good sense to be on hand and make some checks. With so many gathered together should make it easy.
posted on May 1, 2006 01:38:05 PM new
From what I can see the INS is cowering in their closets. "ME thinks" --they think it a too big of a job to get into so they are hiding out ignoring the problem.
Anyone notice any difference at the stores or anyplace else? I am from small town and no demonstrators here, but lots of Latino's around.
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Some minds are like concrete,
thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
It isn't only the right wingers that feel that way. I'm far from being a right winger and I feel they should be sent back for being here illegally. Why does everyone ignore the word "illegal"? I don't understand the need to reward someone who is here illegally.
BTW, plenty of Latinos here in Cleveland and plenty were out shopping today. That boycott will work about as well as a one day gasoline boycott. Instead of making things better for themselves, these actions will only work to pizz people off more than they already were.
posted on May 1, 2006 03:00:38 PM new
INS was nowhere to be found at the Denver rally but then neither were the "Hammer and Sickle , Islamists, and flag burners" promised by one of the Fox guests this morning. Instead it was peaceful, fun, great people and the non mariachi bands were good (I hate Mariachi).
Lots of closed businesses. Lots of businesses that closed to allow their employees to attend.
:: Only work to pizz people off more than they already were::
I think that is more true than you know. The only peole that are seeing this as negative are ones that already felt that way. People's minds are not being changed to the negative and since 70% of americans feel that immigrants currently living and working in the country should be granted some kind of amnesty it doesn't really matter if the already decided 30% become more decided.
Anyone who thinks that 12 million people are going to be deported is living in a fantasy world.
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posted on May 1, 2006 03:24:26 PM new
No human being is illegal.
"I saw streaming in front of me a sea of people, carrying for the most part huge American flags (I saw a couple of Greek flags too, which brought a smile to my face). A small boy, about 10 years old I would guess, marched with a handwritten sign that said "I am not a terrorist." A mother with a child had taped a sign reading "Deportation= Broken Families" to her baby's stroller. "We work hard for this country," read another bright orange sign. Many signs read "No Human Being Is Illegal." I'm sure there were counter-protesters, but I didn't see any from my viewpoint."
posted on May 1, 2006 03:40:31 PM new
My ancestors came into this country LEGALLY. They didn't hide in the back of a truck so they could sneak across any borders. They came here and followed the rules. They got sponsors, waited the allotted amount of time and applied for citizenship. Oh, they also learned to speak English. They didn't try to change the National Anthem to suit them either.
IMO, those that are here illegally are kicking my ancestors in the teeth.
This is one area where I guess I leave my liberalism in the dust. However, I am not the only liberal that feels this way. I can name quite a few.
posted on May 1, 2006 03:51:37 PM new
Freeway traffic in the Orange county/La area extremely light today - just like in olden times. Apparently an awful lot must drive cars. The INS apparently never makes random checks or else they would work the Home Depot parking lots occasionally.
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posted on May 1, 2006 03:54:09 PM new
Cheryl it is a slap in the face of ALL legal immigrants to this country if they are given any kind of amnesty, you know the amnesty the democrats said would be the last in 1986.
posted on May 1, 2006 03:58:59 PM new
Cheryl - when your ancestors came to this country they did not have to provide a 2" thick folder of forms and documentation or pay the equivalent of over a years salary to get a lawyer to submit their paper work.
I'm so sick of that ... our ancestors came here legally arguement. My ancestors came from Ireland, Germany and England and the only thing they had to do was get themselves here. Once they stepped foot on soil they were legal. Not quite the same situation as today.
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posted on May 1, 2006 04:07:25 PM new
Isn't it amazing that you can't get 500 legal US born basketball fans together on a city street without a dozen arrests and $10K in damages to property but 50,000 "Illegals" get together and they are peaceful and united.
I think maybe we should be looking a little more seriously at deporting those sports fans.
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posted on May 1, 2006 04:10:50 PM new
Fenix you're right that it's not the same situation as today. Perhaps we should roll back the clock on the law to a time when all anyone had to do was to just get here and they would be accepted and while were at it lets roll back any other laws that have been enacted since then also. Hell lets just do away with laws altogether and the court systems, the INS, law enforcement etc. I mean why the hell not if one law is going to be ignored then lets just do away with all laws and have ourselves one big free-for-all.
posted on May 1, 2006 04:16:40 PM new
I did not even come close to implying I believed in such a thing Pi but congrats on so eloquently demonstrating just how far over your head my point was.
Let me explain it too you like you are a Texas Longhorn QB ...
The arguement is irrelevent because it fails to take into effect the changes in the process.
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posted on May 1, 2006 04:28:52 PM new
Not your point huh? Then explain what you meant by this and bolding is mine; People's minds are not being changed to the negative and since 70% of americans feel that immigrants currently living and working in the country should be granted some kind of amnesty it doesn't really matter if the already decided 30% become more decided.
Correct me if i'm wrong but isn't demanding the granting of amnesty the same thing as snubbing your nose at the law and ignoring it just because you feel that it is wrong, even though it is the law but not acknowledging that fact.
What gets me is people like you that won't acknowledge that these people are commiting a crime by being here illegally in the first place.
posted on May 1, 2006 04:34:32 PM new
Pi - where have I ever denied that there are illegals? In order for this member of "people like you" to not aknowledge that they came here illegally, I would have to deny that these people were illegals.
You have clearly chosen to ignore everything I ever have said and instead have chosen to use arguements I have never made against me.
I guess that's one way to "win".
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posted on May 1, 2006 04:35:12 PM new
What a huge crock of crap these demonstrations are at attempting to show us the econonmic impact they have on our lives by closing businesses and not showing up for work. Why don't they show us the economic impact they would have on us by not sending huge amounts of money out of the country to be spent in a foreign land rather than here, where it was earned in the first place.
posted on May 1, 2006 04:38:05 PM new
::Correct me if i'm wrong but isn't demanding the granting of amnesty the same thing as snubbing your nose at the law and ignoring it just because you feel that it is wrong::
First of all, you have been watching Fox too much. I am not "demanding" the granting of amnesty. I said that 70% of americans support it. Maybe because they see that these people are contributing to our society and they have at least one foot in the real world and realise how completely unrealistic the concept of deporting 12 million people is.
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posted on May 1, 2006 04:43:07 PM new
Put it this way Pi - every person that recieves funds from a family member working in the US that is then able to support themselves and their family is another person or family that has no need to come to this country to try to find a means of support.
Why is it that you stand up for the rights of private industry and any other individual to spend their money as their wish but seem to think it that same right should not apply to immigrants?
They only way to truly stem the tide of immigration is to eliminate the need.
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posted on May 1, 2006 04:43:51 PM new
It's not 'unrealistic'. Monumental maybe but certainly not unrealistic.
I'd be willing to pay higher taxes for a little while so it could be done and then roll back the taxes after it's completed or use the extra taxes to beef up our borders and toughen the immigration laws from there on out.
posted on May 1, 2006 04:49:42 PM new
I have never wanted illegals to over run America only to supply industry with cheap labor. That is a neocon thing its not my thing and never has been. I have for years bitched about how DUMBO BUSH had not secured our borders.
I saw how the big meat packing houses in places like Nebraska used to pay $18.00 per hour in the 1980s for butchers. Today with the packing houses being loaded with foreign workers the pay is now about $9.00 per hour.
BTW, I don't think there was one arrest today. Just shows everyone where DUMBO BUSH and his conservative lawmaker crooks are at. DUMBO and his crooked conservative lawmakers had over 5 years to seal our borders. THEY JUST LET MILLIONS OF ILLEGALS IN TO SUPPLY CHEAP LABOR. Now just because its an election year they pretend to be against the illegals. REMEMBER THEY LOCKED STEPPED WITH BUSH FOR 5 YEARS AND VOTED FOR EVERYTHING HE WANTED. Don't let these crooks trick you again.
COME JOIN THE GREAT AMERICAN PROTEST ON NOVEMBER 7th 2006
posted on May 1, 2006 04:54:15 PM new
'Why is it that you stand up for the rights of private industry and any other individual to spend their money as their wish but seem to think it that same right should not apply to immigrants?'
Because it's these illegals that are screaming the loudest about the economic impact they are having on us and spouting off that they are a possitive contribution to our economy while at the same time they aren't acknowledging the entire economic impact that they are having on us. They should speak the ENTIRE truth about their economic impact before demanding that they be acknowledged for their contributions economically. And that makes it a huge crock of crap that they won't do that, as if they think we are all stupid and don't know what they really want from us.
posted on May 1, 2006 04:54:27 PM new
Are you also willing to deal with the increased taxes that will result from the loss of sales and income taxes of those people or lose your security benefits at least one year before anticipated now when the system goes belly up that much earlier?
See, the problem with the anti immigration forces is that they see only A to B and then turn their brains off to the ramifications beyond that point.
Now that you are willing to pay higher taxes for a short time, are you willing to pay them full time? And what about finding childcare now that you have gotten rid of so many workers in that field that many cannot retain their licensing for current capacity.
And then there are the 2-3 million low end jobs that you will have no one to fill because if you pay attention to US unemployment rates that republicans are so proud of, there are less unemployed people than there are "job stealing immigrants" than you are about to deport...
Shall we go on?
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posted on May 1, 2006 04:55:48 PM new
Pi - are they denying sending money home?
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posted on May 1, 2006 05:04:30 PM new
Maybe they aren't denying that but they darn sure don't want to talk about it or include it in their economic impact statements.
posted on May 1, 2006 05:09:09 PM new
Sure alot of businesses would probably go belly up and close their doors but then those businesses would be the ones that hired illegals at unrealistically low paying rates in the first place. So no great loss there, that would only make other law-abiding businesses stronger.
posted on May 1, 2006 05:14:51 PM new
As far as losing the child care workers, the maids, the burger flippers, landscapers, construction workers etc., we'll get by with out any illegals stealing these jobs at unrealistically low wages in the first place. As far as all the farm workers goes picking out produce in the fields I have just one thing to say about that, neccesity is the mother of invention and the farmers will figure something better out.
posted on May 1, 2006 05:15:43 PM new
I am curoious as to where you came up with this "70%" number.
Here in the NW 62% want harsh restrictions and 65% are even less sympathetic to immigrants because of the protests today.
I am very pissed INS wasn't at these rallys checking. It thier job.
