kerryann
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posted on December 6, 2000 10:55:54 AM new
PS....and any legitimate site would NEVER ask for your password from another site!!!
If you go to PayPal's web site and want PayPal logos inserted into your auction, they ask you to provide your eBay password to do so.
The problem here is that by giving your password, you are giving someone access to your money. If you have bank accounts tied to your PayPal account, the power you are giving these people is incredible.
Even though I wish it could, I don't think that PayPal can have this site shut down. The site is for members who choose to join and provide their PayPal information.
This is from their info page:
AuXpal.com is owned and operated by NoBidding, Inc. NoBidding introduced the world to NoBidding.com in March 1999.
The AuXpal concept was conceived in August 2000 by NoBidding CEO, Ed Orlando. "Our mission has always been the same - making person to person online transactions easier", explains Orlando. "The most frustrating and tiresome procedure in an online auction is the actual transfer of funds from the buyer to the seller."
X.com's PayPal system dramatically improved the way we pay each other. However, there is still a significant delay after an auction ends to allow the buyer and seller to communicate payment information. AuXpal uses breakthrough technology that seamlessly integrates PayPal into its auctions providing a smooth experience for its users. Every successful auction is paid within 30 minutes of its ending.
"Our revolutionary system will change online auctions forever", says Orlando. "AuXpal will continue to redefine online auctions on a daily basis as we remain on the cutting edge of technology."
NoBidding, Inc. has plans to be traded publicly before January 2002.
Not Kerryann on eBay
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computerboy
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posted on December 6, 2000 10:56:53 AM new
Setting the scam issue aside for a moment, it would see to me that there would be a strong case of trademark and intellectual property infringement against Paypal by the creator of the site. This new website is almost identical in appearance and likeness to Paypal and misleads users into believing they are one and the same company. The fact that they emailed potential users and represented or mislead themselves as Paypal will surely end them up in court. I stongly recommend that you avoid this website until the authorities have a chance to check them out.
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cix
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posted on December 6, 2000 11:02:05 AM new
YOU HAVE TO BE A GRADE A IDIOT TO GIVE OUT A PASSWORD THAT IS DIRECTLY LINKED TO YOUR FUNDS IN A BANK ACCOUNT OR CC.
I MEAN COME ON PEOPLE !
YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE EINSTEIN TO KNOW THAT !!!!!!!!
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packer
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posted on December 6, 2000 11:09:08 AM new
Its increased over 3,000 listings since the news broke this morning.
There are an awful lot of trusting people out there!
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edited for packer by packer!!
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Having a BAD HAIR DAY! ... 
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Zazzie
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posted on December 6, 2000 11:15:52 AM new
It's a great concept, needs a bit of work---too bad it is flawed with the password issue.
and the fraud potential with stolen credit cards may also be a big issue
[ edited by Zazzie on Dec 6, 2000 11:18 AM ]
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abacaxi
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posted on December 6, 2000 11:26:06 AM new
The ONLY way this could work is if buyer and seller BOTH gave their account password to this person's site.
NOT A GOOD IDEA! Even if the site is honest, unless the internal and external security is rock-solid, this will be a very tempting target for hackers. And I don't trust a one-horse domain hosted on Microsoft-powered servers to be secure against hackers. Way too many holes!
And the chain of domain owners is quite confusing ...
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boysmommy3
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posted on December 6, 2000 11:29:43 AM new
According to PayPal customer service - this is not a PayPal site and they are attempting to shut it down.
There is a disclaimer at the bottom of the auction site that they are not affiliated with x.com (paypal).
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outoftheblue
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posted on December 6, 2000 11:33:11 AM new
Where the heck is PayPal Damon? It seems to me this would be a topic he would be interested in..
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Empires
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posted on December 6, 2000 11:36:05 AM new
Pay Pal Damon is aware of this thread as I have had contact with him so have faith folk's...
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RB
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posted on December 6, 2000 11:48:27 AM new
NOOOOOO ... Please don't invite PayPalDemon here ... we've had enough politicking on the news since November 7th to last a lifetime 
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BlondeSense
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posted on December 6, 2000 12:18:49 PM new
Even if it's not a scam, they are soooo dumb in sooo many ways I wouldn't trust them with my password.
BTW, are they going to verify your account/CC when you place the bid? Otherwise you will still have deadbeats: buyers who will either max out their credit cards or not have enough funds in their bank account to cover purchases.
IMHO the idea of an auction site without deadbeats is a pipe dream.
[ edited by BlondeSense on Dec 6, 2000 12:23 PM ]
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paypaldamon
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posted on December 6, 2000 01:19:24 PM new
Hi,
Do not give your password to any site asking for your PayPal password. Again, please login to x.com or PayPal only.
Thank you.
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packer
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posted on December 6, 2000 01:29:39 PM new
damon,
How much damage has been done to our account if we already gave it to them.
I immediately changed my paypal password but is that going to be enough.
PLEASE ANSWER!
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POTON
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posted on December 6, 2000 01:32:03 PM new
If paypal is not related in anyway with them why your name, address, phone number, etc. appears once you try to register?
Also how can they make a transfer between seller and buyer through paypal within 30 minutes after the auction closes?
What I don't understand if this is a scam how they access to all your personal information, isn't supposed to be in the PayPal's bunker?
I still don't believe this is a scam in anyway, thanks God I'm glad I'm not so paranoid about it, otherwise I wouldn't be on the Internet.
BUT FOR A MINUTE GUYS, FORGET ABOUT SCAMS, FRAUDS, OR COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS IDEA?
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Pocono
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posted on December 6, 2000 01:39:15 PM new
uh...Thanks for the input daman ???
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POTON
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posted on December 6, 2000 01:43:53 PM new
Organization:
NoBidding, Inc.
Edward Orlando
5636 Grace Ave
Bethlehem, PA 18017 US
Phone: 610 866 9349
Email: [email protected]
Domain Name: auxpal.com
Created on..............: Wed, Oct 04, 2000
Expires on..............: Thu, Oct 04, 2001
Record last updated on..: Wed, Oct 04, 2000
Administrative Contact:
NoBidding, Inc.
Edward Orlando
5636 Grace Ave
Bethlehem, PA 18017
US
Phone: 610 866 9349
Email: [email protected]
Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
Register.Com
Domain Registrar
575 8th Avenue - 11th Floor
New York, NY 10018
US
Phone: 212-798-9200
Fax..: 212-629-9305
Email: [email protected]
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paypaldamon
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posted on December 6, 2000 01:57:53 PM new
Hi packer,
If you changed your password you will be ok. If there are any transactions out of the account, please let customer service know. All sensitive financial information (credit card and bank account numbers) are not visible when logged in.
I have to repeat...DO NOT give your password to anyone or login to any site asking for your password that is not PayPal.com.
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packer
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posted on December 6, 2000 02:03:40 PM new
damon,
WHEEW! Thank you for that very important information.
It was a concern for many of us that plunged right in without "thinking" first.
But you have to admit, its a great idea!
PayPal should consider it.
Thanks again,
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RainyBear
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posted on December 6, 2000 02:19:05 PM new
Damon, thanks for the reassurance.
Packer is right, PayPal should consider doing something like that. In light of how many people were interested in the AuXpal site before the realization dawned that it wasn't affiliated with PayPal, just imagine how many users you'd get for a legitimate PayPal-run site.
Dang, now I'm no longer verified at PayPal because I deleted my bank account info in a panic.
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zapped101
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posted on December 6, 2000 02:21:33 PM new
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Copyright © 2000 by NoBidding, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of the User Agreement and Privacy Statement.
AuXpal is not affiliated with or endorsed by x.com
Check that out
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abacaxi
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posted on December 6, 2000 02:35:11 PM new
From the site ... I was checking to see if my PayPal info would appear if I tried to register.
Registration for AuXpal is currently on hold.
Copyright © 2000 by NoBidding, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of the User Agreement and Privacy Statement.
AuXpal is not affiliated with or endorsed by x.com
Edited to add:
If anyone saved the original register page, there are several ways to accomplish getting the info with variouus JavaScripting.
[ edited by abacaxi on Dec 6, 2000 02:37 PM ]
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Empires
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posted on December 6, 2000 03:41:39 PM new
Poton- Now of course the idea is a great one! Also, thanks for the great slueth work on posting the site info. You are a top detective!
Capriole- I emailed the thread to him..hee hee!
And here's what came back!
Please use one of the following methods to contact a register.com Customer Support Representative.
Online:
http://www.register.com/create_ticket.cgi
Phone:
Billing Inquiries:
Toll free in the U.S. and Canada: (800) 899-9723
Outside the U.S. and Canada: +1 (212) 798-9216
Customer Support Inquiries:
Toll free in the U.S. and Canada: (800) 899-9724
Outside the U.S. and Canada: +1 (212) 798-9200
Thank you for choosing register.com, the first step on the web.
Customer Support
register.com, inc.
http://www.register.com
[ edited by Empires on Dec 6, 2000 04:00 PM ]
[ edited by Empires on Dec 6, 2000 04:01 PM ]
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Pocono
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posted on December 6, 2000 03:45:46 PM new
Yea, great detective work...
Did you copy and paste from my post in this thread from early today?
LOL
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Capriole
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posted on December 6, 2000 03:47:47 PM new
lol
has anyone called the guy yet?
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Empires
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posted on December 6, 2000 04:22:37 PM new
At this point I'm more concerned about how much faith we can put into VeriSign....?
http://www.verisign.com/
[ edited by Empires on Dec 6, 2000 04:24 PM ]
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Poton
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posted on December 6, 2000 04:36:23 PM new
Hi Pocono I didn't copy it, but when I posted yours was first, I usually don't read big comment almost 75% of the time, mucho blah blah but nothing in concrete, that's probably I skiped your post because I saw a big message, but I did this before in the past with other strange sites, but yes, you posted first
Poton.
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rosiebud
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posted on December 6, 2000 04:44:26 PM new
Empires ~ VeriSign has been around for a very long time in net years anyhow  ... since 1995.
It can be costly to set up with certificates for your website (350 and up).. although, I'm not sure what all is part of being able to do so. I'm sure the site has that sort of information.
Verisign is one of the industry leaders in this sort of thing... however they're only as good as the 'site' they're issuing the certificates for.. ya know?
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digitalman
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posted on December 6, 2000 04:48:42 PM new
[ edited by digitalman on Dec 6, 2000 04:50 PM ]
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Empires
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posted on December 6, 2000 04:49:59 PM new
rosiebud... I have no love for VeriSign, as they are the tunnel that these type of intellectual properties are allowed to be stolen through. They take the money, they should be resposnible for their client representation as well. 1995 sounds like a cheap wine to me to age gracefully...
Digitalman Word up!
[ edited by Empires on Dec 6, 2000 04:51 PM ]
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rosiebud
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posted on December 6, 2000 05:06:14 PM new
Empires, the problem is that if you didn't have companies, such as Verisign.. you would not have "trust" on the net. Without that trust, ecommerce would not be able to take place.
There are so many different sites that depend on companies such as VeriSign, Thawte, etc. If you use Netscape, click on the little "lock" down in the lower left corner to open up the security profile.. and then go to "certificates" "signers" and take a look at the small number of companies that issue certificates to places on the net.
Digital Certificates, Secure Site Services, etc are just the tip of the iceburg in getting people to 'trust' enough to spend money on the web. Without that trust, none of us would be here.
Anyone could obtain the certificates, get the secure servers.. and spend a lot of money.. just to defraud the public. That is always a possibility...... but I'd feel.. in a case such as that.. if the public can easily be defrauded.. then what 'steps' did the company take to defraud ... in this case.. VeriSign?
(this post is not to be taken that this has actually happened.. it's just a theoretical supposition)
I do agree with you about the year tho
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